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Ok so this has been really bugging me. I had posted a similar question earlier but have been searching the board and seeing a lot of mixed opinions. Do pharmacy schools consider where you do your undergrad!?? I have the opportunity to go to a nice cheap local CSU( Stanislaus to be exact) or a UC school, I was planning on sticking to the CSU but I've read many people saying how a "higher prestige" school makes you a better candidate. So what's the deal!? I am stressed out to the max!!!
 

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Ok so this has been really bugging me. I had posted a similar question earlier but have been searching the board and seeing a lot of mixed opinions. Do pharmacy schools consider where you do your undergrad!?? I have the opportunity to go to a nice cheap local CSU( Stanislaus to be exact) or a UC school, I was planning on sticking to the CSU but I've read many people saying how a "higher prestige" school makes you a better candidate. So what's the deal!? I am stressed out to the max!!!

There is no clear answer for this. Different schools will weigh different factors of your application.

If you're a hard worker, just go to a UC (prefably Berkeley).
 
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lol, stanislaus is more remote than... Tahiti.

go to a UC.

So, why is this? Does the chemistry at a UC have more elements on the periodic table than any other campus? Just wondering what makes these classes any different at different schools or is it mainly the name?
 

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So, why is this? Does the chemistry at a UC have more elements on the periodic table than any other campus? Just wondering what makes these classes any different at different schools or is it mainly the name?

Simple.

"Hey, have you heard of CSU Stanislaus?"
"uhh....what?"

compare to

"Hey, I go to Cal"
"hey that's cool"

Name, prestige, faculty.... UC's are research institutions, CSU's are forbidden by law to award PhD's. Automatic quality of professor problem right there...and since many professional schools look for research involvement, you're at a disadvantage.

There was an argument about this already in the UCI/UCLA/UCSD thread...goes in depth about prestige between the UC's.
 

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Honestly I don't think it matters as much as other people say as long as you go to a decent school and try to learn as much as possible. I go to Cal Poly Pomona and the science professors there are all good in my opinion. Also even though csu are not as focused on research as UC systems there are research opportunities out there. As long as you understand the topics, do well in classes, and have good communication skills I think you will be fine.

One of the positives of a CSU campus is that you really get to know your professors since classrooms size are not as huge as in a UC and so there letter of recommendations are very genuine and alot of the professors got their phd from great colleges.

Although this is not related to pharmacy...two of my good friends also went to calpoly and one got into Cal techs biochem phd and my other friend got into Cornells Pharmacology phd program...Also one of my fellow chemistry major friends did research with cal tech and jpl over the summer so I think as long as your determined and go to a decent school you should be fine.

Heck I got an interview for UCSF which surprised me and although I didnt get accepted I'm just humbled to get an interview. Currently I got accepted to loma linda and I'm happy with it
 

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Because when I get a 99 on the PCAT even though I go to a fourth tier school, the PCAT doesn't matter. Or maybe something went wrong with the grading.

When someone from a top 50 school gets a 90, it means that their school taught them a lot.
 

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I think it doesn't really matter but I feel like it should since some are more difficult than others esp if they are research base schools!!!
 

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What about for the sake of statistics and demographics? I'm sure there would be more competitiveness from a major school as opposed to a lesser-known school. So since a pharmacy program can't be made up of, say, 90 percent students from big names, then coming from a smaller school could up your chances.
 

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I came from a CSU school and got accepted. I'm certain that prestige doesn't play that big of a role when it comes to your application. Rather, other factors will weight heavily such as GPA, LOR, and Experience. If you think that by going to CSU you're at a huge disadvantage, then I'm telling you that's not the case. I know so many people in my class that got into various professional schools. Whether it is dental, medical or pharmacy. Going to CSU has advantages such as smaller sized class rooms which gives essentially leads to better communication with the professors. This will help out with LOR for sure. Tuition is also cheaper at CSU, so that could save you a ton of money. Bottom line is no matter where you decide to go(CC, CSU, UC) if you don't study, then don't even think about doing pharmacy.
 

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Because when I get a 99 on the PCAT even though I go to a fourth tier school, the PCAT doesn't matter. Or maybe something went wrong with the grading.

When someone from a top 50 school gets a 90, it means that their school taught them a lot.

