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Hello. I have a fairly nuanced/complicated question for y'all. Thanks for taking the time to read this.

In 2012, I submitted an abstract to an academic conference. It was accepted and I presented an oral presentation. Years later, this conference then published my abstract in their affiliated journal which does have peer-reviewed articles. I'm unsure whether it is appropriate to list this publication in ERAS.

Some information on the journal: It's an interdisciplinary academic journal that publishes "outstanding peer-reviewed articles." Once a year, they publish all the abstracts presented at their conference. That is the only information I can gather on the journal. It's unclear to me whether my abstract was peer-reviewed or not. There is no PMID for my abstract, but then again this publication is not really in the field of medicine; more like psychology.

Would it be dishonest to list this as a publication? Or should I play it safe and only list it as a oral presentation?

I've looked through the FAQ thread that addresses these sorts of questions, but didn't find that it addressed my situation. Totally unsure on how to proceed so I would appreciate any input. Thank you.
 
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I would list it as a poster presentation. Honestly, people have these issues all the time with the apps. If you did also list it as a pub, it probably won't make/break you. Nobody will be so wowed that they rank you higher, and nobody will consider it so much fraud that they will blacklist you.
 
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I would list it as a poster presentation. Honestly, people have these issues all the time with the apps. If you did also list it as a pub, it probably won't make/break you. Nobody will be so wowed that they rank you higher, and nobody will consider it so much fraud that they will blacklist you.
So if essentially there's no difference, why not just list it as a pub? Why would you list it as a poster pres? Thanks for replying.
 

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So if essentially there's no difference, why not just list it as a pub? Why would you list it as a poster pres? Thanks for replying.
Because one way is more honest than the other. And since you've asked, you can't claim you were too naive.
 
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Because one way is more honest than the other. And since you've asked, you can't claim you were too naive.
But ERAS has a category for peer-reviewed abstracts. If this doesn't fall under that category, than what does? Not trying to be argumentative here, I just don't want to be a sucker and sell my self short. I absolutely will not list it as a publication if I have any doubts about doing so, because that would be dishonest.
 
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It is a presentation, not a publication.

Published abstracts don't count as publications.
ERAS has a publication category for peer-reviewed abstracts. If this doesn't fall under that, than what does?
 

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Going to jump on this thread because I have a ERAS/research question too. If I worked on something that was presented as a podium presentation at a major conference but I was not the actual presenter, can I still list it as an oral presentation? I don't really see an area to say "my supervisor presented this, not me" so I don't want to be misleading, but I also want the oral presentation on my app. Not sure what the rules are. Advice? :shrug:
 

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ERAS has a publication category for peer-reviewed abstracts. If this doesn't fall under that, than what does?
Well, if there is a specific section for peer-reviewed abstracts, then write it there. People are going to view abstracts as presentations and manuscripts as publications.
 

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Going to jump on this thread because I have a ERAS/research question too. If I worked on something that was presented as a podium presentation at a major conference but I was not the actual presenter, can I still list it as an oral presentation? I don't really see an area to say "my supervisor presented this, not me" so I don't want to be misleading, but I also want the oral presentation on my app. Not sure what the rules are. Advice? :shrug:
I would say that if you are one of the authors, you can put it on an application under abstracts. Since you are likely not the first or last author, people will assume you were not the presenter, but you should not refute that assumption by listing it as an oral presentation you didn't present.

Better clarification of your role and contribution can be done under "Research Experiences"
 
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I would say that if you are one of the authors, you can put it on an application under abstracts. Since you are likely not the first or last author, people will assume you were not the presenter, but you should not refute that assumption by listing it as an oral presentation you didn't present.

Better clarification of your role and contribution can be done under "Research Experiences"
Thank you for your response! I was second author and they weren't going to fly me to Vegas for the presentation :cryi:

I completed this research, as well as a few other projects, during the same research fellowship. I listed this fellowship in the "Research Experiences" section. Do I list the individual projects by name again in this section (in addition to in the publication section) and describe my role in each of them under this research experience? I'm not really sure what is required/suggested.
 

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Just a comment about this abstract versus poster versus oral presentations and publications. In general rank of importance:

Your name on an abstract (published or not) < poster presentation < oral presentation < published manuscript.

Most large conferences will publish abstracts submitted to a conference in a supporting journal. While it is certainly better to have something as opposed to nothing, saying you have a "published abstract" is less impressive than saying you gave an oral presentation at a conference. So you should list it as an oral presentation, and not as a published abstract, because the former is more meaningful.
 

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Thank you for your response! I was second author and they weren't going to fly me to Vegas for the presentation :cryi:

I completed this research, as well as a few other projects, during the same research fellowship. I listed this fellowship in the "Research Experiences" section. Do I list the individual projects by name again in this section (in addition to in the publication section) and describe my role in each of them under this research experience? I'm not really sure what is required/suggested.
Yes, I would list each individual project you were involved in separately since they likely had a different scope, oversight, goal and most importantly, you probably learned or took away something different from each one.
 
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What if you had an oral presentation, do you list just yourself as the author so they know you were the one that presented, or do you list all authors?

If you did an oral presentation, and that abstract was also published in the supporting journal, do you list it twice? Once as a oral presentation and once as a published abstract?
 

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What if you had an oral presentation, do you list just yourself as the author so they know you were the one that presented, or do you list all authors?

If you did an oral presentation, and that abstract was also published in the supporting journal, do you list it twice? Once as a oral presentation and once as a published abstract?
Yes. list all the authors. The first author of a presentation is generally a presenter, but it is unlikely they did all the work. Thus, you list all authors to give credit where credit it due. You should make sure your presentation has an "Acknowledgement" slide too.

I would not list it twice. Did you do twice the work? Most people will see through this and view it as "double dipping". Both poster and oral presentations at a major conference are usually listed as "Published Abstracts" but oral presentations carry more weight, so list it as such. If you list your oral presentation as a "Published Abstract" most people will assume you did a poster. You're selling yourself short that way.
 
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