First face transplant

[HarveyCushing]

http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/news/82478.php

Discuss

---

Members don't see this ad.

 

[LJDHC05]

I saw that movie in 1997

Face/Off with Nick Cage and Travolta

Cool idea for burn victims, bad idea for druglords/mobsters. I dont like plastic surgery in the first place for vanity purposes, but appreciate the necessity in disfigurements. Will people purposefully disfigure themselves to have another face and how far will it go?

 

[Psycho Doctor]

Let's think about it...how many people are going to donate their loved ones face?

Will they have an open or closed casket?

Will the recepient walk around funeral parlors and choose which face they want???

Let's think of the poor family who just lost their loved one.

 

[Shredder]

Let's think about it...how many people are going to donate their loved ones face?

Will they have an open or closed casket?

Will the recepient walk around funeral parlors and choose which face they want???

Let's think of the poor family who just lost their loved one.

everything has a price tag

 

[Psycho Doctor]

everything has a price tag

donors don't get paid; besides that's disgusting

 

[Shredder]

donors don't get paid; besides that's disgusting

oh geez, no $? wheres the incentive then. if you dont create a free market, a black market will form.

 

[DrBowtie]

oh geez, no $? wheres the incentive then. if you dont create a free market, a black market will form.

Very True. An open market would be regulated (I.E stock market)

 

[Psycho Doctor]

oh geez, no $? wheres the incentive then. if you dont create a free market, a black market will form.

some families donate because it was their loved one's desire. some people (the one who dies and/or their family) donate for humanitarian reasons and some families donate because they feel their loved one will live on with a beating heart (etc) in someone's body. somehow walking around with your loved one's face is totally different.

 

[Shredder]

some families donate because it was their loved one's desire. some people (the one who dies and/or their family) donate for humanitarian reasons and some families donate because they feel their loved one will live on with a beating heart (etc) in someone's body. somehow walking around with your loved one's face is totally different.

oh, donating to someone you know is sick. it has to be a stranger. you cant rely on people's humanitarian side to get things done, there will always be shortages. the market thing is just like organ donations, there should probably be an organ SEC. i bet really rich people find ways to get organs fast, by lots of bribery. their lives are worth too much to wait in lines.

 

[CTSballer11]

oh, donating to someone you know is sick. it has to be a stranger. you cant rely on people's humanitarian side to get things done, there will always be shortages. the market thing is just like organ donations, there should probably be an organ SEC. i bet really rich people find ways to get organs fast, by lots of bribery. their lives are worth too much to wait in lines.

According to USA today approximately 16 Americans die a day while waiting for an organ transplant. Read this article it was written in 2003, some people feel that if there were incentives (financial) to donate, more people would.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/2003-07-23-reed_x.htm

 

[Psycho Doctor]

According to USA today approximately 16 Americans die a day while waiting for an organ transplant. Read this article it was written in 2003, some people feel that if there were incentives (financial) to donate, more people would.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/2003-07-23-reed_x.htm

sadly i'm sure that's true, and I'm sure those of us who have lost a loved one waiting for a transplant would have given our life's earnings to save them

 

[masterMood]

notice that the article says that it's the skull and the facial bones that characterize the face more than anything else. Be it as it may, I wouldn't want to be the 1st, or 2nd, or even 100th person to go for this surgery until they perfect it.

 

[MoosePilot]

With the immense side effects, I'd only advocate this for people who'd really rather die than live with the disfigurements that they have. In my opinion, having transplant surgery is like winding a clock on the rest of your life. You're definitely living on borrowed time after that. If the alternative is worse, ok, but otherwise don't do it.

 

[andrew88]

some families donate because it was their loved one's desire. some people (the one who dies and/or their family) donate for humanitarian reasons and some families donate because they feel their loved one will live on with a beating heart (etc) in someone's body. somehow walking around with your loved one's face is totally different.

Indeed it is scary to think about, I conjure up images of texas chain saw massacre and friday the 13th, and psycho. ANd the black market for a face would be scary, in Iran instead of waking up in an ice tub filled with ice and being short a kidney, now you don't have a mug.

 

[CTSballer11]

sadly i'm sure that's true, and I'm sure those of us who have lost a loved one waiting for a transplant would have given our life's earnings to save them

It is sad that someone who is dead and there organs are of no use to them would not give them up to save a few lives. If compensating a family member will help, I am for it.

