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Can someone give me a list of good european medical schools that have english programs, and a good reputation (also any schools in Isreal as well). Thanks!
European Medical schools (M.D.)
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Jagiellonian University
(Cracow - Poland)
Founded in 1400!
As far as its reputation is I'm not too sure
(at least on the international level, b/c it is definitely the most prestigious university in Poland). However, given that they've been around for 600 years has got to say something about their quality. http://www.medschool.cm-uj.krakow.pl/
Another university in Poland offering 4 year MD program (in english)is
Karol Marcinkowski University of Medical Sciences in Poznan: http://www.mdprogram.com/
Personally, I don't know anything about it, but judging by the prestige, Jagiellonian U
definitely wins out.
And then there is Charles University in
Czech Republic: http://www.cuni.cz/cuni/ujop/medicine.html
But, as far as I know they only offer a 6 year curriculum (I might be wrong though).
Hope that helps.....
(Cracow - Poland)
Founded in 1400!
As far as its reputation is I'm not too sure
(at least on the international level, b/c it is definitely the most prestigious university in Poland). However, given that they've been around for 600 years has got to say something about their quality. http://www.medschool.cm-uj.krakow.pl/
Another university in Poland offering 4 year MD program (in english)is
Karol Marcinkowski University of Medical Sciences in Poznan: http://www.mdprogram.com/
Personally, I don't know anything about it, but judging by the prestige, Jagiellonian U
definitely wins out.
And then there is Charles University in
Czech Republic: http://www.cuni.cz/cuni/ujop/medicine.html
But, as far as I know they only offer a 6 year curriculum (I might be wrong though).
Hope that helps.....
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I will generalize.
Most Eastern European med schools are complete packages--pre-basics, basics, clinicals, and a +/- 1 year Internship leading to licensure as a G.P. in the
country of the school. For the citizens of the country, this route is entirely standard and expected.
However, as indicated in this thread, there have been approximately 10 English med programmes connected to sometimes bulwark Eastern European universities that opened over the past 10 years or so. These programmes are, in most cases, entirely seperate from the programs for the nationals, except that students may rotate at the same sites, though not together. For English only speakers language learning WILL BE neccessary. The language of the country is taught as part of the curriculum during pre-basics and basics, and a test of proficiency is administered whose passage is neccessary to proceed to clinicals.
People considering these programmes should bear in mind that, though they are tied to sometimes bulwark universities, the tie is apparently only superficial, as the English programmes--students and, for the most part, faculty--are indeed seperate from the ones for the nationals. One does well to investigate the English programmes seperately on their own merits.
The schools are close to home for African and Middle Eastern nationals, and some have good success from these schools, and graduation from these even offers them a degree of prestige not afforded from their home schools (sometimes). One of the schools has even sought, and obtained, full recognition of its programme in several Afican and Middle Eastern nations, last I checked. I think the schools see this as a needed market for them, as not a great many Americans at present use them. (I can re-look for which exact school has attained this, I don't remember which right now--it is arguably the best option of all the EE schools in terms of their recognitions. Maybe someone else knows). I know one African national graduated from Semmelweiss (sp?) U in Hungary who is in an OB/GYN residency in the U.S.
Living in EE is a growth inducing experience for all who venture and respond well to new enviros. Language learning cannot but be advantageous. I would urge all who go to these schools to enroll in language study PRIOR med study, and not JUST the concurrent material.
That is the long and short on these schools, from my perspective.
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Most Eastern European med schools are complete packages--pre-basics, basics, clinicals, and a +/- 1 year Internship leading to licensure as a G.P. in the
country of the school. For the citizens of the country, this route is entirely standard and expected.
However, as indicated in this thread, there have been approximately 10 English med programmes connected to sometimes bulwark Eastern European universities that opened over the past 10 years or so. These programmes are, in most cases, entirely seperate from the programs for the nationals, except that students may rotate at the same sites, though not together. For English only speakers language learning WILL BE neccessary. The language of the country is taught as part of the curriculum during pre-basics and basics, and a test of proficiency is administered whose passage is neccessary to proceed to clinicals.