And this is so true. I didn't get a 99, but it cracks me up to see users who proudly announce "top 50" school with a 90 PCAT. With my 98, my dinky school just trumped yours. :laugh:

But seriously, if you are a good student you will succeed wherever you go, even if it is to an unknown school.
 

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i used to be sure of the answer to your question, i used to be sure that going to a quality U.C school would give you better chances of admission to a pharmacy school of your choice; however, after this application cycle i realized this is far from true. many of my friends went to an average CSU school, majored in psychology and got their 3.8-4.0, they got into some of the top pharmacy schools in the nation (USC, UCSD, UCSF), me on the other hand, my gpa is about 0.5 lower and i got a biochemistry degree from a prestigious U.C school.


basically, in my opinion, 4.0 from CSU >>>>>>>>>> 3.5 from U.C. go to CSU and knock it out of the ballpark!
 

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Like others have said, the PCAT is the equalizer.

Go wherever makes you happy.
 
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Here's how I look at it: A lower than average gpa will not mean any more from a "prestigious" or "hard" school than it will a community college or some other state school. Sure...maybe up at the top when deciding between a 3.9 from a community college and a 3.9 from UC Berkely you might win some points from where you came from...but it won't buy you much when you're sitting 3.0 or less.
 

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absolute, just curious which UC did you go to?


people bring up the PCAT and sure, i'll agree, going to a great university will prepare you like no OTHER for the PCAT, I didn't study hardcore for the PCAT and got a 99, I attribute all of that to the great knowledge foundation that was provided to me by UCSD; however, let's not forget, if you're applying to california pharmacy schools the PCAT factor is out of the question, they don't give a rat's behind about it... so there goes THAT theory!
 

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people bring up the PCAT and sure, i'll agree, going to a great university will prepare you like no OTHER for the PCAT, I didn't study hardcore for the PCAT and got a 99, I attribute all of that to the great knowledge foundation that was provided to me by UCSD; however, let's not forget, if you're applying to california pharmacy schools the PCAT factor is out of the question, they don't give a rat's behind about it... so there goes THAT theory!

Most pharmacy schools are outside of California, so, excluding a few odd cases (including a couple stupid of schools in Texas who don't recognize the difference between a 70 and a 99 PCAT), the theory works.
 

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don't want to take sides, but the top pharm schools are the ones that are in California right? maybe I'm a little biased since I live in CA.
 

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Ok so this has been really bugging me. I had posted a similar question earlier but have been searching the board and seeing a lot of mixed opinions. Do pharmacy schools consider where you do your undergrad!?? I have the opportunity to go to a nice cheap local CSU( Stanislaus to be exact) or a UC school, I was planning on sticking to the CSU but I've read many people saying how a "higher prestige" school makes you a better candidate. So what's the deal!? I am stressed out to the max!!!

DesiThumbi,

I applied to a handful of pharmacy schools. One of the schools was clear in that to them, prestige of the school where their candidates take pre-pharm courses does matter. Their admissions website and their admissions counselor informed me of their stance. On the other hand, one of the schools made it clear that to them, prestige does not matter. I got that info from their admissions counselor.

I recommend that you seek out an admissions counselor of the pharmacy school(s) you wish to attend, and get the answer directly from the school. Each of the schools to which I applied handled the admissions process differently.

Just a few quick phone calls and your problem should be solved! Good luck!
 

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Most pharmacy schools are outside of California, so, excluding a few odd cases (including a couple stupid of schools in Texas who don't recognize the difference between a 70 and a 99 PCAT), the theory works.


if you pay close attention to the first post, he/she is deciding whether to go to a U.C or CSU school, meaning that the poster lives in california... so i don't think that it's a stretch by any means to assume that the poster will be applying to california schools.

therefore, in this case, the theory of a better PCAT score need not apply!

go to CSU, major in something ridiculously easy, get your 4.0 and attend UCSF!

p.s. i do agree with you that other than UCSF no other CA school is ranked in the top 10.
 

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if you pay close attention to the first post, he/she is deciding whether to go to a U.C or CSU school, meaning that the poster lives in california... so i don't think that it's a stretch by any means to assume that the poster will be applying to california schools.

therefore, in this case, the theory of a better PCAT score need not apply!

go to CSU, major in something ridiculously easy, get your 4.0 and attend UCSF!

p.s. i do agree with you that other than UCSF no other CA school is ranked in the top 10.


