Dreams about explaining osteopathic medicine

[Adapt]

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In two different instances, I have dreamed about explaining what DOs are to people, or just asking them if they knew what they do.

In the first dream, I was sitting at a table at some kind of restaurant with my parents and relatives. For some reason, I was talking about how I was going to go to medical school, and an osteopathic school in particular. All of them had no clue what it was so I proceeded to tell them the difference between them and MDs, and also who they were. Everyone's response was kind of like an "oh, interesting" type.

In the second dream, I bumped into this guy that I knew from elementary school (Isn't it strange how the weirdest people are in your dreams). Anyway, in the dream he got into this top MD school that for some reason I really wanted to go to (I would like to add that in real life I don't even think he's a premed). I asked him what his MCAT score was and he said he got a 38. Then I thought damn he deserved it, and I told him I got a 29.

Then I told him I was going to an osteopathic school and asked him if he knew what it was. He said he did and he was actually going to take an OMM class so he could learn manipulation and still be an MD. Then I thought "Wow, that's so cool." After that, he left to his house.

I don't know why I'm having these dreams. Does anyone think it's strange or has anyone had similar dreams. Two dreams dealing with the same topic is kind of weird. What does it mean?

 

[breski]

umm, so I asked this on a different thread, but is it possible to learn OMM as an MD, or do DO's have a corner on the market. I simply can't afford to go to a DO school when my state school is so cheap, but I definitely feel more inclined towards the DO approach to treatment and diagnosis. Advice?

 

[osteo emt]

It's pretty much the same deal as shaolin monks and their kung fu. They rarely let outsiders in to learn their ancient secrets. However u could go to the A.T. Still osteo monastery and and meditate, perhaps then.

just kidding......... i believe their is a course out there from the aao, check this out.........http://www.academyofosteopathy.org/continuinged.cfm

 

[Adapt]

Yes you can learn OMM as an MD. Anyways, back to my thread. Anyone else have dreams about it or know of what it could mean?

 

[Chrisobean]

it means you are nuts... sorry to break it to you...

 

[Adapt]

Originally posted by Chrisobean
it means you are nuts... sorry to break it to you...

I don't think I'm at that point yet. Maybe after med school but not before.

 

[Chrisobean]

well i had dreams of helicopter crashes after watching that ER repeat last night... --> NUTS

 

[Adapt]

Originally posted by Chrisobean


well i had dreams of helicopter crashes after watching that ER repeat last night... --> NUTS

Yea maybe it's just on my mind so I dreamt about it.

 

[kdances]

Slickness,

I also got a 29 on the MCAT?but back to your question. I have had similar dreams and experiences since deciding to go DO and getting accepted. I think it had to do with my confidence being shaken by people?s ignorance. But I?m not a therapist. I went to a UC and was part of a premedical sorority. The girls seemed more excited for my peers that got accepted to MD schools. I have to admit I my feelings were hurt and I was pissed?..I mean I worked f-ing hard too!

You got into some good MD school (well at least I?ve heard they are good) and from your posts you are knowledgeable about the osteopathic profession, bias and advantages. I have dreams that are unexplainable. Medical school is a bit scary so it might be anxiety coupled with frustration about your choice to go DO. But from what I?ve read you seem pretty confident. I?m assuming you have already considering going the MD route and taking OMM.??

 

[Adapt]

Originally posted by kdances
Slickness,

I also got a 29 on the MCAT?but back to your question. I have had similar dreams and experiences since deciding to go DO and getting accepted. I think it had to do with my confidence being shaken by people?s ignorance. But I?m not a therapist. I went to a UC and was part of a premedical sorority. The girls seemed more excited for my peers that got accepted to MD schools. I have to admit I my feelings were hurt and I was pissed?..I mean I worked f-ing hard too!

You got into some good MD school (well at least I?ve heard they are good) and from your posts you are knowledgeable about the osteopathic profession, bias and advantages. I have dreams that are unexplainable. Medical school is a bit scary so it might be anxiety coupled with frustration about your choice to go DO. But from what I?ve read you seem pretty confident. I?m assuming you have already considering going the MD route and taking OMM.??

