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This is a question for the male surgeons: do you have the impression that female surgeons are control freaks? Tend to micromanage everything? Just curious...
this post more relates to the word surgeon than female, i dont think gender matters when talkn about surgeons micromanagingThis is a question for the male surgeons: do you have the impression that female surgeons are control freaks? Tend to micromanage everything? Just curious...
I am always troubled when folks are so quick to inject gender or race into the equation. Another similar thread, in the absence of ANY real problems, in which gender was injected.This is a question for the male surgeons: do you have the impression that female surgeons are control freaks? Tend to micromanage everything?...
this post more relates to the word surgeon than female, i dont think gender matters when talkn about surgeons micromanaging
I am always troubled when folks are so quick to inject gender or race into the equation. Another similar thread, in the absence of ANY real problems, in which gender was injected.
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=723916
I suggest folks think about other possibilities beyond just gender and/or race.....
There is not reason to be troubled. Science has proved that major gender differences begin to take place very early in fetal life. These differences (brought about by sex-related hormones) do influence how men and women differ blatantly in their thinking, reasoning, emotions, communication style -- in essence -- behavior.
qft.
I appreciate this. However, one's behavior is far more complex then simply gender. My concern is the knee jerk reaction to go there first! In essence, using these difference to immediately "profile" a resident or professional. I also find residents so quick to climb into these profiles as I think was being done in the other thread I left linked. I refer to the realities as pointed out by others:...Science has proved that major gender differences begin to take place very early in fetal life. These differences (brought about by sex-related hormones) do influence how men and women differ blatantly in their thinking, reasoning, emotions, communication style -- in essence -- behavior.
Quite easy to simply use gender/race/orientation/lunar cycle to justify or make excuses. It is much harder to consider complex reality. The use of word "freak" and other such... well I leave it to others to infer.this post more relates to the word surgeon than female, i dont think gender matters when talkn about surgeons micromanaging
QFTI know that this means "quoted for truth," but I always think it means "Quit F-ing Talking." It confuses me, since they have opposite intentions.
I know that this means "quoted for truth," but I always think it means "Quit F-ing Talking." It confuses me, since they have opposite intentions.
When I first saw this I thought it was an acronym for some random function test I never heard of.. until I looked it up in the urban dictionary.I know that this means "quoted for truth," but I always think it means "Quit F-ing Talking." It confuses me, since they have opposite intentions.
Medicine in general and surgery & emergency in particular - are highly stressful areas. Very long hours, demands a lot physically and mentally - not to mention the amount of stress. My impression is that after so many years in medical school, then internship, and after that a general surgery or emergency residency - well, you're talking about being how old? ~ 35 years old? I wonder how females manage having a family. And when the baby comes what do you do? Day care? No one can question that bonding is an essential aspect of mother-child relationship and that children that have mothers that stay at home thrive.
really? Ok. no question, conversation done... not sure how it relates to opening salvo about control freaks and women...but don't really care either. Must agree::troll:...No one can question that bonding is an essential aspect of mother-child relationship and that children that have mothers that stay at home thrive.
Medicine in general and surgery & emergency in particular - are highly stressful areas. Very long hours, demands a lot physically and mentally - not to mention the amount of stress. My impression is that after so many years in medical school, then internship, and after that a general surgery or emergency residency - well, you're talking about being how old? ~ 35 years old? I wonder how females manage having a family. And when the baby comes what do you do? Day care? No one can question that bonding is an essential aspect of mother-child relationship and that children that have mothers that stay at home thrive.
I know that this means "quoted for truth," but I always think it means "Quit F-ing Talking." It confuses me, since they have opposite intentions.
And when the baby comes what do you do? Day care? No one can question that bonding is an essential aspect of mother-child relationship and that children that have mothers that stay at home thrive.
I've known a few surgeons who were major control freaks. Micromanaging everything, causing lab staff to live under terror and being a hell for all faculty members. . . Perhaps this surgeon represents a small percentage of the surgeon population. I don't know. But, sounds like crazy to put your career above your own family...
I've known a few veterinarians who liked to wear women's underwear. Shopping at Victoria's Secret, causing lab staff to live under terror and being a hell for all faculty members. One of these veterinarians did not hesitate to use the common work area computers to browse the internet for thongs and nipple pasties. The veterinarian actually did this twice! And the garments in question were not for medical reasons. Perhaps this veterinarian represents a small percentage of the veterinarian population. I don't know. But, sounds like crazy to put your personal preference for lingerie above your own career and animal patient welfare...
Let's play Mad Libs. I like my version better.
Let's play Mad Libs. I like my version better.
...plus you're just a medical student... you haven't yet felt the full reality of the surgical working environment. So, why are you trying to present a version that is better?
