Five new dental schools in the pipeline

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New dental schools are in the early planning stages at Midwestern University in Downers Grove, Ill.; Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center in El Paso, Texas; the University of Arkansas in Little Rock, Ark.; the University of New England in Portland, Maine; and the University of Southern Nevada in South Jordan, Utah.

 

[Ranelar]

University of Southern Nevada, located in a place called South Jordan, which is in North-Central Utah...

 

[ChrisM07]

Cool article. Do you think this will lower the competitiveness of entrance to schools once these open?

 

[armorshell]

Cool article. Do you think this will lower the competitiveness of entrance to schools once these open?

I doubt the Arkansas or Texas school will really affect anything, because both of these are state schools. University of New England and Midwestern might help lower the competition a bit.

USN, considering it's location in Utah, will probably become the most competitive school in the country overnight.

 

[DrReo]

Cool article. Do you think this will lower the competitiveness of entrance to schools once these open?

Even if they had massive class size of 150, that would only 750 for the 5 dental schools. There are over 11000 applicants and less than 5000 spots now... It'd help some, but not significantly.

 

[hl11]

Even if they had massive class size of 150, that would only 750 for the 5 dental schools. There are over 11000 applicants and less than 5000 spots now... It'd help some, but not significantly.

I agree.

 

[Frederico Albin]

Virginia Tech needs a dental school... 🙂

 

[Frederico Albin]

USN, considering it's location in Utah, will probably become the most competitive school in the country overnight.

Whys that? Theres no dental school in Utah or am I missing something?

 

[Blarelli]

Whys that? Theres no dental school in Utah or am I missing something?

There are no dental schools in Utah, and on top of that, Utah puts tons of students into dental school.

 

[Frederico Albin]

There are no dental schools in Utah, and on top of that, Utah puts tons of students into dental school.

Thanks

 

[Blarelli]

Whys that? Theres no dental school in Utah or am I missing something?

In 2006, BYU alone had 194 of their students accepted to dental school. Then there is the U of U, USU, WSU, and UVU. As far as I know, they all have pretty healthy predental organizations.

 

[y0ssarian]

USN, considering it's location in Utah, will probably become the most competitive school in the country overnight.

And here I thought that was sarcasm :X

In 2006, BYU alone had 194 of their students accepted to dental school. Then there is the U of U, USU, WSU, and UVU. As far as I know, they all have pretty healthy predental organizations.

 

[TempleDMDKrazd]

Even if they had massive class size of 150, that would only 750 for the 5 dental schools. There are over 11000 applicants and less than 5000 spots now... It'd help some, but not significantly.

so you're telling me a 15% increase isn't a lot?

 

[DrReo]

so you're telling me a 15% increase isn't a lot?

Define " a lot"

It is an increase. Go in the dental forum and read up about the need for dentists in Maine.

 

[Contach]

Why does Utah produce so many dentists? What is unique about that state? (I don't even know where Utah is on the map)

 

[Dental Monst3r]

Why would University of Southern Nevada place a school in Utah? Wouldn't it be in Reno or a 2nd school in Las Vegas? I see no logic in the name of the school..

 

[austinsanity]

http://www.ada.org/prof/resources/pubs/adanews/adanewsarticle.asp?articleid=3463

I graduated from UNE and the prospect of having a dental school there is sort of exciting, especially considering the fact that it would be the first one ever in the state of Maine.

 

[theskibumjohnso]

Utah doesn't have a dental school and most likely will not have one for many years to come. They put it to a vote and because there is such a saturation in Utah with dentist already, it was voted down. It was voted down because if there was a school in Utah there would be even more dentist and too many dentist in one area is not good especially when other places need dentist.
There are a lot of students accepted from BYU because it is a religion based school and all the LDS students from around the country attend BYU then apply to the schools in their home state, thus increasing their chances of acceptance, attending a highly ranked school, and having good grades because they do have a great pre dent program. It is a ranked in the top schools. I didn't go there but 8 of the 60 students in my dental class did and they are the top of the class. I was impressed.

 

[alanan84]

The Texas Tech school can't open fast enough!

BTW, I'm a ***** for leaving BYU. I came back to texas before I chose dentistry and had no idea their predental program was so good. My school's predental program is combined with the premed program, it sucks.

 

[Dental Monst3r]

The Texas Tech school can't open fast enough!

BTW, I'm a ***** for leaving BYU. I came back to texas before I chose dentistry and had no idea their predental program was so good. My school's predental program is combined with the premed program, it sucks.

How are they combined? I do not understand.

also, aren't you able to transfer back to BYU? Or is that really difficult to tranfer between 4 year universities?