Yea I know what you mean. People seem more in awe when you say you were accepted to an MD school than a DO school. Probably because they don't know what DO school is.

You're probably right about the frustation and choice I'm going to make. To be honest, I don't know too much about OMM and don't know if I will use it or not. OMM is not even a big issue for me and if I went the MD route I wouldn't learn it.

I think the major reason why I'm choosing COMP is location. It just so happens it's a DO school. At times I question whether I am making the right choice of choosing DO over MD just because I want to feel comfortable being close to my friends and family. This anxiety and doubt may be manifesting itself in my dreams.

This may be also the reason why I post so much pro-DO stuff. It's almost as if I'm trying to prove to myself that I am making the right choice and not making a mistake. The sad thing is only time will tell whether I will regret my choice.

Ok enough psychoanalysis on me.

 

[Chrisobean]

i've had dreams about going to med school and being a resident, i cant remember specifics though, i just remember being in a hospital wearing a white coat and carrying a chart...
its just anxiety/excitement. although its funny how vivid yours seem to be.. i hardly ever remember my dreams, i am dead to the world when i sleep.
i had a panic attack the week before my interview, my first one, and it was friday the 13th. and it came after my boss yelled at everyone else but was super nice to me.

the mind is a strange beast.

but i really dont think you're nuts, honest

 

[skypilot]

Originally posted by breski
umm, so I asked this on a different thread, but is it possible to learn OMM as an MD, or do DO's have a corner on the market. I simply can't afford to go to a DO school when my state school is so cheap, but I definitely feel more inclined towards the DO approach to treatment and diagnosis. Advice?

Michigan State has a course in OMM for MDs.

 

[Thousandth]

Slick,

This is very interesting, you are SOOO pro COMP in the large majority of your posts. If the largest part of that is just because it is in SoCal, I think you are mistaken in your choice. If you are having so much anxiety about being a DO and having to explain yourself all the time, don't be one.
If location is the only thing from letting you accept an MD program that you would choose in a heart beat if it was in SoCal then I think you should choose it. You will only be on the east coast for 4 years. Also it is a great way to experiance a new area in which you don't HAVE to live for the rest of your life. It might do you some good to be exposed to a different lifestyle, gives you a better appreciation on people.
my 2 cents

 

[Adapt]

Originally posted by Thousandth
Slick,

This is very interesting, you are SOOO pro COMP in the large majority of your posts. If the largest part of that is just because it is in SoCal, I think you are mistaken in your choice. If you are having so much anxiety about being a DO and having to explain yourself all the time, don't be one.
If location is the only thing from letting you accept an MD program that you would choose in a heart beat if it was in SoCal then I think you should choose it. You will only be on the east coast for 4 years. Also it is a great way to experiance a new area in which you don't HAVE to live for the rest of your life. It might do you some good to be exposed to a different lifestyle, gives you a better appreciation on people.
my 2 cents

While it is true, location is a big reason, I still think COMP is a great school. I really don't see much of a difference between MD and DO. I really don't know the reason for my dreams and I can only speculate at the real reason for it. I have already thought about it a lot and still believe COMP would be the right choice for me over Drexel and Temple after looking at all the factors. Thanks for the advice though.

 

[DreamChaser007]

Originally posted by Slickness
Yes you can learn OMM as an MD. Anyways, back to my thread. Anyone else have dreams about it or know of what it could mean?

u r right being a recurrent dream it does mean something bothering u, or imp.

how do u feel about your choice of attending a DO school vs MD school?

i have been dreaming of being rejected from schools for the last week or so.i don't have any acceptance in hand so that explains the anxiety dream that i am having.

 

[Adapt]

Originally posted by DreamChaser007
u r right being a recurrent dream it does mean something bothering u, or imp.

how do u feel about your choice of attending a DO school vs MD school?

i have been dreaming of being rejected from schools for the last week or so.i don't have any acceptance in hand so that explains the anxiety dream that i am having.

How convenient that your name is dreamchaser.

I feel fine choosing DO over MD. I have come to the conclusion that my dreams have to do with the anxiety of having to explain what DO is. Also, about how everyone I tell does not know what DO is.

I think this is different from thinking MD is better than DO or vice versa.

