for people who are curious about GPA & MCAT

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Ok, here is my interpretation for people who are curious if their scores are within range of med schools that they are applying to.

if you receive a secondary application from schools that only send out to selective applicants, your GPA and MCAT are pretty much within the ball park. my advice is, work hard on your essays of secondary application.

do other ppl agree with my 'interpretation'?

 
Pretty much everyone agrees with the idea that GPA and MCAT get you in the door (i.e. secondary and interview), but the interview is what gets you in the school. I've heard that a good number of schools use only the interview to decide who gets accepted, in effect treating interviewing applicants as equal with regards to MCAT and GPA, since they all are above their "cutoff" (I use that term very loosely).

Therefore, you need to work hard on ALL parts of your application. Essays will get you noticed, but interviews infinitely more so. Of course, you can't get an interview without a good essay, so it just goes to show that applying to medical schools requires 100% effort all the way through, even when writing follow-up letters. I realize that this may be out of the applicant's hands, but I think schools may take letters of recommendation more into consideration than essays, so while focusing on essays is important, getting good letters of recommenation is even more so.

I would venture to say that med schools have seen/read every type of conceivable essay there is, so I wouldn't expect that one's essay can be truly original. I think it's more important to come off as sincere and believable as possible. It's OK if you didn't choose medicine because of some relative's slow and painful death. It's OK if you didn't come to like the field because of endless hours as an EMT which showed you endless human suffering which you wanted to alleviate. Just tell it like it is, in a language that suggests intelligence but not thesaurus overuse, with a tone/style that is interesting but not melodramatic.

As for GPA/MCAT averages for schools, they are just that. My GPA was below the average for the school I'll be attending. It's all about compensation, which usually comes in the form of intangibles - unusually strong letters of rec, unique extracurriculars, and good essays. Just remember, the applicant with a 3.3 GPA with years of experience in the medical field who is an Olympic swimmer and owns his own business and the cookie cutter premed with a 4.3 GPA and 43 MCAT both have a chance to get in
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Your numbers are your numbers - you can't change them. What you can do is take a few weeks to write a good essay, and totally ROCK the interview.

[This message has been edited by WingZero (edited 08-05-2000).]
 
MTY

I Totally agree with WingZero.

Although I think essay is the most important
variable when it comes to admissions game, I definetly have to agree with the point that it is not just about grades and MCATs. The most important objective is to present yourself as you are not as you think you should be.

 
Hey, WingZero! That was a GREAT response...I actually feel much better about my chances!
Thanks
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not to put people's hope down, but what about those interviewers that sit there for 20 minutes going through step by step your whole transcript with a "Oh I noticed you got a C in XXX, what do you have to say about that" attitude. Many current doctors I have spoken to do agree that if you nail the interview you can get into any school you want, the numbers are just for getting the interview. But that's not the case all the time. Some AdCom's just have a critical way of interviewing people. Keep up those numbers also!!
 
In response to limit, I think it is incumbent upon you to shift the tone of an interview that is not going your way. I had a few really challenging interviews that had every chance to go straight to the toilet... I worked hard to turn them around. You're not just a victim in there... Make sure that you get your important info across and give yourself a chance to shine.
 
Although interviews are extremely important, it's also true that they aren't the most consistent experience you will encounter in the whole med school application process. You may be putting your best foot forward, but if you and your interviewer don't "click", chances of you getting accepted are much lower. It's ironic how such an crucial part of the process can be so random. This also is the reason why you should apply to as many schools as possible (within reason) because the more interviews you get, the greater the chance that you will get a great interviewer experience.

Yes, it does suck when interviewers just go through your app point by point - but it is your responsibility at that point to salvage what you can by trying to discuss things about yourself apart from your application. This is why you must be ready for questions like "What else do you want to talk about?", "Tell me something about yourself", "Do you have any questions for me?", so that you can just bring those subjects up if the interview gets stagnant. Also, don't worry about "cold", "confrontational", or "aggressive" interviewers. That's just the role they play (sometimes
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)to see how you respond under that kind of pressure. You may feel like crap after the interview, but if you kept your cool and got your points in, you did great. In fact, some have said that interviews where you were grilled by the interviewer help your application much more than interviews where you're all smiles and just carry a typical friendly conversation with your interviewer since you can learn a lot more about an applicant (i.e. things he/she might not say unless pressured to) in the former type of interview, whereas the latter type doesn't really reveal anything deep about an applicant, other than his/her ability to conduct small talk.

A personal illustration of how random interviews can be -

I went to Cornell for undergrad, and as you may or may not know, Cornell Med interviews ANY and all Cornell undergrads who apply, kind of a favor to Cornellians. It's funny how they describe the process as one of "getting experience with interviews", leaving me with the impression that they didn't plan on accepting any of us, only interviewing us as a courtesy. However, 10-15% of the class does come from Cornell so something has to be going on. I realized it when I went for my own interview. They basically rent a Greyhound and bus 40 of us a week to NYC for one 30 minute interview (non-Cornell applicants get two). We were basically treated like cattle and most interviews lasted only 15-20 minutes, like the interviewers had something more important to do at that moment. I was told that the committee didn't look at the applications again until a month or so after this barrage of Cornell students were finished with (about 250 in total). My point is that it is difficult to make a lasting impression in these kinds of situations and who the adcom ends up selection will be based, to no small degree, on chance (i.e. the really stellar students will be noticed, but even the reasonably strong applicants have a hard time differentiating themselves from others). I also found offensive the notion that minority students got minority interviewers. It was supposed to make us "comfortable", but in the end, it just conjures up notions of segregation and the idea that minorities aren't "good enough" for caucasian interviewers. Columbia does this as well.

My point after all this rambling? Interviews are important, so be prepared for them. On the other hand, also be prepared for good and bad interview(s/ers) based on something totally out of your control. Also, your perception of whether an interview went well or poorly does not always reflect the adcom's view of that interview. I've gotten rejected by schools where I thought I had the best interview, and accepted to schools where I thought I had totally bombed the interview and was expecting a rejection. Finally, due to the random nature of interviews, apply to numerous schools and expect to be denied right off the bat by schools you thought you could get into and to be granted an interview from your "dream schools". It happens more often than you think.
 
hey WingZero,
I just wanted to say that you are the bomb! Great motivation!
 
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