 

[alanan84]

How are they combined? I do not understand.

also, aren't you able to transfer back to BYU? Or is that really difficult to tranfer between 4 year universities?

It's called the medical and dental preparatory association. I have no idea why they're not separated but they're not.

I probably could have transferred and probably should have. At this point I only lack a few hours to graduate. Maybe if I don't get in I'll go to graduate school there. I wonder if that would make me lose residency in texas though...

Sorry for deviating off subject. I think this is great news, it's hard to believe that dental school enrollment has declined since the 70's. You'd think now that the baby boomers are older that we'd need a lot more dentists. At the same time, I'm sure a lot of dentists are feeling the effects of the economy just like everyone else.

 

[Contach]

So I had to wikipedia BYU to figure out what it was all about... And I remember reading about Brigham Young in my "religous studies: cults in north america class." I can't believe that school has an "Honor Code" to describe how long they think your hair should be and restrictions on what it can look like.... that is ridiculous.. and no booze? and no sex? Can you even call this a college?

 

[Dental Monst3r]

So I had to wikipedia BYU to figure out what it was all about... And I remember reading about Brigham Young in my "religous studies: cults in north america class." I can't believe that school has an "Honor Code" to describe how long they think your hair should be and restrictions on what it can look like.... that is ridiculous.. and no booze? and no sex? Can you even call this a college?

I know, isn't it great? I actually lived in Utah for 2 years and have always wanted to go there

 

[alanan84]

Nevermind

 

[prydA]

Why does Utah produce so many dentists? What is unique about that state? (I don't even know where Utah is on the map)

So I had to wikipedia BYU to figure out what it was all about... And I remember reading about Brigham Young in my "religous studies: cults in north america class." I can't believe that school has an "Honor Code" to describe how long they think your hair should be and restrictions on what it can look like.... that is ridiculous.. and no booze? and no sex? Can you even call this a college?

i don't know where canada is but you don't see me going around bashing it. don't be ig'nant, go away

 

[Epictetus21]

So I had to wikipedia BYU to figure out what it was all about... And I remember reading about Brigham Young in my "religous studies: cults in north america class." I can't believe that school has an "Honor Code" to describe how long they think your hair should be and restrictions on what it can look like.... that is ridiculous.. and no booze? and no sex? Can you even call this a college?

Yeah, I don't know how we even make it without the STDs, pregnancy scares, DUIs, drunk driving injuries/deaths, depression that results from one night stands, drug overdoses, hangovers, hippies with nasty dreads to their waists, people who smell terrible because they never shower or use deoderant, etc. Seriously.

 

[DrReo]

i don't know where canada is but you don't see me going around bashing it. don't be ig'nant, go away

I agree, prydA; found an article:
many studies have agreed that there is a medium correlation between common sense(ie. generally non-dentistry related) in real life. So if you are rocking a 24+, you are more likely to do well. Here is the source. AA has been shown to be the most valid predictor of success in the first two years.

Ranney, R.R., Wilson, M.B., & Bennett, R.B. (2005). Evaluation of applicants to predoctoral dental education programs: review of the literature. J Dent Educ, 69(10): 1095-1106.
.http://www.jdentaled.org/cgi/content/full/69/10/1095.

Contach, do you understand how critical outliers are yet? Or, are you too good to worry about them?

 

[GoBlueJays]

depression that results from one night stands,

Then I need a bottle of anti-depressants immediately.

What is your source for such a claim?


Regards,

GoBlueJays

PS. If one chooses to drink alcohol, they don't necessarily get herpes, grow dreads, crash a car, knock a gal up, and die of an overdose.

Hell none of those have happened to me and I drank in college.

Ok, I lied, I have herpes

GBJs

 

[Enso]

Yeah, I don't know how we even make it without the STDs, pregnancy scares, DUIs, drunk driving injuries/deaths, depression that results from one night stands, drug overdoses, hangovers, hippies with nasty dreads to their waists, people who smell terrible because they never shower or use deoderant, etc. Seriously.

LOL depression? It's a pump 'n dump Mr. Rogers get over it. You're really reaching here.

You'll have plenty of time to act civil, mature, and become completely enthralled with mainstream suburbia when you're older. It's called being married with kids. College isn't necessarily one of them.

Have fun at BYU College of Make Believe!

 

[supraman]

RI needs a damn dent school

 

[Epictetus21]

Then I need a bottle of anti-depressants immediately.

What is your source for such a claim?

Here you go:

Longmore, M. A., Manning, W. D., Giordano,
P. C., & Rudolph, J. L. (2004). Self-esteem,
depressive symptoms, and adolescents' sexual
onset. Social Psychological Quarterly, 67(3),
279-295.