 

[ny skindoc]

I'm not a shrink but you have not resolved the conflict you have about passing up an MD degree to attend a local DO school, it is not about explaining anything. I had similar dreams when I had to decide between a state school and a more prestigious more expensive private school.I picked the state school but it it took a while to become totally at peace with the choice.If location is critical to you (which it seems to be) then forget about trying to justify it to others.You know why you are choosing it and that should be sufficient.

 

[Adapt]

Originally posted by ny skindoc
I'm not a shrink but you have not resolved the conflict you have about passing up an MD degree to attend a local DO school, it is not about explaining anything. I had similar dreams when I had to decide between a state school and a more prestigious more expensive private school.I picked the state school but it it took a while to become totally at peace with the choice.If location is critical to you (which it seems to be) then forget about trying to justify it to others.You know why you are choosing it and that should be sufficient.

Good point.

 

[DreamChaser007]

like skindoc said, it's not about having to explain and that is why i asked u about how YOU feel about attending a Do vs MD school. It is more about u 'being at peace with ur choice'.

on the other hand it does reflect a critical mind, still weighing the option, not so much like doubting what u chose but more like being open and critical about ur choice.(compare that to passively accepting decisions or not being open to discussion about the decisions u make...and once again not so much as discussion with others but with urself).

once again it has nothing to do with having to explain Do stuff to others. infact, people in dreams usually signify aspects about the dreamers own personality....yes even ppl u usually don't see everyday (like the guy from elementary school)..and like anyone else this is just my guess..i'm no dream doctor!

 

[misconception?]

you know, your dreams are mostly a response to what's going on in your day to day activities. I have read a lot of your posts and you do "explain" osteopathic philosophy to people a lot. It is only natural that you would dream about it.

On a different front, if I were you, taking in to account a lot of the views you have written on SDN, I would go the M.D. route. You seem not to value the distinctiveness of the osteopathic profession (you have written many threads in which you claim MDs and DOs should merge or that DOs should change their degrees to MDs or MDOs). The distinctiveness of the profession is the only thing that keeps it alive. If you do not value the differences at all, then why would you want to be a representative of the philosophy?

I know you're gonna write a huge response to this....

 

[Adapt]

Originally posted by misconception?
you know, your dreams are mostly a response to what's going on in your day to day activities. I have read a lot of your posts and you do "explain" osteopathic philosophy to people a lot. It is only natural that you would dream about it.

On a different front, if I were you, taking in to account a lot of the views you have written on SDN, I would go the M.D. route. You seem not to value the distinctiveness of the osteopathic profession (you have written many threads in which you claim MDs and DOs should merge or that DOs should change their degrees to MDs or MDOs). The distinctiveness of the profession is the only thing that keeps it alive. If you do not value the differences at all, then why would you want to be a representative of the philosophy?

I know you're gonna write a huge response to this....

I will try not to write that long but will still address some of your points.

First, I really don't see the "distinctiveness" of the osteopathic profession. Many DOs have entered into allopathic institutions teaching and so forth. There is no real difference in practice between DOs and MDs.

Thus, how can I value something that is non-existent? Would you say that these DOs who head MD programs do not value the DO philosophy? On paper, the philosophies are different but in practice they are the same.

Having said that, I never said DOs should change their name to MDO. I did say that we should either keep it at DO or change it to MD. After reading what happened in California, I say we should keep it at DO.

To conclude, since I see it as no difference at all, it wouldn't really matter which route I take, DO or MD. This is why I would go to a DO school over an MD school, because the DO school is closer to me and location is a priority.

I believe many DOs and future DOs have my point of view and I think it is wrong to say that they should not go or have gone the DO route because of their views.

 

[(nicedream)]

Originally posted by Slickness
To conclude, since I see it as no difference at all, it wouldn't really matter which route I take, DO or MD. This is why I would go to a DO school over an MD school, because the DO school is closer to me and location is a priority.

I believe many DOs and future DOs have my point of view and I think it is wrong to say that they should not go or have gone the DO route because of their views.

I agree with this. DO schools should be regarded exactly the same as MD schools - as such, the decision to attend one rather than an MD school can be based solely on things such as location, curriculum type, rotation sites etc. The same things considered when choosing an MD school out of a pool of other MD schools. Osteopathic/Allopathic need not enter the decision.