But I thought only the GPA for your pre-pharm courses apply to pharmacy schools. If I major in communications get a 4.0, would that be my applying GPA or whatever my pre-req grades are(pharcas GPA).
 
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But I thought only the GPA for your pre-pharm courses apply to pharmacy schools. If I major in communications get a 4.0, would that be my applying GPA or whatever my pre-req grades are(pharcas GPA).


your overall would be what you are judged upon. of course pre-req grades matter, but still, overall is most important.

my biggest regret is majoring in biochemistry, don't make the same mistake kids!
 

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your overall would be what you are judged upon. of course pre-req grades matter, but still, overall is most important.

my biggest regret is majoring in biochemistry, don't make the same mistake kids!


By overall do you mean just major Gpa or major and pre-reqs combined
 

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if you pay close attention to the first post, he/she is deciding whether to go to a U.C or CSU school, meaning that the poster lives in california... so i don't think that it's a stretch by any means to assume that the poster will be applying to california schools.

therefore, in this case, the theory of a better PCAT score need not apply!

go to CSU, major in something ridiculously easy, get your 4.0 and attend UCSF!

p.s. i do agree with you that other than UCSF no other CA school is ranked in the top 10.


UCSD is of the same quality as any top 10 school though, and will probably be there once the institution establishes itself. Even then, if you look at USC, the reputation is steadily climbing as well. It might one day break that barrier. I'm somewhat surprised it isn't considered top 10 because it produces excellent grads within CA and it has sizeable research along with its medical school a stone throw away.
 

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your overall would be what you are judged upon. of course pre-req grades matter, but still, overall is most important.

my biggest regret is majoring in biochemistry, don't make the same mistake kids!

Heehee...It's too late for me to change because I'm about to graduate with a Biochemistry and Cell Bio degree this June from UCSD. :D When I think about it, I should've gone to UCI since I could've lived with my parents (saves a lot of $$$) and earn a better GPA.
 

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UCSD is of the same quality as any top 10 school though, and will probably be there once the institution establishes itself. Even then, if you look at USC, the reputation is steadily climbing as well. It might one day break that barrier. I'm somewhat surprised it isn't considered top 10 because it produces excellent grads within CA and it has sizeable research along with its medical school a stone throw away.


whether a school should be in the top 10, or maybe someday will be in the top 10 is not the point, the point is, UCSF IS THE ONLY TOP 10 PROGRAM IN CALIFORNIA --- PERIOD!
 

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I think in the long run it really doesn't matter whether you go to a UC or CSU but what you get out of your time there.

One issue you might face in UCs is the "research orientation". This manifests two ways: the teacher doesn't really care about teaching because they want to go do their research, or, the teacher will focus their teaching on their research.. like, as I progressed in my bio series, a teacher would be like "you guys learned this last quarter, right?" and half the class did, half didn't, because one teacher focused on what he researched and skipped what he didn't. However I've probably only experienced this a few times in five years and I don't think it ends up being that big a deal.

Maybe check out opportunities at the campuses for you. My UC has internships set up with local hospitals, lots of research opportunities available, health science advising and pre-professional programs focused on pharmacy.. will you have that at the CSU? These are things that will help set your application apart, it's not all GPA. :) Your decision will come down to the little things - do you want to be on the quarter system or the semester system? (Personally, I love quarters!)

Like AbsoluteEthanol, I'm pretty over my biochem degree. I'm taking a couple NPB classes for my last quarter before graduating and I love it. I feel like I'm learning far more relevant things than the protein folding and transcription factors I studied for the last year. Try to take a range of courses early on in your college years and then major in what you love the most.
 

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Whats a Stanislaus? I can't find it in the dictionary
 

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Whats a Stanislaus? I can't find it in the dictionary

Likely named for a Native American, as many CA counties are, it's a river, forest, county, and California State University. Located between Stockton and Fresno, it's arguably in the middle of nowhere. :) But I've visited the CSU a few times and it's rather pretty, lots of trees, and from what I saw a nice music department and theatre.
 
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