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Lets make it official... All doctors should make a $1,000,000 salary/year. Whenever, they talk about cutting doctor's salary, every specialty except primary care physicians put their f....horn out. You guys are not entitled to make whatever you think you should make. Get real !!!
Cause 11-15+ years of schooling that leaves you up to $300,000 in debt is worth it even if you're only making $100,000 a year right?

There's a certain moderation in how much I love the field of medicine and how much I don't want to be in debt, be overworked, and not get compensated fairly.

Money makes the world go round and lets face it, no one would put in the amount of work required to be a doctor just because they want to help people. It's fun to think Doctors are overcompensated, but if you add how much work it takes to become a physician and divide yearly pay by the added 7-9 years after undergrad (even though you are paid minimally during residency) it still isn't that great of pay. You don't start making real money till you are in your thirties... I think that says enough right there. Plus juggling your life between med-school and residency, some doctors have to put off marriage etc. I think what doctors get paid is very fair and it was not too long ago when doctors were looked upon as gods.
 

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What got you into medicine? the ability alleviate people's suffering or to make a lot of cash...Unbelievable!
I knew you'd ignore it, but you surprised me a little bit with the straw man.
 
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Cause 11-15+ years of schooling that leaves you up to $300,000 in debt is worth it even if you're only making $100,000 a year right?

There's a certain moderation in how much I love the field of medicine and how much I don't want to be in debt, be overworked, and not get compensated fairly.

Money makes the world go round and lets face it, no one would put in the amount of work required to be a doctor just because they want to help people. It's fun to think Doctors are overcompensated, but if you add how much work it takes to become a physician and divide yearly pay by the added 7-9 years after undergrad (even though you are paid minimally during residency) it still isn't that great of pay. You don't start making real money till you are in your thirties... I think that says enough right there. Plus juggling your life between med-school and residency, some doctors have to put off marriage etc. I think what doctors get paid is very fair and it was not too long ago when doctors were looked upon as gods.
lol what if if he didn't mis type 1,000,000.

on a seriouse note, there are always going to be people running around espically on this forum typing stuff like i care about people so i should go be a doctor lol, its pointless to explain to them the importance of $$$.
 

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lol what if if he didn't mis type 1,000,000.

on a seriouse note, there are always going to be people running around espically on this forum typing stuff like i care about people so i should go be a doctor lol, its pointless to explain to them the importance of $$$.
Becoming a doctor is a career choice that takes a ton out of you. Not everyone is cut out to be a doctor!!!!! We know that because %50+ applicants are rejected every year. Doctors deserved to get paid good because the job they do is selective. If being a doctor was as easy and took as little work as being an EMT and they still got compensated like doctors then we would have no EMT's (just using that as an example).

I seriously don't understand how people can say oh those people are overpaid.

Movie stars are overpaid, basketball players are overpaid. DOCTORS SAVE LIVES and you want to undercut them???? What about Lil' Wayne and Jay-Z? In my opinion what they do has very little positive input into society compared to what physicians do, yet they are compensated way better than any physician. I wanna see someone answer why no one is trying to lower their salaries.
 
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Becoming a doctor is a career choice that takes a ton out of you. Not everyone is cut out to be a doctor!!!!! We know that because %50+ applicants are rejected every year. Doctors deserved to get paid good because the job they do is selective. If being a doctor was as easy and took as little work as being an EMT and they still got compensated like doctors then we would have no EMT's (just using that as an example).

I seriously don't understand how people can say oh those people are overpaid.

Movie stars are overpaid, basketball players are overpaid. DOCTORS SAVE LIVES and you want to undercut them???? What about Lil' Wayne and Jay-Z? In my opinion what they do has very little positive input into society compared to what physicians do, yet they are compensated way better than any physician. I wanna see someone answer why no one is trying to lower their salaries.
i agree with what u said.

about the athletes pay thing. we like to be entertained more than anything. oh oh and having really good atheletes makes americans feel masculine so they can go around the world and feel right about telling every one what to do. may be that wasn't the best correlation....
 

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i agree with what u said.

about the athletes pay thing. we like to be entertained more than anything. oh oh and having really good atheletes makes americans feel masculine so they can go around the world and feel right about telling every one what to do. may be that wasn't the best correlation....
You think it's worth the average NBA salary to play basketball everyday and workout on days w/o games? I mean, I did it all throughout high school for free while still having to study and do homework. Nahh, I would much rather study for 11 years to make 150k a year and not have groupies. These people are paid for their natural athleticism, we should be paid for our natural intelligence :cool::rolleyes:
 

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It is wise of you to retreat from a battle (knowledge of French) which you have no chance of winning in a million years. But no amount of imbecilic ranting about self-image will change that.



