DPM's Taking an AOFAS fellowship after residency?

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Hello All,

I had a question if DPM's in the past have been able to take AOFAS F&A fellowships after graduating from a residency? I thought there were programs that allowed DPM's to take them with MD/DO's?

The reason why I ask, is that I emailed one of the head AOFAS members this last weekend and they replied that I the pre-reqs are:
........."is completion of medical school (MD or DO) and completion of an orthopaedic residency approved by the ACGME"
 
Hello All,

I had a question if DPM's in the past have been able to take AOFAS F&A fellowships after graduating from a residency? I thought there were programs that allowed DPM's to take them with MD/DO's?

The reason why I ask, is that I emailed one of the head AOFAS members this last weekend and they replied that I the pre-reqs are:
........."is completion of medical school (MD or DO) and completion of an orthopaedic residency approved by the ACGME"

That is program dependent. I do know a few DPM's that have done (or are currently doing) F&A fellowships. There is currently one at Ohio State.
 
Hello All,

I had a question if DPM's in the past have been able to take AOFAS F&A fellowships after graduating from a residency? I thought there were programs that allowed DPM's to take them with MD/DO's?

The reason why I ask, is that I emailed one of the head AOFAS members this last weekend and they replied that I the pre-reqs are:
........."is completion of medical school (MD or DO) and completion of an orthopaedic residency approved by the ACGME"

It is not the norm for an AOFAS approved Foot and Ankle fellowship to take DPMs. The AOFAS member that you contacted is correct in regards to the requirements for the AOFAS F&A Fellowships. As jonwill said, it is very program dependent since some programs may bend some of the rules to fill some of their open spots. Majority of the programs will NOT consider a DPM for the fellowship program. Some of the AOFAS F&A Fellowship programs that have taken DPMs include Orthopedic Foot and Ankle Center (Grant / OSU) in Columbus, OH and University of Pittsburgh Medical Center in Pittsburgh, PA and several others. It should be interesting as to what is going to happen when majority of the AOFAS F&A Fellowships participates in the NRMP Matching program in 2007-2008 application cycle. Right now 42 out of 43 fellowship programs are committed to NRMP Matching program for the 2008-2009 cycle. Hence, if any DPM is interested in any fellowship programs that previously took DPM, he/she will have to wait to see if these programs will be unmatched before he/she even have a shot at applying for the program. DPMs are NOT eligible to participate in the NRMP Matching program.
 
It is not the norm for an AOFAS approved Foot and Ankle fellowship to take DPMs. The AOFAS member that you contacted is correct in regards to the requirements for the AOFAS F&A Fellowships. As jonwill said, it is very program dependent since some programs may bend some of the rules to fill some of their open spots. Majority of the programs will NOT consider a DPM for the fellowship program. Some of the AOFAS F&A Fellowship programs that have taken DPMs include Orthopedic Foot and Ankle Center (Grant / OSU) in Columbus, OH and University of Pittsburgh Medical Center in Pittsburgh, PA and several others. It should be interesting as to what is going to happen when majority of the AOFAS F&A Fellowships participates in the NRMP Matching program in 2007-2008 application cycle. Right now 42 out of 43 fellowship programs are committed to NRMP Matching program for the 2008-2009 cycle. Hence, if any DPM is interested in any fellowship programs that previously took DPM, he/she will have to wait to see if these programs will be unmatched before he/she even have a shot at applying for the program. DPMs are NOT eligible to participate in the NRMP Matching program.

A foot and ankle fellowship not fill???? There is something new :laugh:
 
It is not the norm for an AOFAS approved Foot and Ankle fellowship to take DPMs. The AOFAS member that you contacted is correct in regards to the requirements for the AOFAS F&A Fellowships. As jonwill said, it is very program dependent since some programs may bend some of the rules to fill some of their open spots. Majority of the programs will NOT consider a DPM for the fellowship program. Some of the AOFAS F&A Fellowship programs that have taken DPMs include Orthopedic Foot and Ankle Center (Grant / OSU) in Columbus, OH and University of Pittsburgh Medical Center in Pittsburgh, PA and several others. It should be interesting as to what is going to happen when majority of the AOFAS F&A Fellowships participates in the NRMP Matching program in 2007-2008 application cycle. Right now 42 out of 43 fellowship programs are committed to NRMP Matching program for the 2008-2009 cycle. Hence, if any DPM is interested in any fellowship programs that previously took DPM, he/she will have to wait to see if these programs will be unmatched before he/she even have a shot at applying for the program. DPMs are NOT eligible to participate in the NRMP Matching program.