 

[anystream]

I can't help but think of the perspective of the patient on this issue. Sure, it seems a little grotesque, but the things some people go through when disfigured from burns or cancer are heartbreaking.

"It's essential that people understand this surgery is not for vanity. The people seeking facial transplants are isolated and desperate," said Dr. Maria Siemionow

 

[unfrozencaveman]

notice that the article says that it's the skull and the facial bones that characterize the face more than anything else. Be it as it may, I wouldn't want to be the 1st, or 2nd, or even 100th person to go for this surgery until they perfect it.

Be that as it may, I once observed a surgery in which an incision was made across the top of the scalp (ear to ear), and the skin of the face was pulled away. It basically came off like a rubber mask- retaining the features. I couldnt believe it. In fact, I almost passed out. Anyway, it's a good thing you wear those masks in surgery, because there is no way I could have concealed the horror written all over my own face.
In summary, it was awesome.

 

[Shredder]

If compensating a family member will help, I am for it.

when you have willing buyers and willing sellers, i dont see why not. of course...thats also the case with drugs. if you legalize the organ business and make the punishment stiff enough to discourage off the books trading, it should work out ok

 

[Shredder]

Be that as it may, I once observed a surgery in which an incision was made across the top of the scalp (ear to ear), and the skin of the face was pulled away. It basically came off like a rubber mask- retaining the features. I couldnt believe it. In fact, I almost passed out. Anyway, it's a good thing you wear those masks in surgery, because there is no way I could have concealed the horror written all over my own face.
In summary, it was awesome.

wow, thats a gruesome and fascinating shadowing story. it would make a great addition to an app and essays im sure. or you could just fabricate it

 

[DrBowtie]

Anyone else weirded out by facial cosmetic surgery? Like on Dr.90210 I saw the same thing where the doc had this womans whole face peeled back. It wasn't too pleasant looking. But then again, this is coming from a Rads/RadOnc "clean" specialists.

 

[unfrozencaveman]

Anyone else weirded out by facial cosmetic surgery? Like on Dr.90210 I saw the same thing where the doc had this womans whole face peeled back. It wasn't too pleasant looking. But then again, this is coming from a Rads/RadOnc "clean" specialists.

There were a number of disturbing factors in this case- first it was maybe the third time I had been in a hospital ever, and I was an undergrad preparing for a job in finance, so I was slightly ill prepared for it all.

Second, it was a newborn whose skull had collapsed during a vaginal birth.

Still, after a lot more clinical experience, and many many MANY gross things burned in my memory, that still takes the cake. It is weird. Very weird.

Didnt make it into the personal statement- even though it might have been responsible for a career about face and wanting to be a surgeon.

 

[Shredder]

There were a number of disturbing factors in this case- first it was maybe the third time I had been in a hospital ever, and I was an undergrad preparing for a job in finance, so I was slightly ill prepared for it all.

Second, it was a newborn whose skull had collapsed during a vaginal birth.

Still, after a lot more clinical experience, and many many MANY gross things burned in my memory, that still takes the cake. It is weird. Very weird.

Didnt make it into the personal statement- even though it might have been responsible for a career about face and wanting to be a surgeon.

come on, join the md/mba train, you know business has that allure! wow you got to see lots of exotic things in observations, definitely not the usual serving water, changing pillowcases, and reading bedtimes stories/playing board games.

 

[Babooshka]

Let's think about it...how many people are going to donate their loved ones face?

Will they have an open or closed casket?

Will the recepient walk around funeral parlors and choose which face they want???

Let's think of the poor family who just lost their loved one.

Apply the same scenerios to any other bodypart.

 

[Shredder]

Apply the same scenerios to any other bodypart.

well, its not really the same. other bodyparts are invisible after transplantation. they dont have aesthetic value. wouldnt the bounty be higher on hot faces than ugly faces? imagine what kind of bounties you could put on different peoples heads. any suggestions on whose bounty would be highest? lowest? negative bounty?

 

[unfrozencaveman]

come on, join the md/mba train, you know business has that allure! wow you got to see lots of exotic things in observations, definitely not the usual serving water, changing pillowcases, and reading bedtimes stories/playing board games.

Did my mom send you? She is still making the face I was in that surgery when I turned down a free MBA from my firm. I'd still want to do MD/MBA, but neglected to take the GRE's, and would only go to a few MBA programs anyway, and more than likely would not get into those med schools...