 

[Adapt]

Last night I had another dream. I dreamt I was in class at COMP and I was looking around at all my classmates. All these people that I knew from high school, elementary school, and college were there. It was really weird.

 

[RalphMacchio]

No one cares and you talk about yourself too much

 

[kpax18]

Originally posted by Slickness
Last night I had another dream. I dreamt I was in class at COMP and I was looking around at all my classmates. All these people that I knew from high school, elementary school, and college were there. It was really weird.

haha, you might actually see someone from your college since there are quite a number of ppl from local universities.

 

[Adapt]

Originally posted by kpax18
haha, you might actually see someone from your college since there are quite a number of ppl from local universities.

Maybe. That would be cool.

Nice Ralph. You only have 10 posts and you chose to waste one of those posts talking trash.

 

[RalphMacchio]

I bow down to you, your royal dorkness... the most mighty and nerdly of all nerds who has nothing better to do than to search previous my posts... *cough*LOSER*cough* And your logic with respect to me being a TUCOMer isn't quite linear, in addition to the fact that it's not just TUCOM people that think you are a tool...

and I am willing to venture that my 10 posts have been more contributory than, lets say, a thread discussing my dreams or a signature proclaiming which schools I have interviewed or declined interviews at...

 

[Adapt]

Originally posted by RalphMacchio
I bow down to you, your royal dorkness... the most mighty and nerdly of all nerds who has nothing better to do than to search previous my posts... *cough*LOSER*cough* And your logic with respect to me being a TUCOMer isn't quite linear, in addition to the fact that it's not just TUCOM people that think you are a tool...

and I am willing to venture that my 10 posts have been more contributory than, lets say, a thread discussing my dreams or a signature proclaiming which schools I have interviewed or declined interviews at...

I'm not even going to address you insulting me because that says it all about your character. I did nothing to you so I really don't know where all that is coming from.

In addition, your posts are just jokes and talking about the karate kid. I wouldn't call that too contributory. I think anyone on this site knows that in addition to what you mentioned, I try to help others when I can.

You don't even come on SDN that much so you don't even know me or see what kind of posts I make. I think you should go back into the shadows from wence you came.

 

[cooldreams]

dood... im wrestling with a lot of decisions in my life right now too.

its tough.

quit worrying about outside influences.... you know where you are supposed to be going, what you are supposed to be doing... just do it. sometimes the hardest thing to do is also the easiest.

btw, i am not at all saying to go DO or MD, or even be a doc... u already know where you are going.........................

gl.

 

[Adapt]

Originally posted by cooldreams
dood... im wrestling with a lot of decisions in my life right now too.

its tough.

quit worrying about outside influences.... you know where you are supposed to be going, what you are supposed to be doing... just do it. sometimes the hardest thing to do is also the easiest.

btw, i am not at all saying to go DO or MD, or even be a doc... u already know where you are going.........................

gl.

Yep. I should just do what I got to do.

 

[brewdo]

Hey Ralph, it makes sense that you claim to be an actor...I wouldn't want to be you either.

 

[RalphMacchio]

Originally posted by Slickness
I'm not even going to address you insulting me because that says it all about your character. I did nothing to you so I really don't know where all that is coming from.

In addition, your posts are just jokes and talking about the karate kid. I wouldn't call that too contributory. I think anyone on this site knows that in addition to what you mentioned, I try to help others when I can.

You don't even come on SDN that much so you don't even know me or see what kind of posts I make. I think you should go back into the shadows from wence you came.

Don't you love it when someone says, "I am not even going to address this subject," but then goes on to crank out a couple more paragraphs on the subject that they said they weren't going to address??? And just because you haven't posted directly to me doesnt mean I can be effected or upset by your posts...

I didn't say that I was a contributer to the body of knowledge that is SDN... I said that I was more contributory than you... implicit in that is that your posts aren't particularly helpful so much as they are a chance for you to hear yourself talk, a fact that you acknowledge yourself (when you use the clause "in addition to what you mentioned")...