Paul, E. L., McManus, B., & Hayes, A. (2000).
"Hookups": Characteristics and correlates of
college students' spontaneous and anonymous
sexual experiences. The Journal of Sex
Research, 37(1), 76-88

Lambert, T. A., Kahn, A. S., & Apple, K. J.
(2003). Pluralistic ignorance and hooking up.
The Journal of Sex Research, 40(2), 129-133.

Manning, W. D., Giordano, P. C., & Longmore,
M. A. (2006). Hooking up: The relationship
contexts of "non-relationship" sex. Journal of
Adolescent Research, 21(5), 459-483.

Manning, W. D., Longmore, M. A., &
Giordano, P. C. (2005). Adolescents'
involvement in non-romantic sexual activity.
Social Science Research, 34, 384-407.

Desiderato, L. L., & Crawford, H. J. (1995).
Risky sexual behavior in college students:
Relationships between number of sexual
partners, disclosure of previous risky behavior,
and alcohol use. Journal of Youth &
Adolescence, 24(1), 55-68.

Glenn, N., & Marquardt, E. (2001). Hooking up,
hanging out, and hoping for Mr. Right: College
women on dating and mating today. A report
conducted by the Institute for American Values
for the Independent Women's Forum.

 

[Lurchdubious]

Here you go:

Longmore, M. A., Manning, W. D., Giordano,
P. C., & Rudolph, J. L. (2004). Self-esteem,
depressive symptoms, and adolescents' sexual
onset. Social Psychological Quarterly, 67(3),
279-295.

Paul, E. L., McManus, B., & Hayes, A. (2000).
"Hookups": Characteristics and correlates of
college students' spontaneous and anonymous
sexual experiences. The Journal of Sex
Research, 37(1), 76-88

Lambert, T. A., Kahn, A. S., & Apple, K. J.
(2003). Pluralistic ignorance and hooking up.
The Journal of Sex Research, 40(2), 129-133.

Manning, W. D., Giordano, P. C., & Longmore,
M. A. (2006). Hooking up: The relationship
contexts of "non-relationship" sex. Journal of
Adolescent Research, 21(5), 459-483.

Manning, W. D., Longmore, M. A., &
Giordano, P. C. (2005). Adolescents'
involvement in non-romantic sexual activity.
Social Science Research, 34, 384-407.

Desiderato, L. L., & Crawford, H. J. (1995).
Risky sexual behavior in college students:
Relationships between number of sexual
partners, disclosure of previous risky behavior,
and alcohol use. Journal of Youth &
Adolescence, 24(1), 55-68.

Glenn, N., & Marquardt, E. (2001). Hooking up,
hanging out, and hoping for Mr. Right: College
women on dating and mating today. A report
conducted by the Institute for American Values
for the Independent Women's Forum.

Lol. Nice work!

 

[achilles2]

I agree, prydA; found an article:
many studies have agreed that there is a medium correlation between common sense(ie. generally non-dentistry related) in real life. So if you are rocking a 24+, you are more likely to do well. Here is the source. AA has been shown to be the most valid predictor of success in the first two years.

Ranney, R.R., Wilson, M.B., & Bennett, R.B. (2005). Evaluation of applicants to predoctoral dental education programs: review of the literature. J Dent Educ, 69(10): 1095-1106.
.http://www.jdentaled.org/cgi/content/full/69/10/1095.

Contach, do you understand how critical outliers are yet? Or, are you too good to worry about them?

I agree with this 😛

 

[armorshell]

Then I need a bottle of anti-depressants immediately.

What is your source for such a claim?

It's not you that's depressed after the one night stand, it's whoever you were with. 😀

Now seriously, get this thread back on track or I'm going to start cracking heads.

 

[armorshell]

Here you go:

Longmore, M. A., Manning, W. D., Giordano,
P. C., & Rudolph, J. L. (2004). Self-esteem,
depressive symptoms, and adolescents' sexual
onset. Social Psychological Quarterly, 67(3),
279-295.

Paul, E. L., McManus, B., & Hayes, A. (2000).
"Hookups": Characteristics and correlates of
college students' spontaneous and anonymous
sexual experiences. The Journal of Sex
Research, 37(1), 76-88

Lambert, T. A., Kahn, A. S., & Apple, K. J.
(2003). Pluralistic ignorance and hooking up.
The Journal of Sex Research, 40(2), 129-133.

Manning, W. D., Giordano, P. C., & Longmore,
M. A. (2006). Hooking up: The relationship
contexts of "non-relationship" sex. Journal of
Adolescent Research, 21(5), 459-483.