Lawmakers obviously care about contents, otherwise there wouldn't be such such long debates and such vociferous arguments over policy prescriptions in bills.
For someone who loves to spout about logical fallacies you sure base your posts on them. Long debates and "vociferous" arguments no more implies lawmakers care about content than Jenny Mccarthy spouting nonsense means vaccines cause autism.

I think that since there are actual issues that need to be fixed, we shouldn't focus on petty distractions.
Right, we needn't know whats in the bills that fixes these "actual issues" :rolleyes:

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Reading and taking notes on the bills is not the most efficient use of our $174,000 per year house and senate members.
First, no one said anything about taking notes, or for that matter actually typing the bills. But what do you propose these rich d-bags in Washington actually do for their money (aside from hookers) instead of reading the bills they pass into law?

This is so intuitive to me, its hard to understand the issue with it.
 
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Lawmakers don't need to read the bills to know, BECAUSE THEY HAVE AIDES TO DO THAT FOR THEM.

Second, thinking that one sentence commonly attributed to Louis XV was in fact attributed to Louis XIV does not say much about our relative degrees of knowledge on French history, and especially not on French grammar. Si tu es si confiant de ta connaissance du francais, que dirais-tu de continuer notre debat entirement dans la langue de Moliere. Si tu es d'accord, je n'ecrirais plus rien en anglais, et nous debattrons, aussi longtemps qu'il te conviendra de le faire, sur les sujets de ton choix, quels qu'il soient, jusqu'a ce que tu obtienne satisfaction du fait -comment l'appeler autrement, cette verite?- que tu n'a rien, absolument rien a m'apprendre sur la grammaire francaise.
Asking to argue in French makes you a tool. Cool story bro.
 

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Obviously I meant on a personal level. I would be equally appalled by a doctor that refused to treat any republicans.




I love it when posters make assumptions of others due to their 'pre-med' tags. You know nothing about me, what I know and what I have experienced.

It seems to me that most SDNers are incredibly young and have very immature views of the world (yes, even those of you in medical school). The doctor is not asking to keep politics out, he is outright discriminating against people due to their political views. You should re-read the Hippocratic Oath
Very well said...I have always found it in my experience that people who begin any argument by belittling others accomplishments/worth/standing/expertise almost always have nothing remarkable to profer. None of the greatest thinkers/philosophers preface profoundly intelligent discourse by castigating the endowments (or lack thereof) of their erstwhile skeptics...afterall, fundamental truth is self evident and devoid of the parochial schism that motivates irresponsible posturing of the kind we've seen in congress/senate, from some SDNers, and now in a docs office in FL. Sad....really sad:(
 

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What got you into medicine? the ability alleviate people's suffering or to make a lot of cash...Unbelievable!
Both, and I'm not ashamed of that. Yeah I want to help people but I also want to make a good living. Why would you arbitrarily say that 150-200k is enough for any physician? What you make should depend on your level of training, how much you work, and how good a businessman you are, not what the bureaucrats decide to pay you.

There's a fine line to be walked when it comes to money. One needs to make enough to pay back educational debt and feel properly compensated. ...But I also think a lot of specialists are overpaid. And I'm not an FFS fan.
I don't know why everyone hates on specialists. They are doing jobs which required more training and/or have a lot more responsibility and liability. It's not pc to say it, but specialists deserve more, a lot more, than primary care providers.
 

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What a joke - This guy is a typical quack who just repeats all the misinformation he has heard.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/04/05/florida-doctor-colmes/

COLMES: Do you really think the government wants people dead?
CASSELL: Well I think that they’re cutting all supportive care, like nursing homes, ambulance services –
COLMES: What do you mean they’re cutting nursing homes?
CASSELL: They’re cutting nursing home reimbursements.
COLMES: Isn’t what they’re cutting under the Medicare plan what was really double dipping; they were getting credits and they were getting to deduct them at the same time.
CASSELL: Well you know, I can’t tell you exactly what the deal is.
COLMES: If you can’t tell us exactly what the deal is, why are you opposing it and fighting against it?
CASSELL: I’m not the guy who wrote the plan.
COLMES: But if you don’t know what the deal is why are you speaking out against something you don’t know what the deal is?
CASSELL: What I get online, just like any other American. What I’m supposed to understand about the bill should be available to me.
COLMES: It is; it’s been online for a long time; it’s also been all over the media.





