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<blockquote data-quote="veer_" data-source="post: 22223141" data-attributes="member: 1064165"><p>Okie doke, kids. This is gonna be a long one. This is for all you flexers zooming through this thread in who knows what year. </p><p></p><p>Lots of concern and discussion about Letters of rec. Sinai has recommended letters, one highschool teacher or college prof, one prof in the sciences, and one mentor. Everyone is aware of this fact, yet COVID has made it hard to acquire (high quality) letters, especially for all three categories. Key points about letters we discussed:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Upon talking to an admissions officer, they are very intent on getting a letter from a science professor. A high school teacher in science can possibly be substituted. They emphasized wanting proof that you can excel academically in a rigorous science class. Do not skimp here or substitute this one, even an extra research mentor doesn't do the trick. Science. Professor. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Several of us are substituting the HS teacher for another college prof, this seems to be an okay exchange. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Many of us have huge science classes and they are foten online. Going to office hours to get to know teachers. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Talked about whether it is a good idea to get a letter from a teacher you have this (aka sophomore fall) semester since you don't have much time to impress. Consensus? Yes, you get the whole semester, go for it. <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">How long of a wait time should you give profs for a LOR? Some said 3 months in advance, some said 2-3 weeks in advance. I have no specific answer for this one.</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Discussed whether an EMT class prof is a science letter. Probably not, AMCAS has strict definitions of a science class (the bios, the chems, the physics and the maths)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Now, a big one, Lot of talk about whether we can substitute a science class TA for science LOR. NO consensus. Some yes and no. Maybe if the TA hold a degree? A lot will try to have the TA write it and have the professor sign off, similar to how your lab supervisor could write a letter and the PI signs off. Still, no clear answer. I might ask about this in the webinars (more below) and see what they say. <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Some students will get their lab mentor to actually write the letter and get sign off, it is not unheard of </li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Some talk about 3 vs 4 recs. Sinai accepts the 4th, does NOT GUARANTEE that the fourth letter gets read, so dont make that your strongest - admit officer someone emailed<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">'Consensus (THIS IS NOT AN ADCOM OPINION) if all 4 are fine do it, if 4th will be eh dont do it !!!</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">possible sources for a 4th letter, or even the third mentor letter if you dont do research - volunteer advisor, job boss, internship supervisor, </li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">What should be in a letter? Motivation for you in medicine, either personal or academic evidence for this and how you are a strong and motivated future medical student. (NOT AN ADCOM OPP) </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">"I spoke to aathe flexmed help desk...the said u can submit letters from whoever but its not going to look as good as getting a letter from each of the sources on the website" - quote from a student in group<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">"they said that replacing a professor letter with an extra research mentor is putting yourself at a disadvantage" - same student from call</li> </ul></li> </ul><p></p><p>Onto the application, most of us have officially started filling it out. </p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Activities section, 20 max, activities and awards all in one. Choose categories for your activity (leadership, research, community service, clinical etc), 150 word description about it and the choose THREE as 'most meaningful' and write another 150 words about why it is meaningful. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Which section to start with first? Most seem to be starting with activities bc it is straightforward. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Sinai recognizes that many activities may fall into more than one category that is given in the drop down, choose the best one</li> </ul><p>Test scores...</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Sinai wants you to report <em>all </em>tests taken, every time. So, I who took the ACT and SAT twice (ye i am dumb) reported 4 exam scores and uploaded PROOF (a screenshot of score on website is good enough according to adcom email) for each and every one.