Does anyone want any suits? I have a few. Sad.

 

[Shredder]

I'd still want to do MD/MBA, but neglected to take the GRE's, and would only go to a few MBA programs anyway, and more than likely would not get into those med schools...

Does anyone want any suits? I have a few. Sad.

GMATs looking like a piece of cake, like a second SAT, im studying for it right now. im sure you could smash it after a short period of intense studying, its nothing like the MCAT. requires no memorizing, just wits and practice.

good biz schools that im shooting for with feasible med schools are northwestern, chicago, and particularly dartmouth. michigan and columbia are slightly lower by most mba standards. but im actually going to be applying after matriculation into med school, theres little logic to doing it simultaneously, so you have time to think it over.

 

[DrBowtie]

Shredder, how are you getting your brain back into simple algebra and geometry mode?

 

[Shredder]

Shredder, how are you getting your brain back into simple algebra and geometry mode?

oh its quite fun, i study for it in my easy management for non-majors class, where my dolt classmates from public relations, psych, etc make it a cinch to get an A. it reminds me of when i used to tutor for the SAT, and its mostly the same stuff, i cant wait to take it. you get the results right away too for the objective portions, really makes the MCAT look like the stone age. simple algebra and geometry is such a welcome relief from hardcore engineering; probs take like 1 min at most each, vs several minutes if youre lucky in engr. and theres never any havnig to run to the TA or prof for something you are absolutely stumped on, everything can be figured out on your own. the hardest thing ive run into so far is having to recall the formula for combinations. n!/k!(n-k)!

 

[unfrozencaveman]

GMATs looking like a piece of cake, like a second SAT, im studying for it right now. im sure you could smash it after a short period of intense studying, its nothing like the MCAT. requires no memorizing, just wits and practice.

good biz schools that im shooting for with feasible med schools are northwestern, chicago, and particularly dartmouth. michigan and columbia are slightly lower by most mba standards. but im actually going to be applying after matriculation into med school, theres little logic to doing it simultaneously, so you have time to think it over.

Good plan, good plan. Didn't know you could do that. I guess I'll wait and see how much of a crapshoot this med school thing is, and trick my way in from there.

 

[DrBowtie]

oh its quite fun, i study for it in my easy management for non-majors class, where my dolt classmates from public relations, psych, etc make it a cinch to get an A. it reminds me of when i used to tutor for the SAT, and its mostly the same stuff, i cant wait to take it. you get the results right away too for the objective portions, really makes the MCAT look like the stone age. simple algebra and geometry is such a welcome relief from hardcore engineering; probs take like 1 min at most each, vs several minutes if youre lucky in engr. and theres never any havnig to run to the TA or prof for something you are absolutely stumped on, everything can be figured out on your own. the hardest thing ive run into so far is having to recall the formula for combinations. n!/k!(n-k)!

Yeah I dwnlded the powerprep software. I took the first practice set on the data sufficiency. I got quite a few wrong just due to dumb mistakes with the simple algebra. My mind is so wired to calculus.

 

[Shredder]

Good plan, good plan. Didn't know you could do that. I guess I'll wait and see how much of a crapshoot this med school thing is, and trick my way in from there.

yeah i think every school lets you apply after matriculation, at northwestern youre even expected to apply in your third year. or you can do it later on, some ppl on the md/mba forum i believe have done that. Learfan i think did, but hes agianst the notion of md/mba, thinks mba is worthless. mssheaddoc i think also did it, not certain.

haha brett, im doing my darndest to grab the potential businessmen

 

[DrBowtie]

Learfan is a PHD/MBA. just for clarification.

 

[Shredder]

Yeah I dwnlded the powerprep software. I took the first practice set on the data sufficiency. I got quite a few wrong just due to dumb mistakes with the simple algebra. My mind is so wired to calculus.

oh cool, data sufficiencies kinda fun, takes some thinking. its basically the exact analog to quantitative comparisons on the SAT. you definitely have to watch out for getting tricked and exceptions to rules, its what the section is all about. sorry no calc on american standardized tests, thats just too much math to expect unless youre dealing with foreigners. i wouldve loved to see some calc based physics on the mcat, it would give ppl like me and you a leg up on the curve--hmm thats kinda a subtle pun huh.

 

[Shredder]

Learfan is a PHD/MBA. just for clarification.

aha...well maybe that has something to do with his mindset