 

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The real reason why so many conservatives are against this - MONEY.

Anything that stops huge interest groups that they are connected to from making more money and becoming more wealthier is bad.

Unless you have a trust fund coming its difficult to believe what rich bigots tell you to believe. There hole agenda is based on protecting their elite status at all costs.
 

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What a joke - This guy is a typical quack who just repeats all the misinformation he has heard.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/04/05/florida-doctor-colmes/
COLMES: Do you really think the government wants people dead?
CASSELL: Well I think that they’re cutting all supportive care, like nursing homes, ambulance services –
COLMES: What do you mean they’re cutting nursing homes?
CASSELL: They’re cutting nursing home reimbursements.
COLMES: Isn’t what they’re cutting under the Medicare plan what was really double dipping; they were getting credits and they were getting to deduct them at the same time.
CASSELL: Well you know, I can’t tell you exactly what the deal is.
COLMES: If you can’t tell us exactly what the deal is, why are you opposing it and fighting against it?
CASSELL: I’m not the guy who wrote the plan.
COLMES: But if you don’t know what the deal is why are you speaking out against something you don’t know what the deal is?
CASSELL: What I get online, just like any other American. What I’m supposed to understand about the bill should be available to me.
COLMES: It is; it’s been online for a long time; it’s also been all over the media.





Thanks PDeco!!!!!! This was priceless...I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican but I have always argued that Republicans are never interested in arguing healthcare reform on its merits...This physician goofball did not even know what the specifics were of what he was against!! This is the blind posturing that enunciates the conservative modus operandi. It is not hard to see why democrats have a battle on their hands trying to do the right thing...my grandfather once said...futility is not so much the pursuit of a solution that satisfies all, but rather in attempting consensus with the village idiots who cannot be shaken from an imaginary stroke of genius. (My grandfather was an illiterate sharecropper). This doc is definitely tripping on an imaginary stroke of misinformed genius!! or getting free publicity for his office-aspiring spouse...either way, shameful!:thumbdown:
 

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For someone who loves to spout about logical fallacies you sure base your posts on them. Long debates and "vociferous" arguments no more implies lawmakers care about content than Jenny Mccarthy spouting nonsense means vaccines cause autism.


Right, we needn't know whats in the bills that fixes these "actual issues" :rolleyes:

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First, no one said anything about taking notes, or for that matter actually typing the bills. But what do you propose these rich d-bags in Washington actually do for their money (aside from hookers) instead of reading the bills they pass into law?

This is so intuitive to me, its hard to understand the issue with it.
Le chien aboie; la caravane passe.
 

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tncekm said:
You're hopeless, I'm done.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
Really?! Well, I'm glad we can finally agree on something. Although, I must admit I'm shocked that the things we both agree on is that you're hopeless. But, I'll take it. :laugh:
 
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Thanks PDeco!!!!!! This was priceless...I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican but I have always argued that Republicans are never interested in arguing healthcare reform on its merits...This physician goofball did not even know what the specifics were of what he was against!! This is the blind posturing that enunciates the conservative modus operandi. It is not hard to see why democrats have a battle on their hands trying to do the right thing...my grandfather once said...futility is not so much the pursuit of a solution that satisfies all, but rather in attempting consensus with the village idiots who cannot be shaken from an imaginary stroke of genius. (My grandfather was an illiterate sharecropper). This doc is definitely tripping on an imaginary stroke of misinformed genius!! or getting free publicity for his office-aspiring spouse...either way, shameful!:thumbdown:
I'm not going to comment on the merits of the left or the right in America, but it's always made me mad about how being meaninglessly obstructive became a legitimate political position. Fine, disagree with something, but propose an alternative.
 

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ah yes.. the i'm rubber you're glue family of arguments
 

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Le chien aboie; la caravane passe.
Lol, someone got a book of french proverbs for christmas!

Isn't it the guilty dog that barks the loudest though?

:laugh: This guy just can't help himself. This is turning entertaining. :smuggrin:
 

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Le français est une langue pour les singes lâche abandon! Merci Google!
 

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Really?! Well, I'm glad we can finally agree on something. Although, I must admit I'm shocked that the things we both agree on is that you're hopeless. But, I'll take it. :laugh:
Grammar 101.

