drug test

[Chode]

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do they do a drug test before med school starts?
lets assume somebody is a daily pot smoker, how long do they have to stop before the drug test will be negative?

does anybody know about these portable urine samples you can buy?

 

[vinoyp]

 

[trauma_junky]

Well, yes some schools do test, being that it is against the ethical code posted by the AMA to break the law you may be up the river.

 

[Chode]

it isn't me you understand just a really good friend

apparently they have a lawyer that will testify that all of the smoking happened in Amstardam, should the drug test be failed.

plan B is to claim that they have Cancer and obtain a retroactive prescription for medical marijuana from Winona Rider's physician

 

[ColumbiaMPH]

Depends on the test that they use. You usually need to be clean for 30 days for the urine test, but it's 90 days for the hair test.

I would try to get in touch with a current student from your school to see if they do drug screens. I don't think it is standard, but someone told me that Mt. Sinai definitely does it. I don't know about any others. If your school does screen, I think you can order different supplements online that will help you detox faster.

 

[a band apart]

i agree w/ columbia on a few points:

i've heard sinai does the drug test.

if you smoke daily, it may take from 2-3 weeks to get it out of your system...however, the fact that urine tests (i doubt you'll face a hair/skin/blood test) are not that sensitive and that every person's metabolism differs greatly ensure that the window we have quoted is not set in stone. also, if you quit a few days before and drink tons of water, you might be alright.

if you want to be more calculated about it, you can get some gold seal, which basically cleans you out. or you can order stuff off the web...i have a friend who was facing a drug test like that, and he told me that there is plenty of info available online that can help you beat a test.

anyway, i doubt they would arrest you/expel you based on one failed drug test. i would think that most organizations (aside from parole officers) would offer a re-test, given that any number of factors could contribute to one failing grade.

good luck.

 

[Lars Ulrich]

pot is unique in how long it can be detected in your body because it is lipid soluble and tends to linger. it can be detected for upto a month or two (2 or 3 weeks being more common, but usually longer for daily smokers). just drink lots of water before you go so your urine is dilute. other drugs i.e cocaine, E, will flush out within 2 days. as for using someone elses urine...it doesnt work...as its temperature is takem to determine if it is a normal body temperature, i doubt they would let you take in a thermos, hahahahahaha, and calculating cooling rates based on ambient temperature might be too hard

now i have a question for anyone that might know. can drugs be tested for imunologically? i mean cocaine for example is an antigen foreign to your system and should there fore form an antibody, right? could these antibodies not be detected through a test. wouldnt it therefore be possible to determine whether someone did any drugs years or even decades later the way it is possible to determine if someone had chicken pox?

 

[CUskibum]

go to www.erowid.org it should have all the answers

 

[trauma_junky]

90 days for hair folicle and 30 UDS per "joint" smoked! If you are a heavy smoker, coul be a year or more!

I ope your frind is ready to defend an extended stay in Amsterdam

 

[AlternateSome1]

Originally posted by Lars Ulrich
now i have a question for anyone that might know. can drugs be tested for imunologically? i mean cocaine for example is an antigen foreign to your system and should there fore form an antibody, right? could these antibodies not be detected through a test. wouldnt it therefore be possible to determine whether someone did any drugs years or even decades later the way it is possible to determine if someone had chicken pox?

Well...it is my understanding that most drugs work because they are so similar to another chemical in the body (seratonin, dopamine, etc...). I would think that if your body is using said substance in place of a natural one, it would probably not be detected as a foreign substance. This is just a guess though, so don't take my word for it. 🙂

~AS1~

 

[Jonkst]

Originally posted by Lars Ulrich

now i have a question for anyone that might know. can drugs be tested for imunologically? i mean cocaine for example is an antigen foreign to your system and should there fore form an antibody, right? could these antibodies not be detected through a test. wouldnt it therefore be possible to determine whether someone did any drugs years or even decades later the way it is possible to determine if someone had chicken pox? [/B]

That's actually a very interesting idea... Currently, antibodies exist for caffeine, and if used correctly, with certain amplifications that I don't want to get into, they can detect it down to sub-pico molar concentrations (pretty ridiculous, eh?) It was explained to me as you could take a can of coke, pour it into a swimming pool, then take a cup of that swimming pool and pour it in another swimming pool, and you could still detect it, or something like that. Anyhow, this would mean that they could detect the drugs for a lot longer, but they'd still go away after some time.

I kinda doubt the immune thing. If that were the case, then chronic drug users would have pretty strong immune responses to their drugs. If you developed antibodies to a drug you were taking, well, you'd get pretty sick. That and you wouldn't necessarily develop an immune response if you only took drugs occasionally.

I did know a lady once who was allergic to pot though, so I guess its possible. It was not a pretty site, she warned all of her students that if they smoked and then came into contact with her she'd break into hives.

 

[trauma_junky]

Originally posted by Jonkst


I did know a lady once who was allergic to pot though, so I guess its possible. It was not a pretty site, she warned all of her students that if they smoked and then came into contact with her she'd break into hives.

I bet she is an adcom!

 

[Jonkst]

Originally posted by trauma_junky
I bet she is an adcom!

Well, she was a b*tch, so its that or she worked for AMCAS...

 

[dcpark74]

Originally posted by trauma_junky
90 days for hair folicle and 30 UDS per "joint" smoked! If you are a heavy smoker, coul be a year or more!