So are there a lot of programs that are unable to be filled this year? Also, if a DPM does get into the fellowship program are they eligible to take any extra exam afterwards? Or do they just complete the program to be looked at more equally with an Orthopod.

Does the AOFAS recognize DPM's with a PM&S-36 residency as competent F&A surgeons/ physicians?
 
So are there a lot of programs that are unable to be filled this year? Also, if a DPM does get into the fellowship program are they eligible to take any extra exam afterwards? Or do they just complete the program to be looked at more equally with an Orthopod.

Does the AOFAS recognize DPM's with a PM&S-36 residency as competent F&A surgeons/ physicians?

There were a number of programs that went unfilled this year. I am not sure exactly how many since AOFAS took that information off the website. They currently post the Foot and Ankle Fellowship positions that are still available for 2007-2008. DPMs that complete the AOFAS F&A Fellowship usually do it so that they can be hopefully looked at more equally with a Foot & Ankle Orthopod. There are no additional credentials that a DPM gets by completing an AOFAS Foot and Ankle Fellowship.

By the way, AOFAS does NOT allow any DPMs to join its organization (unless a DPM gets nominated as an Honorary Member of AOFAS). Even if a DPM completes an AOFAS Foot and Ankle Fellowship, they are not eligible to join. AOFAS does NOT recognize DPM with a PM&S-36 residency as competent Foot and Ankle Surgeon / Physician. To demonstrate this point, here is one of the position statements sponsored by AAOS (American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons) and endorsed by AOFAS.

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Surgical Care of the Lower Extremities
(Statement of the American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons, March 2000; Endorsed by American Orthopaedic Foot & Ankle Surgeons, March 2000)

Increasingly, efforts are being made by some health care providers to expand their scope of practice beyond the limits of their education, training, and experience. State laws and local practice standards frequently do not take these limits into account when establishing law and credentialing standards. In many areas of the country, practitioners with inadequate training are performing reconstructive1 surgery despite the risk of harm to patients. This is a significant issue in reconstructive surgery on the foot, ankle, and lower extremities.

Critical issues for legislators and other decision-makers include:

Defining minimum qualifications for performing musculoskeletal reconstructive surgery on the lower extremities;

Requiring a level of education and training that is commensurate with the complexity of the surgery and potential risk to the patient;

Recognizing the role and importance of the accredited, post-doctoral surgical residency, and recognizing a uniform national surgical board certification process.

The American Association of Orthopaedic Surgeons ("AAOS") believes that it is in the best interests of public safety and good patient care to establish a basic set of qualifications for any health care provider performing musculoskeletal reconstructive surgery on the foot, ankle and lower extremities.

These minimum qualifications are:

Completion of a nationally-accredited, post-doctoral surgical residency program;

and Board certification, through examinations, from a Surgical Board recognized by the American Board of Medical Specialties2 or equivalent;

and State licensure.

The AAOS believes that orthopaedic surgeons are the most qualified providers of musculoskeletal patient care. Consistent with an orthopaedic surgeon's education, training and experience, this includes operative and non-operative foot and ankle care and reconstructive surgical care for all bones, joints, muscles and tendons of the lower and upper extremities, the spine, neck, pelvis and torso.

Orthopaedic surgeons are musculoskeletal specialists who can function as cost-effective3 primary care providers for foot and ankle care in any health care delivery model. Orthopaedic surgeons are physicians who, given their education and training, can recognize and respond effectively to serious medical complications which may arise and complicate the treatment of any disorders in the foot, ankle, and lower extremities
 
There were a number of programs that went unfilled this year. I am not sure exactly how many since AOFAS took that information off the website. They currently post the Foot and Ankle Fellowship positions that are still available for 2007-2008. DPMs that complete the AOFAS F&A Fellowship usually does it so that he/she can be hopefully looked at more equally with a Foot & Ankle Orthopod. There is no additional credentials that a DPM gets by completing an AOFAS Foot and Ankle Fellowship.

By the way, AOFAS does NOT allow any DPMs to join its organization (unless a DPM gets nominated as an Honorary Member of AOFAS). Even if a DPM completes an AOFAS Foot and Ankle Fellowship, they are not eligible to join. AOFAS does NOT recognize DPM with a PM&S-36 residency as competent Foot and Ankle Surgeon / Physician. To demonstrate this point, here is one of the position statements sponsored by AAOS (American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons) and endorsed by AOFAS.