People considering these programmes should bear in mind that, though they are tied to sometimes bulwark universities, the tie is apparently only superficial, as the English programmes--students and, for the most part, faculty--are indeed seperate from the ones for the nationals. One does well to investigate the English programmes seperately on their own merits.
The schools are close to home for African and Middle Eastern nationals, and some have good success from these schools, and graduation from these even offers them a degree of prestige not afforded from their home schools (sometimes). One of the schools has even sought, and obtained, full recognition of its programme in several Afican and Middle Eastern nations, last I checked. I think the schools see this as a needed market for them, as not a great many Americans at present use them. (I can re-look for which exact school has attained this, I don't remember which right now--it is arguably the best option of all the EE schools in terms of their recognitions. Maybe someone else knows). I know one African national graduated from Semmelweiss (sp?) U in Hungary who is in an OB/GYN residency in the U.S.
Living in EE is a growth inducing experience for all who venture and respond well to new enviros. Language learning cannot but be advantageous. I would urge all who go to these schools to enroll in language study PRIOR med study, and not JUST the concurrent material.
That is the long and short on these schools, from my perspective.
[This message has been edited by Stephen Ewen (edited 04-23-2000).]
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The Malta Medical School http://www.cis.um.edu.mt
The Faculty of Medicine, HKU http://www.hku.hk/facmed/frames.htm
PALACKY UNIV MEDICAL SCHOOL,Chzc http://www.lawfirmusa.com/palackymed/
University Medical School of Debrecen, Hungary http://www.eduoffice.dote.hu/
Homepage of the English Program for International Students in Medicine http://www.eduoffice.dote.hu/
Semmelweis University of Medicine, Hungary http://www.sote.hu/index_en.html
Albert Szent-Gy?rgyi Medical University, Hungary http://www.szote.u-szeged.hu/
European Medical Schools Home Page http://www.yi.com/emsis/index.php
Vilnius University Faculty of Medicine, Lithuania http://www.vu.lt/english/menu/depar/medic.htm
Lithuanian Language Cources http://www.vu.lt/english/menu/stude/cours.htm
University of Medicine and Pharmacy Iasi, Romania http://www.umfiasi.ro/
Lviv Medical University, Ukraine - Foreign medical training http://www.meduniv.lviv.ua/foreign.html
Karol Marcinkowski University of Medical Sciences, Poland http://www.corvestor.com/
National University of Lesotho http://www.nul.ls/
Jessenius Faculty of Medicine Comenius University MARTIN, Slovak Repub http://www.jfmed.uniba.sk/www/index_en.html
The Faculty of Medicine, HKU http://www.hku.hk/facmed/frames.htm
PALACKY UNIV MEDICAL SCHOOL,Chzc http://www.lawfirmusa.com/palackymed/
University Medical School of Debrecen, Hungary http://www.eduoffice.dote.hu/
Homepage of the English Program for International Students in Medicine http://www.eduoffice.dote.hu/
Semmelweis University of Medicine, Hungary http://www.sote.hu/index_en.html
Albert Szent-Gy?rgyi Medical University, Hungary http://www.szote.u-szeged.hu/
European Medical Schools Home Page http://www.yi.com/emsis/index.php
Vilnius University Faculty of Medicine, Lithuania http://www.vu.lt/english/menu/depar/medic.htm
Lithuanian Language Cources http://www.vu.lt/english/menu/stude/cours.htm
University of Medicine and Pharmacy Iasi, Romania http://www.umfiasi.ro/
Lviv Medical University, Ukraine - Foreign medical training http://www.meduniv.lviv.ua/foreign.html
Karol Marcinkowski University of Medical Sciences, Poland http://www.corvestor.com/
National University of Lesotho http://www.nul.ls/
Jessenius Faculty of Medicine Comenius University MARTIN, Slovak Repub http://www.jfmed.uniba.sk/www/index_en.html
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If I am not mistaken, it is Southampton.