Manning, W. D., Longmore, M. A., &
Giordano, P. C. (2005). Adolescents'
involvement in non-romantic sexual activity.
Social Science Research, 34, 384-407.

Desiderato, L. L., & Crawford, H. J. (1995).
Risky sexual behavior in college students:
Relationships between number of sexual
partners, disclosure of previous risky behavior,
and alcohol use. Journal of Youth &
Adolescence, 24(1), 55-68.

Glenn, N., & Marquardt, E. (2001). Hooking up,
hanging out, and hoping for Mr. Right: College
women on dating and mating today. A report
conducted by the Institute for American Values
for the Independent Women's Forum.

I'll point out that just by reading the titles you can tell these are correlative studies and surveys, so you haven't really shown any evidence that "hookups" actually cause depression or low self esteem.

 

[nydds25]

LOL depression? It's a pump 'n dump Mr. Rogers get over it. You're really reaching here.

You'll have plenty of time to act civil, mature, and become completely enthralled with mainstream suburbia when you're older. It's called being married with kids. College isn't necessarily one of them.

Have fun at BYU College of Make Believe!

The guy supporting BYU is married with kids... as is most people by the time they finish BYU. Don't they wear magic underwear or something like that.

 

[GoBlueJays]

I'll point out that just by reading the titles you can tell these are correlative studies and surveys, so you haven't really shown any evidence that "hookups" actually cause depression or low self esteem.

My thoughts as well Armor.

Epictetus, perhaps pre-marital, promiscuous sex does indeed cause depression/low self-esteem. The sources you just supplied do not necessarily show such.


Regards,

GoBlueJays

 

[Epictetus21]

My thoughts as well Armor.

Epictetus, perhaps pre-marital, promiscuous sex does indeed cause depression/low self-esteem. The sources you just supplied do not necessarily show such.

Nice cop out. You asked for sources, I gave you sources. If you don't want to accept the current standard for social science research, that's your deal.

Of course the social science research doesn't prove a causative effect. No social research does or can. You can't prove causation in a social science setting without using invasive research methods on human subjects. That is currently considered unethical, and in some cases, illegal. You can, however, show a strong correlation. Did you see the sample size of those studies?

 

[DrEagleMike]

The guy supporting BYU is married with kids... as is most people by the time they finish BYU. Don't they wear magic underwear or something like that.

haha. why are you so interested in other people underwear!?!?!
I wouldn't want to get caught up in a locker room with you...

Well, I think BYU predents high success to getting into dental schools must be due to their lifestyle and focus. The Honor Code probably helps them achieve their goals...

 

[Mattgk50]

asdf

 

[Dental Monst3r]

BYU is a great school. They do indeed have one of the better, if not best pre-dental programs around. I would know this because my best friend's dad is a dentist from BYU undergrad.

The etiquette and standards enforced are necessary to make BYU as conservative and respectful as possible. Almost all of the BYU students in pre-dental have a chance in the 80-90 percentile to make it into dental school. What helps most? The way that BYU prepares people for the real world. Their strict ways do indeed help people succeed to go further. Dental schools recognize BYU for this reason.

There is nothing wrong with mormons or BYU. Dental schools realize that students make great dentists simply by how they were prepared in such a proper setting.

CAse closed...

 

[gryffindor]

So I had to wikipedia BYU to figure out what it was all about... And I remember reading about Brigham Young in my "religous studies: cults in north america class." I can't believe that school has an "Honor Code" to describe how long they think your hair should be and restrictions on what it can look like.... that is ridiculous.. and no booze? and no sex? Can you even call this a college?

There are lots of rules related to appearance in dental school.

 

[GoBlueJays]

Nice cop out. You asked for sources, I gave you sources. If you don't want to accept the current standard for social science research, that's your deal.

Of course the social science research doesn't prove a causative effect. No social research does or can. You can't prove causation in a social science setting without using invasive research methods on human subjects. That is currently considered unethical, and in some cases, illegal. You can, however, show a strong correlation. Did you see the sample size of those studies?

I am not sure why that is a cop out. You acknowledge that social science research does not prove causative effect; I think that is what Armor was saying; I agreed. Not to mention, I said, "perhaps pre-marital, promiscuous sex does indeed cause depression/low self-esteem". I would say that falls within the realm of "spirit of discussion"

I have no express mission to show that booze-hounds and sex-monsters are not depressed.

Perhaps the reason I lashed out (if you can call it that) is because of the nature of your post:

College experience at anywhere other than BYU= drug induced frenzied sex that leads to depression whilst wearing dreadlocks and smelling like BO.

A bit oversimplified don't you think?

Regards,

GoBlueJays

PS. I have been to Provo, lovely town. I was headed up to ski the Canyons and Park City.