Apologies, but, the majority of vertrinarians I know or have spoken with have not felt the "full reality of the surgical working environment". In fact, most clinics and vets I have spoken with have techs performing the procedures spay/neuter/etc... The other stuff is often rare and does not represent a "reality" experience of "surgical working environment". Thus, vets often have very, very nice work hours of 9-5 and plenty of weekends off....you haven't yet felt the full reality of the surgical working environment......says the trolling veterinarian?
I bit my tongue on this one for awhile. I cringe to respond. But, I need to disagree a little. Just as presuming a certain behavior is based on a gender/race/religion/orientation/etc... is too simplistic, so is presuming these factors have "nothing to do with it". These are factors that have profound impacts on who we are and how we interact with the world....Being a woman has nothing to do with it.
Apologies, but, the majority of vertrinarians I know or have spoken with have not felt the "full reality of the surgical working environment". In fact, most clinics and vets I have spoken with have techs performing the procedures spay/neuter/etc... The other stuff is often rare and does not represent a "reality" experience of "surgical working environment". Thus, vets often have very, very nice work hours of 9-5 and plenty of weekends off.
Have you ever seen your pet operated on? I would have no way of knowing who operated on my dogs when I was growing up. We dropped them off at the door and came back to pick them up the next day.I would not take my pets to those vets! I (personally) have never been to a vet clinic where techs perform surgery. In regards to hours - you likely haven't been to specialty practices or referral hospitals, have you? Most vets work 15-16h day, particularly diplomats in emergency and critical care.
Actually, yes I have...... In regards to hours - you likely haven't been to specialty practices or referral hospitals, have you?...
I would be surprised to see that. I suspect "most vets" do NOT work as "emergency and critical care". I suspect "most vets" do NOT work in "specialty practices or referral hospitals" (though they may list their clinic as one). It would appear "most vets" in all the cities I have been to have very set/specific hours (not even close to 15-16hr days) they work with alot of kennel service sales and medication/food sales...... They are usually a spay/neuter machine (mostly via tech, under conditions most people would find apalling) and/or "naturaL food"/pet herbs sales, vaccine sales, etc.......Most vets work 15-16h day, particularly diplomats in emergency and critical care.
Having spent much time in 3 South Am countries, having a few South Am vets as very, very good drinking partners, I didn't see the kind of hours the OP suggests. Agreed, I don't know what each country in South Am vets do...To be fair, the OP is not from the US, and just as we don't *really* know the working conditions of vets in the US, we certainly don't know much about it in South America.
....my vet - ...has a practice with 2 other vets and works ...less than 40 hours per week, although she does have paperwork to do at home.
My grad school boyfriend was a pre-vet major who worked at one of those Emergency Vet Clinics - open 24 hrs. The vets there work shifts, and not 15-16 hr ones. I don't know if this is typical, but they worked 8 hour shifts. ...never stayed until the afternoon (he went into work at 11 pm), I highly doubt the vets were working the hours that the OP claims the vets in his country work.
actually.... yes! Had to have some chewing physical therapy too... i am so embarassed. My pets are a project. Everything pet insurance does not cover... my little ones have.Braces? Did your goggie have teeth whitening too?
...plus you're just a medical student... you haven't yet felt the full reality of the surgical working environment. So, why are you trying to present a version that is better?
And you are a Vet... unless you went to med school, residency, and practiced MEDICINE, a medical student, particularly a 4th year, would probably have a better perspective than you.
So you are anti-vaccine , anti-choice to the extreme, anti-woman, and anti-american. I can see how every one of your threads degrading into everyone, even those that might support your view, bashing you personally...
Anti-Choice - you're very wrong here. I am totally pro-choice. I am totally in favor of giving the unborn, defenseless child a choice to live. If you are not pro-life, I am sure you are in the wrong, wrong career. You'd better change to something else. Anything, but medicine please!
Anti-woman - Not at all. I just see so many unhappy "career women" out there. They make huge efforts to wear the pants and prove that they can be like men" to obtain a sense of "self worth" and to be fully accepted as important individuals. Self worth will never come this way. It's a futile attempt. In addition, I am happily married. Have a wonderful wife, who, after becoming a mother realized there is nothing more fulfilling. So, she quit her career and has the most important job in this world: nurturing, loving and raising our children.
Anti-American? Where did you get THAT from? (LOL)! Amazing! So, now if you are pro-Constitution you are anti-American? First, I AM a US Citizen. Second, I come from a military family. I definitely am AGAINST this fake, deceptive, ANTI-PEOPLE, UNCONSTITUTIONAL, imperialistic form of government that we have. I love liberty. I love freedom. Governments don't do any good. They are the cause of humanity's main problems and pains. It saddens me (deeply) to see America so far away from the principles of our Founding Fathers and Americans so oblivious to what is really going on. "Anti-American" - LOL!!!
Any more accusations?
Can we have this thread now moved to the sociopolitical forum along with the other threads initiated by this k9 vet?
...QFT?
Or just close it down before he responds again. This isn't going anywhere.Can we have this thread now moved to the sociopolitical forum along with the other threads initiated by this k9 vet?
...QFT?