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About that school (looked over it's website)
do you think I would be harder for an american grad. to get? How does it rank against the competitivness of american schools? I mean is it a waste of time to consider them? It seems like thier misson is to graduate more English Doctors not American ones. Thanks!
do you think I would be harder for an american grad. to get? How does it rank against the competitivness of american schools? I mean is it a waste of time to consider them? It seems like thier misson is to graduate more English Doctors not American ones. Thanks!
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These will keep all busy, even as it seems the schools themselves have been busy giving us all something more to look at.
Medical School "AIETI", Tbilisi (Georgia) http://nt1.nilc.org.ge/pages/health/aieti/aieti.htm
Tbilisi State Medical University, Tbilisi (Georgia) http://www.nilc.org.ge/
Faculty of Medicine, Masaryk University, Brno (Czech Republic) http://www.med.muni.cz/
YEREVAN STATE MEDICAL UNIVERSITY http://www.arminco.com/hayknet/ermi/un-ermae.htm
Medical University - Sofia, Bulgaria http://www.medun.acad.bg/training.html
Higher Medical Institute in Plovdiv http://www.ceebd.co.uk/ceeed/un/bg/bg027.htm
Medical University - Varna http://www.ceebd.co.uk/bg028/
Thracian University - Stara Zagora http://www.ceebd.co.uk/ceeed/un/bg/bg021.htm
LATVIAN UNIVERSITY FACULTY OF MEDICINE http://www.lu.lv/e_strukt/fakult/med/guide.html
Medical Academy of Latvia http://www.aml.lv/AML_01_e.htm
Kaunas University of Medicine http://www.ceebd.co.uk/ceeed/un/li/li001.htm
University of Medicine and Pharmacy "Gr.T.Popa" http://www.med.muni.cz/
University of Medicine and Pharmacy of Timisoara http://www.umft.ro/en/admission/admission.html
Faculty of Medicine in Novi Sad http://www.medical.ns.ac.yu/work/english/4.html
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P.S., Aronx: most U.K. schools will require Americans to have a solid 3.4 GPA for serious consideration.
Medical School "AIETI", Tbilisi (Georgia) http://nt1.nilc.org.ge/pages/health/aieti/aieti.htm
Tbilisi State Medical University, Tbilisi (Georgia) http://www.nilc.org.ge/
Faculty of Medicine, Masaryk University, Brno (Czech Republic) http://www.med.muni.cz/
YEREVAN STATE MEDICAL UNIVERSITY http://www.arminco.com/hayknet/ermi/un-ermae.htm
Medical University - Sofia, Bulgaria http://www.medun.acad.bg/training.html
Higher Medical Institute in Plovdiv http://www.ceebd.co.uk/ceeed/un/bg/bg027.htm
Medical University - Varna http://www.ceebd.co.uk/bg028/
Thracian University - Stara Zagora http://www.ceebd.co.uk/ceeed/un/bg/bg021.htm
LATVIAN UNIVERSITY FACULTY OF MEDICINE http://www.lu.lv/e_strukt/fakult/med/guide.html
Medical Academy of Latvia http://www.aml.lv/AML_01_e.htm
Kaunas University of Medicine http://www.ceebd.co.uk/ceeed/un/li/li001.htm
University of Medicine and Pharmacy "Gr.T.Popa" http://www.med.muni.cz/
University of Medicine and Pharmacy of Timisoara http://www.umft.ro/en/admission/admission.html
Faculty of Medicine in Novi Sad http://www.medical.ns.ac.yu/work/english/4.html
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P.S., Aronx: most U.K. schools will require Americans to have a solid 3.4 GPA for serious consideration.
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Here are the other three. What I will say about them is that of course the quality is excellent, but that learning a non latin-based language can be musch more difficult than one related to English. Last I have known, learning Hebrew is required at them all.
http://www.technion.ac.il/medicine/
http://medic.bgu.ac.il/
http://www.md.huji.ac.il/
http://www.technion.ac.il/medicine/
http://medic.bgu.ac.il/
http://www.md.huji.ac.il/
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PB
Thank you all so much for your great advice and information! I've learned a lot of good/bad things about foreign schools from this site! It's helping me in my decision about where to go!