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">ACT moved to new server, you cant download score reports anymore so you will HAVE to take screenshot. PrtScn button lol </li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">No real answer about superscore policy. Email and ask imo</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">We estimate cutoff and weed out score is ACT 30-31+, whatever that translates to SAT (NOT AN ADCOM OPP)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">"I know someone who got in with a 1350 wbut her activities were amazing", quote from student in group. Do with it what you will</li> </ul><p>Some talk about Canada</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Yes, they accept canadian school apps</li> </ul><p>GPA!!!! Calm down, I know half of yall reading this have strokes about medical school every morning. You'll be fine.</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Talked about what a competitive GPA is. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Median guess was 3.9. Found a THIRD PARTY tutoring service for Flexmed that says that average GPA is indeed 3.91...ding ding ding I was right. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Some students cited their respective premed and academic advisors sayings something like "you should have a 3.9 to be competitive or dont bother applying"</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Decided that "a 3.7 with strong flex factor is superior to 4.0 with weak flex" (NOT AN ADCOM OPP)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">These are nonofficial data points and estimations. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">First semester sophomore GPA is counted towards what you report</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Consensus on HS grades - they probably do take that into account. Not sure how heavy it is weighted</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Lots of talk about previous threads show lots of students getting cut even with perfect stats, stats seem to be a filter not a ticket to glory</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">App is holistic, kids. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">School rigor-<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">They probably do take rigor of your school, and any associated inflation and deflation reputation they have (NOT AN ADCOM OPP)</li> </ul></li> </ul><p>Ivy bias</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">No consensus on if Icahn has ivy bias or not. SOme students say that more students from Ivies get in because it is better advertised there? SO maybe that. </li> </ul><p>Pass/fail</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If your entire school goes p/f then you should be fine, dont choose or elect pass fail unless your grade is C/D or lower. Dont retake an A range or B range (B-, B, B+) class, just take higher level classes in that subject and kill it to show that you learn well (my and others opp, NOT ADCOM)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Use application explanation section to, well, explain circumstances. 1000 characters. </li> </ul><p>Submissions</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">No evidence that handing in app early is advantageous for flexmed. </li> </ul><p>WEBINARS WERE ANNOUNCED MID OCTOBER THIS CYCLE, FOUR WEBINARS: one in october, november, december and early Jan. All recorded. Same info in each one. </p><p></p><p>Shadowing</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Some criticism of virtual shadowing, if it is for-profit might not be the absolute best idea. Nonprofit virtual shadowing should be good. (NOT AN ADCOM OPP)</li> </ul><p>And then we started sharing instagram handles lol. Hope this helps whoever is reading. More to come!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="veer_, post: 22223141, member: 1064165"] Okie doke, kids. This is gonna be a long one. This is for all you flexers zooming through this thread in who knows what year. Lots of concern and discussion about Letters of rec. Sinai has recommended letters, one highschool teacher or college prof, one prof in the sciences, and one mentor. Everyone is aware of this fact, yet COVID has made it hard to acquire (high quality) letters, especially for all three categories. Key points about letters we discussed: [LIST] [*]Upon talking to an admissions officer, they are very intent on getting a letter from a science professor. A high school teacher in science can possibly be substituted. They emphasized wanting proof that you can excel academically in a rigorous science class. Do not skimp here or substitute this one, even an extra research mentor doesn't do the trick. Science. Professor. [*]Several of us are substituting the HS teacher for another college prof, this seems to be an okay exchange. [*]Many of us have huge science classes and they are foten online. Going to office hours to get to know teachers. [*]Talked about whether it is a good idea to get a letter from a teacher you have this (aka sophomore fall) semester since you don't have much time to impress. Consensus? Yes, you get the whole semester, go for it. [LIST] [*]How long of a wait time should you give profs for a LOR? Some said 3 months in advance, some said 2-3 weeks in advance. I have no specific answer for this one. [/LIST] [*]Discussed whether an EMT class prof is a science letter. Probably not, AMCAS has strict definitions of a science class (the