===============

Surgical Care of the Lower Extremities
(Statement of the American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons, March 2000; Endorsed by American Orthopaedic Foot & Ankle Surgeons, March 2000)

Increasingly, efforts are being made by some health care providers to expand their scope of practice beyond the limits of their education, training, and experience. State laws and local practice standards frequently do not take these limits into account when establishing law and credentialing standards. In many areas of the country, practitioners with inadequate training are performing reconstructive1 surgery despite the risk of harm to patients. This is a significant issue in reconstructive surgery on the foot, ankle, and lower extremities.

Critical issues for legislators and other decision-makers include:

Defining minimum qualifications for performing musculoskeletal reconstructive surgery on the lower extremities;

Requiring a level of education and training that is commensurate with the complexity of the surgery and potential risk to the patient;

Recognizing the role and importance of the accredited, post-doctoral surgical residency, and recognizing a uniform national surgical board certification process.

The American Association of Orthopaedic Surgeons ("AAOS") believes that it is in the best interests of public safety and good patient care to establish a basic set of qualifications for any health care provider performing musculoskeletal reconstructive surgery on the foot, ankle and lower extremities.

These minimum qualifications are:

Completion of a nationally-accredited, post-doctoral surgical residency program;

and Board certification, through examinations, from a Surgical Board recognized by the American Board of Medical Specialties2 or equivalent;

and State licensure.

The AAOS believes that orthopaedic surgeons are the most qualified providers of musculoskeletal patient care. Consistent with an orthopaedic surgeon's education, training and experience, this includes operative and non-operative foot and ankle care and reconstructive surgical care for all bones, joints, muscles and tendons of the lower and upper extremities, the spine, neck, pelvis and torso.

Orthopaedic surgeons are musculoskeletal specialists who can function as cost-effective3 primary care providers for foot and ankle care in any health care delivery model. Orthopaedic surgeons are physicians who, given their education and training, can recognize and respond effectively to serious medical complications which may arise and complicate the treatment of any disorders in the foot, ankle, and lower extremities

So i was wondering, is this AOFAS Fellowship is a big deal. I mean suppose if someone does a fellowship in regular Podiatric fellowship rather than AOFAS. Is it superior or both are equal.
 
There were a number of programs that went unfilled this year. I am not sure exactly how many since AOFAS took that information off the website. They currently post the Foot and Ankle Fellowship positions that are still available for 2007-2008. DPMs that complete the AOFAS F&A Fellowship usually do it so that they can be hopefully looked at more equally with a Foot & Ankle Orthopod. There are no additional credentials that a DPM gets by completing an AOFAS Foot and Ankle Fellowship.

By the way, AOFAS does NOT allow any DPMs to join its organization (unless a DPM gets nominated as an Honorary Member of AOFAS). Even if a DPM completes an AOFAS Foot and Ankle Fellowship, they are not eligible to join. AOFAS does NOT recognize DPM with a PM&S-36 residency as competent Foot and Ankle Surgeon / Physician. To demonstrate this point, here is one of the position statements sponsored by AAOS (American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons) and endorsed by AOFAS.

===============

Surgical Care of the Lower Extremities
(Statement of the American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons, March 2000; Endorsed by American Orthopaedic Foot & Ankle Surgeons, March 2000)

Increasingly, efforts are being made by some health care providers to expand their scope of practice beyond the limits of their education, training, and experience. State laws and local practice standards frequently do not take these limits into account when establishing law and credentialing standards. In many areas of the country, practitioners with inadequate training are performing reconstructive1 surgery despite the risk of harm to patients. This is a significant issue in reconstructive surgery on the foot, ankle, and lower extremities.

Critical issues for legislators and other decision-makers include:

Defining minimum qualifications for performing musculoskeletal reconstructive surgery on the lower extremities;

Requiring a level of education and training that is commensurate with the complexity of the surgery and potential risk to the patient;

Recognizing the role and importance of the accredited, post-doctoral surgical residency, and recognizing a uniform national surgical board certification process.

The American Association of Orthopaedic Surgeons ("AAOS") believes that it is in the best interests of public safety and good patient care to establish a basic set of qualifications for any health care provider performing musculoskeletal reconstructive surgery on the foot, ankle and lower extremities.

These minimum qualifications are:

Completion of a nationally-accredited, post-doctoral surgical residency program;

and Board certification, through examinations, from a Surgical Board recognized by the American Board of Medical Specialties2 or equivalent;

and State licensure.

The AAOS believes that orthopaedic surgeons are the most qualified providers of musculoskeletal patient care. Consistent with an orthopaedic surgeon's education, training and experience, this includes operative and non-operative foot and ankle care and reconstructive surgical care for all bones, joints, muscles and tendons of the lower and upper extremities, the spine, neck, pelvis and torso.