When you say "you," you mean your interlocutor; when your interlocutor says "you," he means you. See how easy it is?
 

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Lol, someone got a book of french proverbs for christmas!

Isn't it the guilty dog that barks the loudest though?

:laugh: This guy just can't help himself. This is turning entertaining. :smuggrin:
I don't know, guilty dog, you let me know.
 

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Lol, someone got a book of french proverbs for christmas!

Isn't it the guilty dog that barks the loudest though?

:laugh: This guy just can't help himself. This is turning entertaining. :smuggrin:
Mon cher monsieur, je suis ravi que nous nous amusions tous deux.
 

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thankfully google translate will ungarble it for you
It did. In French the phrase "for monkeys to throw out" is not translatable. That syntax doesn't exist in French. You'd have to use an expression that's somewhat equivalent. For instance, le francais est une langue faite pour les singes or le francais est une langue que seuls les singes parlent or le francais est la langue qu'utilisent les singes pour se designer.

That said, regardless of what you have against me, it's still hard to understand why you would want to insult all French speakers.
 

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well, this thread sure did go down the $#itter...oops, pardon MY French....
 
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I'm a tool because you can't do it? Interesting.
No, you're a tool because you're being completely serious in trying to argue with people in French on an internet forum. As if speaking in French completely validates your argument. Again, what a tool. :laugh:
 

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It did. In French the phrase "for monkeys to throw out" is not translatable. That syntax doesn't exist in French. You'd have to use an expression that's somewhat equivalent. For instance, le francais est une langue faite pour les singes or le francais est une langue que seuls les singes parlent or le francais est la langue qu'utilisent les singes pour se designer.

That said, regardless of what you have against me, it's still hard to understand why you would want to insult all French speakers.
i have nothing against you mon frer, it's a joke.
 

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Douche is a french word right? Somebody close this thread already.
 

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lol

The guy responded to one of my posts twice! Guess he needed that time to look up an appropriate response in french. :D
And he called me a "guilty dog"! *mock surprise and hurt*

I'm for closing the thread too, starting to feel bad for the guy, although that means the fun has to stop. :(
 

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I haven't posted here in years but this topic struck a nerve with me. I read the first page until it became a pissing match.

This physician brings up an interesting idea that we all should be more aware of: physicians (all fields) should be more active in politics and health care law. Now...this guy did not go about it in the best way by any means, however, he did voice an opinion which MANY medical students and practicing doctor's DON'T KNOW CRAP ABOUT (trust me I am around them a lot). A majority of them don't know how or why they get paid just that they do indeed get paid. They don't like business and law...this is why they went into medicine but as we all know what goes into law a business directly affects our practice. Please educate yourself now and in the future about your particular specialty affiliates and support (ie give money) lobbying and lawmakers that backup your position.

As as a final point pre-meds IN GENERAL really don't know where a medical student, resident, or attending (fully trained practicing physician) is coming from in regards to health care. It takes so much sacrifice that you can't fully understand it until yourself go through it. Even as a finishing 2nd year medical student about to take USMLE can't fully comprehend. Sacrifice in terms of family time, friends, weekends, nights, holidays, events, baseball games, dinners, etc. In the end, we want AUTONOMY and GOOD REIMBURSEMENTS and the ability to take best care of out patients. Yes people go to med school IN PART because they know they will be more than financially secure. If you want to see how government run health care is, spend a day in the VA (veterans hospital) and ask yourself if this is how you want your health care to be. I too see cash-based practices more prevalent then they already are in the future.

As a final note. Its not all gloom and doom as people are very dramatic in this field. You do work your ass off (and don't ask me if I would do it over because you wouldn't like the answer) but you do have lots of rewards. I have limited clinic time (way less than even a full month) but have experienced great rewards in medicine that are only unique to this field.

A dermatologist in Texas fired his obama-voting employee and bragged about it on an online forum. I can't find the link (its been deactivated) but was posted in the derm board.
 

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lol

The guy responded to one of my posts twice! Guess he needed that time to look up an appropriate response in french. :D
And he called me a "guilty dog"! *mock surprise and hurt*

I'm for closing the thread too, starting to feel bad for the guy, although that means the fun has to stop. :(
I'm glad we feel the same about each other. It's strange... I could have sworn I had borrowed the expression "guilty dog" from you. Oh well, it must be my senility kicking in.

Anyway, last thing, unlike you, I don't need to look up things in French.