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Hello, try checking out University Medical School of Debrecen at www.dote.hu
The school is tough, but the education is excellent!! I am currently a student there. If you have any questions, feel free to E-mail me at [email protected]
The school is tough, but the education is excellent!! I am currently a student there. If you have any questions, feel free to E-mail me at [email protected]
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Following up on what you said, Stephen... is it really that low? A 3.4? GPAs are so competitive stateside that most medical colleges accept average GPAs of 3.7 or higher. In any case, your info has me excited again. I had considered medical schools in England but was boggled by trying to figure if I met the proper A-level requirements (I still have no definite idea on what is equivalent to an A-level here), and am also discouraged by the limited number of seats available for foreign (especially American) applicants. To pick a (poor) example off the top of my head, Oxford reserves merely seven places for non-English students... and the majority, if not all, of these places are taken by European students. Of course, this is Oxford we're talking about, so I admit the example is shaky.
Anyhow, if there is more input to be had in this vein, I'd be much obliged! Please email me at [email protected].
Jason
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Anyhow, if there is more input to be had in this vein, I'd be much obliged! Please email me at [email protected].
Jason
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This is my first time posting here...I hope I am doing this right
About Oxford..not quite..
the 7 they admit are students from outside the European Economic Union--a student from Belguim is not considered foreigh but one from Canada is... (the Torys were in power for all the 80s and couldn't hold this silly stuff off?) My understanding is that they only get 60 or so applications for this a year as it is.
To study medicine at Oxford you must take a BA in Physiology THERE as the first part of it...and you would get one year off of it if you had a BA from a foreign (ie, US, Canadian, et c.) school. The clinical work would most likely have to be completed elsewhere (not Oxford-town) and you would be able to get the MB in 6 years (5 with a BA elsewhere.) Needless to say it is very competative there now--and changes in the rules mean that they do not accept students wanting only to do the pre-clinical part there before returning to the US (or whereever) to finish the clinical training for graduation with an MD elsewhere...
If I was given the opportunity to do I I would jump--no matter the fire ring jumping I had to do, but I have always had a secret desire to go to Oxford...
My apologies for the typing...I am learning the horrors of a new "split keyboard"..they suck..don't ever get one..
Best Wishes to all...ja
About Oxford..not quite..
the 7 they admit are students from outside the European Economic Union--a student from Belguim is not considered foreigh but one from Canada is... (the Torys were in power for all the 80s and couldn't hold this silly stuff off?) My understanding is that they only get 60 or so applications for this a year as it is.
To study medicine at Oxford you must take a BA in Physiology THERE as the first part of it...and you would get one year off of it if you had a BA from a foreign (ie, US, Canadian, et c.) school. The clinical work would most likely have to be completed elsewhere (not Oxford-town) and you would be able to get the MB in 6 years (5 with a BA elsewhere.) Needless to say it is very competative there now--and changes in the rules mean that they do not accept students wanting only to do the pre-clinical part there before returning to the US (or whereever) to finish the clinical training for graduation with an MD elsewhere...
If I was given the opportunity to do I I would jump--no matter the fire ring jumping I had to do, but I have always had a secret desire to go to Oxford...
My apologies for the typing...I am learning the horrors of a new "split keyboard"..they suck..don't ever get one..
Best Wishes to all...ja
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Thanks for your reply! That's what I've been needing to know for a LONG time and never could get straight... even from the colleges themselves! I tell you, my premedical advisors here are cack. Anyhow, if I went to an English school for preclinical years, I would be hanging around for the clinical as well. There's no sense in jumping ship halfway through.
The biggest question I have remaining, though, is... ta da! Do English schools confer the same medical degree that American ones do? In other words, if I graduated with a BM BCh, would I be able to practice medicine in America as an MD? And if these degrees are NOT the same, does there exist a postgraduate course in England that gives you a doctorate in medicine? All who answer will be appreciated.
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Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night,
God said "Let Newton be," and all was light.
