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One does not need to give equal time to psuedo science.IMO, the article is a little too one-sided.
I can't say chiro is 100% BS - I slipped a disk in middle school. Couldn't sit, stand up, or walk by myself. Hell, I had to have help getting on and off the toilet - any movement at all in my back made me have back spasms to the point that I was on the floor again. I saw a chiropractor 2x a week for around two months, and I was able to walk, stand, and sit on my own again a few weeks in. Took probably 4-5 months before my back was normal and I didn't have to stand in the back of class instead of sitting to avoid putting pressure on my back, but that was okay.
Looks like the standard treatment for those types of muscle spasms from the allopathic side once OTC anti-inflammatories fail (according to Dr. Google, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) is prescription muscle relaxers, narcotics, and possibly back surgery. I'm still pretty happy that I didn't have to have narcotics or back surgery as a teenager.
Granted, n=1 and I never saw a MD for these problems, but I still can't help but feel like chiropractors have their place - for certain conditions in certain people.
I can't say chiro is 100% BS - I slipped a disk in middle school. Couldn't sit, stand up, or walk by myself. Hell, I had to have help getting on and off the toilet - any movement at all in my back made me have back spasms to the point that I was on the floor again. I saw a chiropractor 2x a week for around two months, and I was able to walk, stand, and sit on my own again a few weeks in. Took probably 4-5 months before my back was normal and I didn't have to stand in the back of class instead of sitting to avoid putting pressure on my back, but that was okay.
Looks like the standard treatment for those types of muscle spasms from the allopathic side once OTC anti-inflammatories fail (according to Dr. Google, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) is prescription muscle relaxers, narcotics, and possibly back surgery. I'm still pretty happy that I didn't have to have narcotics or back surgery as a teenager.
Granted, n=1 and I never saw a MD for these problems, but I still can't help but feel like chiropractors have their place - for certain conditions in certain people.
One does not need to give equal time to psuedo science.
Both - he did back cracking, and worked with me on exercises and gave me some to do at home for back strengthening.what exactly did the chiropractor do? was it like physical therapy or did he do the cracking thing?
I am definitely not OMMs biggest fan, far from it, but a pretty good chunk is literally just PT. If PT can bill for it then a DO should be able to. Anyone billing for cranial should be arrested for fraud.
I've heard PT and DO compared.
Could you please tell me which parts of OMT are evidence based? I keep on hearing there are good parts, tell me an indication and a technique so I can look at the data myself.The larger issue here is that there is a ton that medicine does that has been shown to be ineffective. Knee scopes and vaginal/prostate exams are just a few of things routinely done that don’t have evidence behind their efficacy, and more than a little data that shows they are a waste of time and resources. I would love to see how much medicare $$$ is spent on knee scopes.
I am definitely not OMMs biggest fan, far from it, but a pretty good chunk is literally just PT. If PT can bill for it then a DO should be able to. Anyone billing for cranial should be arrested for fraud.
There are parts of OMM that should only be taught at Hogwarts, but a decent chunk of it is actually helpful and is basically PT. It’s also generally used as part of a larger treatment plan, and not the sole treatment as is often the case with chiropractics. Basically the “PT, NSAIDs, and rest” that was mentioned above except replace PT with OMM.
I will say that after motorcycle accidents, I always went to a chiropractor. MD recommended muscle relaxers, whereas the chiropractor shoved me back into place. However, everything else is bull#h@t. It can't cure cancer or prevent the flu, but I wanted my spine to line up without months of therapy and plenty of narcotics.
What are these modalities and what are they efficacious to treat for ?PT and DO are not comparable. DO is a fully licensed medical degree and in practice essentially indistinguishable from the MD whereas PT is an allied health profession.
OMM and PT can be comparable for a number of techniques, as to when the techniques were first introduced by both sides I have no idea but they most likely were developed somewhat separately based on the same principles around a similar time.
What specialties are out there for the business driven?
What are these modalities and what are they efficacious to treat for ?
Did you just link an article with 19 people , which was not blinded to the investigators and had double the attrition rate in intervention arm vs placebo arm and hang your hat on that? Also look at their confidence intervals. Results are interesting, There are trials that support the use of homeopathy with larger N's do you think we should run out and teach that to everyone as well?Lets start here. This took me 5 seconds to find. Maybe you should educate yourself on what we actually learn in OMM.
https://www.jospt.org/doi/abs/10.2519/jospt.2003.33.9.502?code=jospt-site
Did you just link an article with 19 people , which was not blinded to the investigators and had double the attrition rate in intervention arm vs placebo arm and hang your hat on that? Results are interesting, There are trials that support the use of homeopathy with larger N's do you think we should run out and teach that to everyone as well?
Did you just link an article with 19 people , which was not blinded to the investigators and had double the attrition rate in intervention arm vs placebo arm and hang your hat on that? Also look at their confidence intervals. Results are interesting, There are trials that support the use of homeopathy with larger N's do you think we should run out and teach that to everyone as well?
Bro. Chill. I don't believe in OMM, but you need to hop off your "evidence based" high horse because tons of medical specialties lack proper evidence based medicine or practice against the evidence base. As Grey said above, this isnt just an OMM problem. Ortho as an easy example has many procedures that either lack evidence base, or go against the evidence. Literally after the AAOS published their rotator cuff guideline in 2011 numerous orthopaedic journals/societies thrashed the fact that there were literally ZERO recommendations with high quality evidence base, and most of the treatment guidelines were 100% opinion. Mind you, rotator cuff surgeries aren't some sort of zebra procedure, and there wasn't even enough quality evidence to compile a quality guideline. Also, knee scopes are coming under fire for being no better than placebo but they are still done. This happens in tons of fields. OMM is mostly silly, but it still has just as much evidence as a lot of medicine (zero-none).
Another fallacy, just because someone else is doing something wrong doesnt make this right. Also last I checked we were talking about OMM and Chiro if we were talking about Ortho id be arguing the same thing. Another thing, those scoeities are actually trashing each other.
All I have asked for from the experts is give me an indication , and give me a technique that is evidence based. I keep on hearing there is good evidence for OMM for certain modalities, I am just asking for that.