First Aid for step 2 cs cases - GIVE ME A BREAK?!

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Hey everyone,

So Im reading through this book (test on Wednesday) and they want you to order things I haven't even heard of before - electronystagmography? AM I GOING TO NOT PASS BECAUSE OF THESE CRAZY TESTS?


Please tell me some of you encountered the same thing? I'm freaking out! :scared:
 
That book is overkill. Don't fret. Stick with the everyday stuff & you'll be good. 🙂

Big picture: introduce yourself, use the pt's name at least once, drape the pt, wash your hands, by empathetic, answer their questions, write a legible note.
 
DrMom said:
That book is overkill. Don't fret. Stick with the everyday stuff & you'll be good. 🙂

Big picture: introduce yourself, use the pt's name at least once, drape the pt, wash your hands, by empathetic, answer their questions, write a legible note.


whew thanks DrMOM!! I was really starting to tear my hair out! I'm like, oh no, I shoulda took this right after medicine or something! 😳
 
DrMom said:
That book is overkill. Don't fret. Stick with the everyday stuff & you'll be good. 🙂

Big picture: introduce yourself, use the pt's name at least once, drape the pt, wash your hands, by empathetic, answer their questions, write a legible note.

I kinda of liked that book. 😳 I know. I know. I'm a freak. 😛 I do hope Dr Mom is right about the big picture though. I did all of those things, so I hope I passed. Should know sometime this week since score was released on Jan 11. :scared:
 
Keep in mind that I took the DO version, but from all descriptions the exams are essentially the same except that we have to do some OMM.

I found the book to be helpful for making me think through some case scenarios in advance even though I wasn't going to do anything in anywhere near that depth.
 
Just having passed the test, I can tell you that First Aid is pretty good...

But, the test sucked. It was worse than the other two, IMHO, because at least with step 1 and CK, you had an idea of how you did when you left the exam. This exam is so subjective, it drove me nuts!

Some hints:
Do the same thing with every patient, history and exam-wise, with small variations. For me it was PAMHUGFOSS, with a few questions directed at the chief complaint. On the physical, I did HEENT, Lungs, Heart and Abd exam for all, and then did whatever system the chief complaint allowed for. (ie, HA, do a neuro, DM look at their feet and do a fundo (which i never freakin did), hurt something do a musculoskeltal assess). When you do the PE, just freakin pretend. I didn't find one positive finding, and I don't expect many do. Even if there is one, you won't fail for missing it. Do all the steps (ie inspect, percuss, palpate, ascultate) but do it quickly and not with the intent of finding anything. Just get them to mark it off on the list.

Basically, by doing the same minimal exam plus one specific, you are guaranteeing points. And, it leaves little room for the panicky moments where you will forget everything. I don't know anyone that didn't forget to do some things (I did not do a single fundoscopic exam, for example). But if you hit the high spots, and stick to a routine you should be fine.

Remember that they really have no way of knowing if you actually did an abd exam, or if you just pushed on the belly. So, get through it.

In terms of communication: be nice, be supportive, respect comfort of the patient, always tell them what you are going to do, ask about sex, smoking, drugs and drinking and offer to help them quit bad habits. Tell them your differential, and what you will do.

I spent about 2-3 minutes doing a history, about 2-3 minutes doing the exam, and another 3-5 minutes talking to them...I was out early every time, which gave me time to write a good note.

In the note, just get a good differential, and order reasonable tests. Document whatever you can fit that is pertinent. And, I would highly recommend that you don't document something you didn't do, as I would imagine that would be a big red mark.

The most important thing to remember is that this test is a joke. Do what they want you to do...go through the motions. Remeber, they are acting like patients, you are acting like a doctor. You are not being graded on your ability to examine, but rather you ability to talk, and to know what exams to do, devlop a DDx and figure out what studies to run. It is really easy, just give them what they want, and don't stress about any part of it.
 
Here is my question: are these supposed to be focused H&P and write a general progress type note or are they supposed to be first patient encounters and write all the past medical hx, family hx, etc. ? I keep hearing it both ways. Are there any specific instructions about this given on the test or do people just guess and hope they are right?
 
Ice-1 said:
Here is my question: are these supposed to be focused H&P and write a general progress type note or are they supposed to be first patient encounters and write all the past medical hx, family hx, etc. ? I keep hearing it both ways. Are there any specific instructions about this given on the test or do people just guess and hope they are right?


there are no real instructions. typically, it was HPI, PAMHUGSFOSS, and then PE (general, HEENT, cardio, resp, abd, whatever). then a space for up to 5 differential, and up to 5 tests, if I recall correctly.

the PAMHUGSFOSS was plenty as far as previous history was concerned, and plenty for ROS beyond the HPI. i would avoid treating it like a follow up type visit. treat it like a focused first visit, as that is exactly what it is to you.
 
(i edited this because i realized it could be construed as giving exam specific info....don't want any trouble with the NBME! sorry....) 😱
 
neilc, thanks mate! That seemed like an honest exam experience and the first one that I came across! Your opinion seems pretty practical and feasible.
 
Could i get a copy of the pamhogfoss as well?
thank you for a very calming and helpful post.
streetdoc
 
Poety said:
Hey everyone,

So Im reading through this book (test on Wednesday) and they want you to order things I haven't even heard of before - electronystagmography? AM I GOING TO NOT PASS BECAUSE OF THESE CRAZY TESTS?