-- Alexander Pope
The biggest question I have remaining, though, is... ta da! Do English schools confer the same medical degree that American ones do? In other words, if I graduated with a BM BCh, would I be able to practice medicine in America as an MD? And if these degrees are NOT the same, does there exist a postgraduate course in England that gives you a doctorate in medicine? All who answer will be appreciated.
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God said "Let Newton be," and all was light.
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Well, where one does pre-clinical is on campus there and then the clinical work is in a hospital (duh!) But what I am saying is that a student may be at Nottingham to do pre-clinical work and then end up at a hospital in London for the clerkships... There is no guarentee that you would stay on your own campus to do that...and my limited understanding is that you rarely do..
The American MD is not a real doctorate and is a recent invention... Many places in the world (including Oxford) offer medicine as an undergraduate course of study...you may get a BA half-way through it but you finish with a Bachelor of Medicine (the appropriate first degree in any subject.) Then in Residency (or after,) you would undertake a serious and rigorous research project and would produce a disseration. You would then become a Doctor of Medicine ( a real doctorate..meaning you are qualified to teach and designated with the letters DM....)
The only difference between a MB and MD are a few years of liberal arts training--which i happen to agree with--and MBs can be licensed in the US..surely a British degree would be recognized as legit without any problem.. Though technically the MB is not entitled to use the term "doctor," most people call him or her that as a matter of form...
Soccer? All us good Anglophiles love Rugby..lol
Take care...
The American MD is not a real doctorate and is a recent invention... Many places in the world (including Oxford) offer medicine as an undergraduate course of study...you may get a BA half-way through it but you finish with a Bachelor of Medicine (the appropriate first degree in any subject.) Then in Residency (or after,) you would undertake a serious and rigorous research project and would produce a disseration. You would then become a Doctor of Medicine ( a real doctorate..meaning you are qualified to teach and designated with the letters DM....)
The only difference between a MB and MD are a few years of liberal arts training--which i happen to agree with--and MBs can be licensed in the US..surely a British degree would be recognized as legit without any problem.. Though technically the MB is not entitled to use the term "doctor," most people call him or her that as a matter of form...
Soccer? All us good Anglophiles love Rugby..lol
Take care...
Originally posted by Socceroo4ever:
Thanks for your reply! That's what I've been needing to know for a LONG time and never could get straight... even from the colleges themselves! I tell you, my premedical advisors here are cack. Anyhow, if I went to an English school for preclinical years, I would be hanging around for the clinical as well. There's no sense in jumping ship halfway through.
The biggest question I have remaining, though, is... ta da! Do English schools confer the same medical degree that American ones do? In other words, if I graduated with a BM BCh, would I be able to practice medicine in America as an MD? And if these degrees are NOT the same, does there exist a postgraduate course in England that gives you a doctorate in medicine? All who answer will be appreciated.
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Ewwww... rugby... football, mate, football! Liverpool is going up!!!
Thanks for your input! I think I understand more how this system works. As it is, I think you're right about English physicians being able to practice here. Do you know what differences there are between working as a physician in England as opposed to the States? Do you get paid less, is health care managed (forbid!), are there incentives for working rural areas, etc.? Also, how long is this doctorate program in England, in addition to the six (sometimes five) years for your MB?
I think others would benefit from this sort of information, so I have continued to ask these questions in the forum. However, should anyone feel the questions border on personal topics, please feel free to continue the discussion via email.
Thanks again!
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Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night,
God said "Let Newton be," and all was light.
-- Alexander Pope
Thanks for your input! I think I understand more how this system works. As it is, I think you're right about English physicians being able to practice here. Do you know what differences there are between working as a physician in England as opposed to the States? Do you get paid less, is health care managed (forbid!), are there incentives for working rural areas, etc.? Also, how long is this doctorate program in England, in addition to the six (sometimes five) years for your MB?
I think others would benefit from this sort of information, so I have continued to ask these questions in the forum. However, should anyone feel the questions border on personal topics, please feel free to continue the discussion via email.
Thanks again!
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Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night,
God said "Let Newton be," and all was light.
-- Alexander Pope
