Duke on probation for surgery

[RunMimi]

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[skypilot]

This week Duke was put on probation for its surgery acrediation for its residency program. This seems very very bad to me. Should this impact my feelings toward the med school? How related are the residency and med school programs?

I think Hopkins is on probation too for overworking their surgical residents. 🙂 I wouldn't worry about it. If you get into Duke or Hopkins go!

 

[Rugger81]

hmmm...should you reject Duke?


Yes, I would. Right after I turned down Harvard, Hopkins, Columbia, Yale, and Stanford.



I mean come on, how arrogant can you get? Probation is a way to get schools to follow certain rules and guidelines. Duke is not going under anytime soon. Neither is its surgical residency program.

 

[Mumpu]

Hopkins internal medicine residency was put on probation for blatantly ignoring the resident work hours laws. Duke does not have a stellar record with laws in general -- their whole research division was shut down a few years ago for gross violations in human research.

Yes, arrogance and stupid hard-core behaviors are more prevalent at high-ranked schools. Will it make you a better doctor? Absolutely not.

 

[PookieGirl]

hmmm...should you reject Duke?


Yes, I would. Right after I turned down Harvard, Hopkins, Columbia, Yale, and Stanford.



I mean come on, how arrogant can you get? Probation is a way to get schools to follow certain rules and guidelines. Duke is not going under anytime soon. Neither is its surgical residency program.

Somehow I doubt you'd be saying the same thing if the school under probation were a less reputed school.

That said, this is probably a consequence of new rules on residency, which surgical residencies by nature of their work have had a difficult time following. If you get an interview, I would ask about it.

 

[Rugger81]

Somehow I doubt you'd be saying the same thing if the school under probation were a less reputed school.

no kidding. that was the whole point of my post. why would you turn down one of the best medical schools in the country? the probation is a formality. duke is not going to lose its accreditation.

 

[jake2]

This is apparently a paperwork thing:

http://www.heraldsun.com/durham/4-512097.html

It seems some of the residents don't properly record the cases they do electronically and only keep a paper record on notecards. They thus "officially" have far fewer cases under their belts than they actually do. It, along with the other problems listed at the bottom of this article, should be worked out shortly.

 

[jake2]

I am not being arrogant. Sorry if it came out this way. I want to get the best medical education possible. Just because its ranked high doesn't mean I'm going to learn the most in the best atmosphere.

Umm... correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears you go to Duke. Wouldn't it be easiest for you to figure out what the environment at the medical school is like by just walking over there? (Not meant sarcastically. Actual piece of advice to go check out the medical school yourself rather than reading rumors on an online board).

 

[VienneseWaltz]

I think Hopkins is on probation too for overworking their surgical residents. 🙂 I wouldn't worry about it. If you get into Duke or Hopkins go!

As someone else pointed out, it was the internal medicine program, for having too few days in between MICU call during the first week of the new regulations. Hopkins fixed the problem and is no longer on probation. Duke will fix its problem and get off probation next year, just like Yale's surgery fixed its problems and got off probation a few years ago.

To the OP: I wouldn't let this bother you if you are not otherwise bothered by the intensity of programs like Duke.

 

[akpete]

This just goes to show people that a lot of schools get put on probation every now and then. Majority of the time, it's easily fixed. So for all the people that are so apprehensive about applying to Rosalind Franklin because of the probation status, here's an example of 2 "prestigious" schools and hospitals that also have a probation issue. Regardless of whether it's the school or the residency program, nobody questions attending Duke or Hopkins, but yet so many question Rosalind Franklin?

 

[Mr hawkings]

This week Duke was put on probation for its surgery acrediation for its residency program. This seems very very bad to me. Should this impact my feelings toward the med school? How related are the residency and med school programs?

The residency program being on probation has nothing to do with your medical education. Dont forget that the vast majority of people dp not do their residency at the same school they went to med school for 4 years. A residency program being on probation has virtually no effect on the quality of instruction that goes on at the school. Most of your teachers will be phd basic scientists (1st 2 yrs at least) who do very little work in the hospital.