Orthopaedic surgeons are musculoskeletal specialists who can function as cost-effective3 primary care providers for foot and ankle care in any health care delivery model. Orthopaedic surgeons are physicians who, given their education and training, can recognize and respond effectively to serious medical complications which may arise and complicate the treatment of any disorders in the foot, ankle, and lower extremities

WOW!

EDIT..... Do you see this impacting Podiatry in the future in any way?

Personally I don't believe that this will impact our profession, but it does suck that there are ignorant people out there.

I really appretiate your time in presenting this info to me. I have questioned this in the past but didn't really know exactly what the thoughts of the AOFAS were.

Again, thank you for your help 👍

Luke.
 
Critical issues for legislators and other decision-makers include:

Defining minimum qualifications for performing musculoskeletal reconstructive surgery on the lower extremities;

Requiring a level of education and training that is commensurate with the complexity of the surgery and potential risk to the patient;

Recognizing the role and importance of the accredited, post-doctoral surgical residency, and recognizing a uniform national surgical board certification process.

The American Association of Orthopaedic Surgeons ("AAOS") believes that it is in the best interests of public safety and good patient care to establish a basic set of qualifications for any health care provider performing musculoskeletal reconstructive surgery on the foot, ankle and lower extremities.

These minimum qualifications are:

Completion of a nationally-accredited, post-doctoral surgical residency program;

and Board certification, through examinations, from a Surgical Board recognized by the American Board of Medical Specialties2 or equivalent;

and State licensure.


It is interesting the wording that is used here.

PM&S 36 and 24 are nationally accredited residencies - by CPME and COTH.

And with the national board certification are the orthopods saying that they want the general surgeons, OBGYNs, Vascular surgeons, cardiac surgeons and so on - to take the same exam?

I think if a profession is to put out a disclaimer like that they should be very careful of their word choices. Especially when the message is intended for the lay legislator not the medical professional.

Legislators do not understand the medical educational process, and neither for the most part to our patients.
 
And even though iam not a podiatry student but coming from a foreign country i can say one thing. In America, MD doctors need to learn to live with reality and tolerance. America (ofcourse canada also) is the only country where we have professions like DO, CRNA, PA, DC, DPT, NP,OD with a strong scope of practice and more rights. These professions in someway overlap with some MD specialities. If you leave the north american continent and go anywhere else, you wont find these professions in existance as they are in USA. they may be there but they are very very limited and basic.

If an Orthopod from India or England expresses anguish or comes up with bizzare ideas of banning some profession or says we are the best. I can understand their reasoning Because they are the only profession in that country who practice medicine in that speciality. But American orthopod board saying they are the best or trying to limit scope of podiatric practice is ridiculous. because they are not the only people in USA who do orthopedic surgery. We DPMs also do some orthopedic surgery. and our Chiropractor friends also have a cute little board called "The American Board of Chiropractic Orthopedics (ABCO) , they dont do surgery though". So its not like India or some european country where an orthopod gets up in morning and proclaim "We are the best" bcoz they are the only profession in that country with that much amount of training. In USA they cant say like that. If i read the forum correctly. I see that we do more f & a surgeries than an orthopod during our residency. So they cant say they are the best.

In USA we have lobby power. Whose lobby is stronger, their profession is on high. So i think US MDs should learn to coexist in harmony with other professions like DO, DPM, OD, PA, NP, DC, CRNA. These are recognized professions and no one is better than the other. They all are equal. And most important they are recognized profession by US govt. I recently heard that DCs in Oregon or some state can also deliver babies, and ODs are doing laser surgeries in some states and this is not the end, every day new new powers are being granted to these professions. So i think MDs should now accept the reality and become friends rather than being on offensive side, its not gonna help them. These professions are here to stay no matter what happens. All it matters is how strong ur lobby is and what you can get out from the legislators.
 
we gotta take the power back!
 
Hello All,

I had a question if DPM's in the past have been able to take AOFAS F&A fellowships after graduating from a residency? I thought there were programs that allowed DPM's to take them with MD/DO's?

The reason why I ask, is that I emailed one of the head AOFAS members this last weekend and they replied that I the pre-reqs are:
........."is completion of medical school (MD or DO) and completion of an orthopaedic residency approved by the ACGME"

doclm,

i know a few pods in my home state that have done F&A fellowships. talk to me in class about it and i'll let you know who they are if you want to contact them.
 
doclm,

i know a few pods in my home state that have done F&A fellowships. talk to me in class about it and i'll let you know who they are if you want to contact them.

Thanks.
 
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