And I am not trying to insult you... I am just making factual observations... no one really cares about your dreams and you talk about yourself too much and your logic isn't quite linear and you misspelled the word "whence". The fact that you take offense to my observations lends me to believe that you understand and acknowledge my observations and may or may not want to do something about it...

so I now end my rant and look forward to either slickness's response that starts with "i am not even going to respond to your post, but if I did, I would say..." or an update on his latest anxious dream about explaining osteopathy...

p.s. How do you know how much I am on SDN and/or how many of your posts I've read?? Just becuase I don't make statements like, "My school is the best because it is closest to my parent's house" doesn't mean I don't keep up with SDN...

 

[Adapt]

Originally posted by RalphMacchio
And I am not trying to insult you... I am just making factual observations.

I would call this insulting me.

Originally posted by RalphMacchio
I bow down to you, your royal dorkness... the most mighty and nerdly of all nerds who has nothing better to do than to search previous my posts... *cough*LOSER*cough*[/IMG]

How do you expect me to respond to that immaturity. As I said before, I do often help others and do think my posting has been more "contributory," as you put it, than yours.

As far as my thread making you upset, I'm not sure how my dreams upset you. If it gets you that angry feel free to not read them.

 

[Adapt]

Originally posted by brewdo
Hey Ralph, it makes sense that you claim to be an actor...I wouldn't want to be you either.

I agree.

 

[cooldreams]

heheh... what offense has ralph committed that you would want to proceed in bickering with him?? lololool

 

[Adapt]

Originally posted by cooldreams
heheh... what offense has ralph committed that you would want to proceed in bickering with him?? lololool

Nothing, besides the fact that he called me a dork, a nerd and a loser.

 

[cooldreams]

so when a random person who is different than you in some random way says that their random difference is the only right base point and any difference is bad/wrong, irregardless of the ability to change that random difference, then you are gonna take up in this flamers pursuit to frustrate you and bicker as well?

hmmm

also... maybe you are a dork, and i know many ppl who would be proud to be called a nerd, and maybe at some things you would want to lose....

...........................................

 

[Adapt]

Originally posted by cooldreams
so when a random person who is different than you in some random way says that their random difference is the only right base point and any difference is bad/wrong, irregardless of the ability to change that random difference, then you are gonna take up in this flamers pursuit to frustrate you and bicker as well?

hmmm

also... maybe you are a dork, and i know many ppl who would be proud to be called a nerd, and maybe at some things you would want to lose....

...........................................

I'm sorry cooldreams but I don't quite understand you. Look if someone insults you, do you just stand by and let it go?

I wasn't insulting him because of his different opinion. He insulted me first. And no I don't take being called a nerd, loser, or dork as a compliment particularly if he meant it as an insult.

 

[cooldreams]

well... basically from my life experiences... yea.. u r most wrong for being so upset for being minorly insulted... i have been through much worse, and others have been through much worse than myself.

does that answer the ?

 

[Adapt]

Originally posted by cooldreams
well... basically from my life experiences... yea.. u r most wrong for being so upset for being minorly insulted... i have been through much worse, and others have been through much worse than myself.

does that answer the ?

Don't worry cool. I'm not taking Ralph seriously. I'm saddened that you are taking the opposing side though.

Anyways, I will no longer reply to this thread since it has diverged from the main topic.

 

[cooldreams]

i never took his side, or even urs for that matter, i just consider you to be above that low level argueing so i bugged ya about it... nothing personal... sorry for buggin ya though... :/

 

[RalphMacchio]

Originally posted by Slickness
Don't worry cool. I'm not taking Ralph seriously. I'm saddened that you are taking the opposing side though.

Anyways, I will no longer reply to this thread since it has diverged from the main topic.

Actually, you have taken me very seriously, evidenced by your numerous responses and your sadness because you thought someone wasn't on your side... once again your logic is skewed... saying that you haven't taken me seriously is like saying you are happy to be going to DO school, yet have dreams about the anxiety you have from having to explain your degree...

And I never said that this specific thread made me upset (eventhough it did because it is a perfect example of how you like to hear yourself talk)...

I take great pride that I am responsible for the silence of slickness, although I seriously doubt that we have heard the last of his anxious nightmares, or the schools he has been accepted to, or the fact that Western is so great since it is so close to his mom's house...