Please tell me some of you encountered the same thing? I'm freaking out! :scared:


DRMOM's advice is right on target. Unlike you, I used Kaplan's book to prepare but it too was trully overkill. The cases on the real exam are much more simple and chances are you've already seen everything that they're going to throw at you.

Follow the examples on this board and you will do fine. My best advice? Practice the cases beforehand, paying special attention to the 15 min time limit. It may sound like a lot of time, but for me introductions, handwashing, establishment of rapport, HPI/PMH/ROS, focused exam (particularly neuro cases), DDx, explanation of work-up, and counseling are much more timeconsuming!!!

Also, when you take the test, STAY CALM!!! Both myself and my classmates all made a few stupid mistakes on the test (I forgot to ask one patient about current meds + allergies!!!!) and we still passed. Trust your training and if you forget to do something do what I did: Document the fact you missed it and include it as part of your work-up.

Good Luck!!!
 
JetsPickVYoung said:
DRMOM's advice is right on target. Unlike you, I used Kaplan's book to prepare but it too was trully overkill. The cases on the real exam are much more simple and chances are you've already seen everything that they're going to throw at you.

Follow the examples on this board and you will do fine. My best advice? Practice the cases beforehand, paying special attention to the 15 min time limit. It may sound like a lot of time, but for me introductions, handwashing, establishment of rapport, HPI/PMH/ROS, focused exam (particularly neuro cases), DDx, explanation of work-up, and counseling are much more timeconsuming!!!

Also, when you take the test, STAY CALM!!! Both myself and my classmates all made a few stupid mistakes on the test (I forgot to ask one patient about current meds + allergies!!!!) and we still passed. Trust your training and if you forget to do something do what I did: Document the fact you missed it and include it as part of your work-up.

Good Luck!!!


Thanks so much for this advice!! I've been worried, but now I'm taking it in the afternoon when I feel I'll be more awake - I'll let you all know how it goes when I get back tonight.

I'm going to do as much as I can with the advice I've gotten here. I just really don't want to have to pay for this again. I have severe test anxiety so I'm hoping it will be ok.

I appreciate all your support!

Good luck to everyone else taking this test too 🙂
 
Hi All,

well I finished that ridiculous test which was utterly FAKE - I mean normally when I engage in conversation with my patients they don't stay in some weird role and not respond at all except with pertinent positives or negatives - it was BIZARRE.

Im glad its over- now I'm just praying I passed.

Thanks for all your well wishes and info everyone!

Poety 🙂
 
Poety said:
Hi All,

well I finished that ridiculous test which was utterly FAKE - I mean normally when I engage in conversation with my patients they don't stay in some weird role and not respond at all except with pertinent positives or negatives - it was BIZARRE.

Im glad its over- now I'm just praying I passed.

Thanks for all your well wishes and info everyone!

Poety 🙂

Yeah, I thought the same thing about the SP's.

It felt like they were robots.

I think that is because they are probably trained that way to try to be as standard (boring) as possible, so that we can have a fair exam.
 
Poety, it would be great if you could elaborate a bit more on the actual exam..
 
Poety said:
well I finished that ridiculous test which was utterly FAKE - I mean normally when I engage in conversation with my patients they don't stay in some weird role and not respond at all except with pertinent positives or negatives - it was BIZARRE.

Exactly. This robotic behavior is so pronounced, in fact, that I seriously thought the first couple of actors I saw were trying to imitate a psychiatric disorder. But after I noticed that all the SPs were behaving this way, I figured out what was going on.
 
hi. i was wondering how long can one possibly have to study for Step CS to say it is sufficient to be comfortable with it. Based on everyone's experience what is the best book to use...i may only have 2 weeks....HELP!!!!
 
I havent taken step1 nor step 2 but have studied for them do you all think its essential to take 1 or 2 before CS?n or will i be able to be ok taking CS without them. its just that i cant reschedule my CS no more available dates...HELP
 
Poety said:
Hey everyone,

So Im reading through this book (test on Wednesday) and they want you to order things I haven't even heard of before - electronystagmography? AM I GOING TO NOT PASS BECAUSE OF THESE CRAZY TESTS?


Please tell me some of you encountered the same thing? I'm freaking out! :scared:
The cases become increasingly difficult/complex as you do them. I'd focus on the first 6 or so. These are the types of patients you'll be likely to see and the complexity of their care.
 
future_OB said:
I havent taken step1 nor step 2 but have studied for them do you all think its essential to take 1 or 2 before CS?n or will i be able to be ok taking CS without them. its just that i cant reschedule my CS no more available dates...HELP
I'm confused. You're taking Step II CS before Step I? Are you sure about this?
 
P=past medical history
A= allergies
M= medications
H= hospitalizations
U= urological complaints
G= gastro intestinal complaints (N/V/D)
S= surgical history
F= family history
O= OB/GYN
S= sexual history
S= social history

(I took this from an old SDN post)



future_OB said:
yes do tell me also what PAMHUGSFOSS means thanks.
 
thanks so much lilybriscoe. so what do you guys think is the time frame to be considered sufficient for step 2 CS?
 
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