I ope your frind is ready to defend an extended stay in Amsterdam

Completely wrong!🙂 I hope the above post was in jest.

Anyway, my friend smoked daily and took a drug test 10 days after his/her last bong hit. He/she passed the test. Then again his/her body fat percentage was 8% at the time.

 

[vinoyp]

Originally posted by Jonkst
That's actually a very interesting idea... Currently, antibodies exist for caffeine, and if used correctly, with certain amplifications that I don't want to get into, they can detect it down to sub-pico molar concentrations (pretty ridiculous, eh?) It was explained to me as you could take a can of coke, pour it into a swimming pool, then take a cup of that swimming pool and pour it in another swimming pool, and you could still detect it, or something like that. Anyhow, this would mean that they could detect the drugs for a lot longer, but they'd still go away after some time.

I kinda doubt the immune thing. If that were the case, then chronic drug users would have pretty strong immune responses to their drugs. If you developed antibodies to a drug you were taking, well, you'd get pretty sick. That and you wouldn't necessarily develop an immune response if you only took drugs occasionally.

I did know a lady once who was allergic to pot though, so I guess its possible. It was not a pretty site, she warned all of her students that if they smoked and then came into contact with her she'd break into hives.

There is actually an immunoassay for cocaine detection. There is one that uses antibodies against cocaine metabolites. There are also studies for a cocaine vaccine, where the vaccine is part of a cocaine molecule attached to part of some toxin carrier molecule. It's designed to reduce the euphoric effects of cocaine by generating antibodies that bind to cocaine and block it's entry into the brain. It's supposedly good for recovering coke addicts who break down and take a hit.

It does not seem to me that cocaine taken by itself generates an effective immune response if at all. I do not know why this is. In response to one of the posters, I believe cocaine is a dopamine reuptake inhibitor.

--Vinoy

 

[Jonkst]

That's the point of my whole caffeine example. They can tell if you've used whatever drug within a given time. Immunoassays are getting really common, and are actually what they use in the glucose tests for diabetics nowadays to minimized the sample needed... So that's why you can get the glucose monitors that don't need to poke you now. The thing is, the cocaine metabolites would be temporary, and would eventually be metabolized to the point of being immeasurable, so the test would be temporary, but perhaps measure a longer duration than one that looks for residues in hair however they do it now. The original idea was that you could make a test that would look for your body's antibodies to cocaine, which would be in you the rest of your life if you developed them. I think we agree that these antibodies don't generally exist, so a test like this would not be possible.

 

[Tamomo]

Do med schools make their incoming students take drug tests?

If they do which schools are they?

This seems like a weird requirement. Drug tests?!?!

 

[Jonkst]

Who would want a doctor that's addicted to drugs (as I sip my cheap whiskey and coke... No joke).

Yeah, it does seem a little weird. I'd think if you actually had a drug problem, as a opposed to just having a good time everynow and then, you wouldn't have made as far as medical school...

 

[LipGloss]

ask Dr Zlatko how to pass

 

[....]

gold seal and dilution dont work...

drinking water for days and days before is useless because TCH metabolits are stored in fat cells. Diluting your urine a few hours before the test will help but the specific density of the solution will drop and they test for extreme fluctuations in osmolarity and such.

100% effective....someone elses uring atatched to a bag on your leg. But if someone watches you pee for real (from the spicket) not just right outside, you could run into trouble.

Pretty damned effective...fat control....
Diet down...lose as much fat as you can...and then about three days before the test eat like a mad man. Your body will go into inulin directed fat storing mode and will not be releasing many/if any THC metabolites.

BUT, here is how the proffesionals do it. I dont really do any drugs (that new anit-pot comercial explains my reason well) , but if someday i took a vaction and did coke/X or something my job was on the line you better belive I would do this. It does require at least a few hours knowledge of the test. (as all test beating methods do)

Foley catheter. You drink/eat nothing for 8 hours. Get some distilled water and flush out your bladder. Get a friends CLEAN urine and bang bing boom. You can pee with the tester looking right at you and youll be clean as a wistle. Or course if your a guy, the procedure will not be pleasant but I figure if I am going to make patients go through it I can. Not so bad for girls.
Of course, If you are a drug user/boozer who goes to work/on call remotley intoxiacted i hope an elephant steps on your balls.

 

[....]

PS, a woman an my local hospital was ranodmly tested and fired. She went on vacation/did some blow. came back sober but...tested. I personaly think she must have showed signs at work for her to be singled out. But, like when you got your sister pregnant, you play you pay.

 

[superk0725]

I took a class called Drugs and Society at my college and there my professor told us that to beat a urine test just add a pack of salt or some vinegar in it. it will change the pH of urine. dont know if it works but its an option.

 

[....]

some drug test are screwed up by ph imbalances, but since the people know that the test dont work they know to check ph. They could smell the vinegar too.

 

[Jonkst]

I hope I never have to be the guy that smells drug tests for vinegar.... Gross.

 

[femdoc]

you people really think that drug testing pros aren't hip to the bag of tricks? If a school would go out of their way to test for drugs, nine times out of ten, they know the deal. To the OP, advise your *friend* to stay clear of drug testing schools, and the weed, for that matter.

From femdoc, as she lights up a fat one....😛