 

[Dental Monst3r]

I am not sure why that is a cop out. You acknowledge that social science research does not prove causative effect; I think that is what Armor was saying; I agreed. Not to mention, I said, "perhaps pre-marital, promiscuous sex does indeed cause depression/low self-esteem". I would say that falls within the realm of "spirit of discussion"

I have no express mission to show that booze-hounds and sex-monsters are not depressed.

Perhaps the reason I lashed out (if you can call it that) is because of the nature of your post:

College experience at anywhere other than BYU= drug induced frenzied sex that leads to depression whilst wearing dreadlocks and smelling like BO.

A bit oversimplified don't you think?

Regards,

GoBlueJays

PS. I have been to Provo, lovely town. I was headed up to ski the Canyons and Park City.

word..😎

 

[SFortho]

Can someone tell me why it seems like just about every thread inevitably turns into either a religious or polititcal debate?

Why can't people stick to the topic?

 

[Simiam]

I know this is off topic from where the thread has gone....

I disagree with the ADA opening up even more Dental Schools. If they are doing it in response to the increase in applicants, they are way off base. If they open too many schools we will have an over population of dentists like we have an over population of lawyers and doctors in this country. I would hate to see "ambulance chasing" dentists....It needs to be moderated a little bit better.

 

[Epictetus21]

I know this is off topic from where the thread has gone....

I disagree with the ADA opening up even more Dental Schools. If they are doing it in response to the increase in applicants, they are way off base. If they open too many schools we will have an over population of dentists like we have an over population of lawyers and doctors in this country. I would hate to see "ambulance chasing" dentists....It needs to be moderated a little bit better.

Good to get back on topic, sorry for the departure and my contribution to it.

I think they are doing it more to counter the projected mass retirement of baby boomer dentists in the next 15 years. The statistic that they always throw out is that for every 1 new dentist that graduates from dental school, 3 will be retiring.

Although, I don't know how much of an effect the new schools will have because Utah is already overloaded with dentists, Illinois has a couple of schools, Texas has three schools with almost 100% Texas residents, and New England is set with all of the D-Schools that direction. Arkansas is the only one that I can really see benefiting from this, in terms of reaching an underserved population. The other schools are just going to pump out more dentists to saturate desireable areas. They need to make it more attractive for new dentists to set up in rural and inner city areas, because suburbia is definitely not underserved.

 

[Contach]

There are lots of rules related to appearance in dental school.

You are right, there is a time and place for everything... I've just always seen college as a place to get outside your comfort zone, explore and learn about yourself.

but I suppose: to each his/her own... the only problem I have is that it sounds like BYU doesn't let you choose. You can always choose not to go to the school though...

My highschool sort of reminds me of this. It was a private school, that had a lot of rules and 'honor codes.' The worst I ever saw in highschool... wait.. I didn't see anyhting bad in highschool. Never saw weed, never saw alcohol on campus, I never even saw a fight at school... 600 boys, and not 1 fight (it was boys only). Now, I was lucky enough to be involved in the community, and I was on some sports teams that allowed me to interact with public school kids, and thus I came out with some influence of what the 'real world' so-to-speak was like. But I know a lot of my classmates didn't. Some of them were sheltered in a bubble and a few represent probably some of the worst university students I know (in terms of alcohol abuse, drugs, apathy towards the system, and drop-outs). Atleast they got into university (yes, of course, because we had a 98% university going-rate), but where will they end up later?

 

[enfuego]

I know this is off topic from where the thread has gone....

I disagree with the ADA opening up even more Dental Schools. If they are doing it in response to the increase in applicants, they are way off base. If they open too many schools we will have an over population of dentists like we have an over population of lawyers and doctors in this country. I would hate to see "ambulance chasing" dentists....It needs to be moderated a little bit better.

Pretty sure there's a shortage of doctors right now, especially primary care physicians.

 

[DentistRob]

Good to get back on topic, sorry for the departure and my contribution to it.

Although, I don't know how much of an effect the new schools will have because Utah is already overloaded with dentists, Illinois has a couple of schools, Texas has three schools with almost 100% Texas residents, and New England is set with all of the D-Schools that direction. Arkansas is the only one that I can really see benefiting from this, in terms of reaching an underserved population. The other schools are just going to pump out more dentists to saturate desireable areas. They need to make it more attractive for new dentists to set up in rural and inner city areas, because suburbia is definitely not underserved.

Yeah, i agree. If the placement of these new schools were based only off of recruiting more dentists to underserved areas, they'd need to place them where there was most need. I guess there are more factors to take into account, like funding, potential applicant pool etc.