bios, the chems, the physics and the maths) [*]Now, a big one, Lot of talk about whether we can substitute a science class TA for science LOR. NO consensus. Some yes and no. Maybe if the TA hold a degree? A lot will try to have the TA write it and have the professor sign off, similar to how your lab supervisor could write a letter and the PI signs off. Still, no clear answer. I might ask about this in the webinars (more below) and see what they say. [LIST] [*]Some students will get their lab mentor to actually write the letter and get sign off, it is not unheard of [/LIST] [*]Some talk about 3 vs 4 recs. Sinai accepts the 4th, does NOT GUARANTEE that the fourth letter gets read, so dont make that your strongest - admit officer someone emailed [LIST] [*]'Consensus (THIS IS NOT AN ADCOM OPINION) if all 4 are fine do it, if 4th will be eh dont do it !!! [*]possible sources for a 4th letter, or even the third mentor letter if you dont do research - volunteer advisor, job boss, internship supervisor, [/LIST] [*]What should be in a letter? Motivation for you in medicine, either personal or academic evidence for this and how you are a strong and motivated future medical student. (NOT AN ADCOM OPP) [*]"I spoke to aathe flexmed help desk...the said u can submit letters from whoever but its not going to look as good as getting a letter from each of the sources on the website" - quote from a student in group [LIST] [*]"they said that replacing a professor letter with an extra research mentor is putting yourself at a disadvantage" - same student from call [/LIST] [/LIST] Onto the application, most of us have officially started filling it out. [LIST] [*]Activities section, 20 max, activities and awards all in one. Choose categories for your activity (leadership, research, community service, clinical etc), 150 word description about it and the choose THREE as 'most meaningful' and write another 150 words about why it is meaningful. [*]Which section to start with first? Most seem to be starting with activities bc it is straightforward. [*]Sinai recognizes that many activities may fall into more than one category that is given in the drop down, choose the best one [/LIST] Test scores... [LIST] [*]Sinai wants you to report [I]all [/I]tests taken, every time. So, I who took the ACT and SAT twice (ye i am dumb) reported 4 exam scores and uploaded PROOF (a screenshot of score on website is good enough according to adcom email) for each and every one. [LIST] [*]ACT moved to new server, you cant download score reports anymore so you will HAVE to take screenshot. PrtScn button lol [/LIST] [*]No real answer about superscore policy. Email and ask imo [*]We estimate cutoff and weed out score is ACT 30-31+, whatever that translates to SAT (NOT AN ADCOM OPP) [*]"I know someone who got in with a 1350 wbut her activities were amazing", quote from student in group. Do with it what you will [/LIST] Some talk about Canada [LIST] [*]Yes, they accept canadian school apps [/LIST] GPA!!!! Calm down, I know half of yall reading this have strokes about medical school every morning. You'll be fine. [LIST] [*]Talked about what a competitive GPA is. [*]Median guess was 3.9. Found a THIRD PARTY tutoring service for Flexmed that says that average GPA is indeed 3.91...ding ding ding I was right. [*]Some students cited their respective premed and academic advisors sayings something like "you should have a 3.9 to be competitive or dont bother applying" [*]Decided that "a 3.7 with strong flex factor is superior to 4.0 with weak flex" (NOT AN ADCOM OPP) [*]These are nonofficial data points and estimations. [*]First semester sophomore GPA is counted towards what you report [*]Consensus on HS grades - they probably do take that into account. Not sure how heavy it is weighted [*]Lots of talk about previous threads show lots of students getting cut even with perfect stats, stats seem to be a filter not a ticket to glory [*]App is holistic, kids. [*]School rigor- [LIST] [*]They probably do take rigor of your school, and any associated inflation and deflation reputation they have (NOT AN ADCOM OPP) [/LIST] [/LIST] Ivy bias [LIST] [*]No consensus on if Icahn has ivy bias or not. SOme students say that more students from Ivies get in because it is better advertised there? SO maybe that. [/LIST] Pass/fail [LIST] [*]If your entire school goes p/f then you should be fine, dont choose or elect pass fail unless your grade is C/D or lower. Dont retake an A range or B range (B-, B, B+) class, just take higher level classes in that subject and kill it to show that you learn well (my and others opp, NOT ADCOM) [*]Use application explanation section to, well, explain circumstances. 1000 characters. [/LIST] Submissions [LIST] [*]No evidence that handing in app early is advantageous for flexmed. [/LIST] WEBINARS WERE ANNOUNCED MID OCTOBER THIS CYCLE, FOUR WEBINARS: one in october, november, december and early Jan. All recorded. Same info in each one. Shadowing [LIST] [*]Some criticism of virtual shadowing, if it is for-profit might not be the absolute best idea. Nonprofit virtual shadowing should be good. (NOT AN ADCOM OPP) [/LIST] And then we started sharing instagram handles lol. Hope this helps whoever is reading. More to come! [/QUOTE]
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