Emergency programs... can i get help?

[mustafalop]

I am a third year about to start the residency hunt and trying to get an idea of EM programs to look at...solid programs not necessarily in the top tier like some people are concerned with...i am looking to have a great experience seen lots of things but i like to keep my mind open to all programs.
what do you guys think about
Lincoln
UT southwestern
UT houston
SUNY brooklyn
Wake Forest
Christian health care in Delaware
Emory

a few that i am looking into

thanks a lot

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[davidgreen]

Hello, doubting Mustafa (a line from Aladdin). I'll tell you what I've heard about these programs. I suppose it depends what you're looking for in terms of resident lifestyle, geography, pt diversity, and program reputation.

A quick look:

Lincoln: residents aren't happy, but you get a decent training.

UT-Southwestern: great training, but probably the most rigorous and physically/mentally taxing EM residency around, next to Cook County

UT-Houston: stay away from this program. It's been on probation for some years now. There's always that fear that it's going to go under, as some programs on probation have (see Oklahoma), leaving their residents to scramble for PGY-2 and -3 spots in other programs. If you're at UT-H and it gets the death penalty, you'll be competing with your 30 fellow UT-H residents for a spot elsewhere. Good luck.

SUNY-Brooklyn: another overworked group of residents, but hey, New York, there's nothing like it.

Wake: Awesome program, awesome place to live (very different from NY, obviously). Laid-back atmosphere.

Christiana, Delaware: Highly respected program. National reputation. After graduating from this place, you shouldn't have any trouble finding a job as an attending in any part of the country.

Emory: great program, esp for academic medicine. if you have any dreams of research or post-residency fellowship, emory should be among your first choices. atlanta is one of the faster-growing big cities, too. lots to do.

david
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[A little elf]

I can speak on a couple of the programs

UT Southwestern: A real up and coming program...you'll work hard, but you'll get excellent training.

Emory: Great training...will get worked to death, though...the scut at Emory is huge, but if you trained there, you would be scared of nothing

Christiana: One of my friends just matched there...his first choice. Loved the program and the residents

 

[A little elf]

Forgot about Wake...the program is awesome. 8 hour shifts are a plus. This is a great place to go if you're married, but if you're single, the social scene isn't the greatest.

 

[tulanestudent]

I'll be more vauge: How about any programs you particularly liked or disliked in the Northeast or Midwest. I have family in both areas and am at the information gathering stage of deciding which programs to look at. Appreciate you input.

 

[tulanestudent]

I'll be more vauge: How about any programs you particularly liked or disliked in the Northeast or Midwest. I have family in both areas and am at the information gathering stage of deciding which programs to look at. Appreciate you input.

 

[mustafalop]

Hey guys thanks for the reply....more questions what programs do you recommend for say the Northeast(especially NY and Philly), Southeast(FL, GA, etc) and Chicago
i heard that some good ones are
Univ Miami
Jacksonville
Penn
MCP
Yale
UCONN
I want to end up somewhere that would not kill my social life, being single and all...but yet that's not a necessity, i am just looking for a place that's semi laid back, good teaching, residents are semi happy to happy, not malignant etc, and where cost of living is semi decent (i know NY isn't but hey...it's NY)...that might be a dream hahaha

but tell me what you think

thanks for your help

 

[A little elf]

Miami doesn't have a program...only two programs in Fl are Orlando and Jax...Jax has minimal faculty and it's a pretty intense environment...minimal oversight. Orlando has more oversight, but is still crazy-busy (not Charity or Grady crazy-busy, but still pretty busy). I didn't interview in Chicago, but rumor has it that Christ is the best program in Chi-town...spoke to people who interviewed at Cook and they said they'd rather not match than match there...ultra-malignant. For Tulanestudent...I loved Hennepin County in Minneapolis and Regions in St. Paul...residents were great, workload not crazy, great faculty. The most resident-friendly program that I interviewed at was Wake. Didn't interview in the Northeast.

 

[rk123]

mustafalop,

Be VERY careful with the relatively new EM programs. In my (possibly ignorant) opinion the EM residents at big Ivy-league academic centers have huge disadvantages. I mean that they are pushed around by the very strong medicine and surgery programs. I did a month at Harvard/MGH/BWH and saw this first hand (EM attendings would check with a IM 3rd year RESIDENT for admissions at Brigham/Women's hostpital). I interviewed at Penn and DID NOT RANK them mainly for this reason(in addition, they work more hours than any other place I found). Yale was very similar. You need to go to a place where the EM residents rule the roost so to speak. The top tier programs (in my opinion) in the east like this are:

Carolinas
Pitt

Other good ones:
Jacksonville
MCP
Allegheny
Christiana
Emory

In general, the best programs are in the midwest and west because there isn't so much "old-school" medicine going on. I think EM needs programs at "big" name places for respect as a specialty, it just takes a while for them to find their place in the hospital. For example, I think Duke will have a very good EM program, I just wouldn't go there now.

Toodles,
rk123

 

[mustafalop]

RK123 so what was your ranking like? Only said i was looking into the NE and SE because i am not too familiar with the midwest or west programs, and it seems like lots of people want to go to residencies in say california, and that might make competition even more due to that, all though there is competition everywhere. Do you know about programs that had problems filling?

What is your thoughts about MCP, is Drexel going to take over, or is there still turmoil there, i would not like to be there and have to scramble due to the school having financial problems.

And to little elf...yeah Wake is really laid back....i go to school there and so i know first hand, so i am going to apply there as well, but yeah the location is a killer for the social life, not like i will have time in intern year but, when i do, i would be nice to have the option to do something. But that's not a priority, priority is to find a good program somewhere especially a program with some diversity.

later
mustafa