family med doctor making $955,514.22?

Discussion in 'Canada' started by SFO-IST, Apr 25, 2012.

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  1. SFO-IST

    SFO-IST 7+ Year Member

    Feb 24, 2008
    I need help with wrapping my head around something. I was looking at the British Columbia bluebook which lists the salaries of all physicians. I randomly googled a family doctor in Kewlona, BC, and came up with Dr. Ronald George Cridland who seems to have earned $955,514.22 in 2011. I know this is before taxes and overhead, but my question is, how is this possible? Does he own a few clinics and other doctors somehow make it look like he's taking care of patients? There are others in more remote locations making in the 600,000's. how is this possible?
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  3. Oxer45

    Oxer45 2+ Year Member

    Feb 26, 2008
    If you read the fine print it says that is not net income. That is the total reimbursement docs get. Then the doc has to pay overhead, equipment, rent for office, bills, office staff, etc. Its kinda like how apple has sales of 20 billion but only makes 1 billion in profit.
  4. jok200

    jok200 7+ Year Member

    Feb 9, 2009
    dude... even with overhead that is a ridiculous amount of money, what is overhead in BC, 150,000 MAXXXXXXX..... other fees say another 100,000 the guy even after taxes is pulling over half a million, dude that is obscene.
  5. SFO-IST

    SFO-IST 7+ Year Member

    Feb 24, 2008
    After speaking to some doctors, it seems you are right. The higher compensation is due to remote fm docs doing more procedures that need expensive equipment. Unfortunately, unlike a hospital where there is a constant stream of patients to justify the cost, this margin is a lot smaller in rural settings. So the overhead is a much higher percentage of total cost.
  6. tsx09

    tsx09 2+ Year Member

    Apr 27, 2012
    some FPs also bill for a psych consult if they just ask 'how are you feeling?' I'm not saying that's what this guy has done but that there are many ways to ring up a nice bill
  7. sportsperson

    sportsperson Banned

    Apr 19, 2012
    Part of it can easily be explained. If you can see a large number of patients per day, you're halfway there to making a million a year. Then add in extra billings, procedures in rural settings, business techniques, etc. and profits can greatly rise. With overhead you're looking at 30-40% in general but this is the general number for general FM incomes (200-400k/year). If the guy is making about a million a year, he's paying no more than 200k to overhead and after taxes is indeed taking home ~500k/year.

    Family medicine tends to be fairly lucrative in Canada due to the mathematical possibility.
  8. gobigorgohome

    gobigorgohome Big Member 5+ Year Member

    May 16, 2010
    "Readers of this Schedule of Payments should understand that it provides only a record of gross payments. In some instances, the recorded figure is a payment for the services of a number of practitioners."
  9. Blitz2006

    Blitz2006 10+ Year Member

    Nov 20, 2006
    I didn't realize FM is that lucrative in Canada.

    However, what is the average FM salary in Vancouver/GTA? Would 200K be a fair figure to throw out?

    I know in rural areas guys are pulling in 500K...but what about large urban areas?
  10. jf1987

    jf1987 c/o 2016

    Jan 26, 2012
    Jerusalem, Israel
    My family doc in Vancouver billed 200K last year. My ex-girlfriend's father would make about 250k in Toronto but he worked a fair bit. It probably is close to 200K from everything I have read and heard.
  11. abstract1


    Dec 9, 2011
    It is likely that the doctor bills for several other procedures within the realm of family practice and is covering the costs of expeinsive equipement, especially in the more remote regions.Familly Dr.'s in more remote regions generally work a lot more and have more responsibilities as there are so few doctors. There was a story of a doctor in northern Ontario that had a family practice, did house calls, worked at a seniors homes and filled in at an urgent care centre ect.. He worked over 16 hours a day and he has been doing it for 20 years but was retiring. It is also like that this Dr. is probably a workaholic. Generally if you are the average familly doctor with a regular schedule you will likely earn between 250 000 and 400 000 in billings before overhead and taxes..
  12. C5toC9

    C5toC9 2+ Year Member

    May 30, 2010
    family medicine in canada is probably the most lucrative compared to any other country
  13. MonteCristo1927


    Jun 11, 2012
    yeap.... it's overpaid, for sure...
    I heard the living cost down there is extremely high though.... so it's relateive.
    Here in the other side of the country, NL, a family doctor is doing around 150.000 to 300.000 before taxes and stuff.... and the living cost is less cheaper than BC, of course...
    Still, a lot of money, I agree :)

  14. Substance

    Substance 5+ Year Member

    Jul 27, 2007
    Cridland runs a sleep clinic, and he has no competition, so he bills for all of the sleep studies.

    Office based family practice is a money loser, so those high billing doctors are probably making that a small part of their practice, if at all.

    The real way to make money in FP is by not practicing it.
  15. boanssi

    boanssi 5+ Year Member

    Jul 18, 2012
    Even so, many of those salaries are just unreal. I found a paediatrician who was making around $800.000. Are doctors in Canada better paid than in the US?
  16. firetown

    firetown Member 7+ Year Member

    Feb 10, 2005
    Not sure you know what you are talking about. I know of only office based FP's in Alberta who bill over 500k in their pratices.
  17. septoplasty

    septoplasty Exceptional 5+ Year Member

    Nov 10, 2010
    Call Room
    Definitely not, particularly if you look at where the practice is based. If you put it anywhere in Ontario, tax on $800,000 is $355000 so you're left with $445000, now I haven't ruled in overhead etc, which would easily cut down maybe 25% or so, and you're looking at $333 750... this is if you are making $800K, which probably wont happen unless you work in a remote area far far away from a city. Coupled with the high costs of living (yes, costs of living in remote area tend to be higher than cities), you're averaging the same if you worked at a midsize city in the US (not to mention US has a far less cost of living).
  18. sgogeta4


    Aug 30, 2011
    Don't forget that they have no pension plan, no personal insurance plan, benefits, etc. That and the number of hours worked and the education cost, the compensation is not much greater than a teacher in terms of 20 year average rate per hour.
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    Oct 22, 2012
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  21. jnuts

    jnuts 7+ Year Member

    Jun 12, 2007
    Toronto/ Dublin
    Read: high numbers may be the billings of a group of multiple physicians.

  22. step2cspass


    Feb 28, 2012
    just one point of reference for these salaries.......these are in CANADIAN dollars......meaning that the currency is valid as a point of reference only in the home average house; an AVERAGE house, costs over 400k in toronto and over 500k in vancouver people........

    canadian dollars; and canadian physician incomes need to be taken into context in canada.........
  23. IGotGas


    Mar 14, 2013
    Um, the US and Canadian dollars are virtually equal. Unless you're writing from the 1990's or something.
  24. step2cspass


    Feb 28, 2012
    that's because of a weak us economy; historically, it's been 1 us - 1.3 cad.....prices in canada reflect minimum wage is ~7......canadian is comparing usd to cad in 2 different countries with different costs of living is irrelevant.....

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