 

[cooldreams]

dood give it a rest... your obnoxious.....

 

[HoudyK]

So, I have been having dreams lately of missing every spanish exam in medical school. Everytime I show up to the test, it's in an anatomy lab and my spanish teacher is there and she's always like, "the test was yesterday", "You fail". So, I proceed to fail out of medical school because I missed my spanish test. WEIRD? yes. I can't explain, considering I haven't had spanish since high school. I think i'm just anxious to get to school, yet I have no clue why spanish class is involved. And RalphMacchio, i pray that you are a girl, but by your tone you sound like a guy, so i'm thinking you have some severe homosexual tendencies towards Mr. Macchio.

 

[RalphMacchio]

LIVE OR DIE, MAN!!! LIVE OR DIE!!!.... HONK...

 

[cooldreams]

you didnt do the quote right...

the bad guy says die

then the good guy says wrong answer

and then honk...

i realize you contained all of that in the "..." you typed, but still, you miss some of the moment by leaving out those few words...

somewhat like leaving out dirty harry's description of the most powerful revolver in the world as he tries to bluff the bad guy into giving up because he had no bullets..

"BANG BANG!!!" .... "So do you feel lucky, punk?? Well?? Do ya ??"

 

[calcrew14]

Originally posted by Slickness In two different instances, I have dreamed about explaining what DOs are to people, or just asking them if they knew what they do...... Two dreams dealing with the same topic is kind of weird. What does it mean?

Believe it or not? I was scheduled to be there in all of your dreams. Too bad you had to wake up too soon every time......

In the first dream, I was supposed to be there making a comment that, as long as the spot that needed some vigorous scratching was unreachable, no one would be able to describe osteopathy 2004 with precision. Besides the only one certainty in the admirable pride of the profession, everything else seemed so confusing. For example, even though a lot of members believed that (too) many flammable and dislocated allopathic cripples somehow limped and lost their ways into COMs, no one made any attempt to take appropriate action? Perhaps, the AOA should have made it a mandate to matriculate only those who had better chance to develop into authentic osteopath. Any aliens who happened to sneak through the border undetected should be deported immediately. Allopathy in disguise, or its counterpart should not be allowed to continued, should it?..... Man, I am glad that you had the second dream for me to move on to before I would get into trouble!

You probably didn't know that you have missed the greatest mother of them all major medical breakthroughs. History was supposed to be in the making in your second dream. The future had been programmed that by the year of 2009, the demand for OMM residency by MDs would be so tigh that the mandatory prerequisite DO degree was annulled. Any MD would be allowed to apply for osteopathic residency training as is or as was, what so ever. The icing on that cake would be the mother of all coincidences that happened exactly in that same year of 2009, while the last spot in osteopathic neurosurgery residency in this world was taken away from me by a rookie MD from John Hopkins, you became the first DO accepted into the family practice residency program at Harvard.......The rest of the story is available in any "to each his/her own" crystal ball.

As far as the third dream goes, it doesn't matter what medical school you would choose to attend, your X mates from all stages of the live and time of yours will still be there just the same for you..... So the third dream is uneventful. Definitely, it isn't going to be as important as the next one in which you would begin to ask it out loud if MDs have adequate medical back ground to self-study OMM and thus be granted to transfrom into a DO when needed? Or you could just find yourself slip into the middle of the mother of them all civil wars, right there in your beloved profession. Who knows...........?

Wait a minute! Who the heaven post these replies to me even before I finish? Let me see what they say......

You should have gone to MD school!!!!!!!

Man, I am so glad that you are awaken now. Don't sleep any more, would you? Please!!!!!!!

 

[haldane3]

I dreamt about an ex-girlfriend last night.

 

[turkdlit]

Originally posted by Slickness
Nothing, besides the fact that he called me a dork, a nerd and a loser.

Ahahah!

 

[calcrew14]

Originally posted by haldane3
I dreamt about an ex-girlfriend last night.

Which one of them did you dream about?

The basketball center, the gynastic team member, the big fat homerun hitter on the softball team or the anorexic top cross country runner ? Oh, I forgot about the perfect 10 one that was going to Harvard............ Again??????? How many times you dreamt about her this last nigth?...........Here is the calculator........


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