Free energy change of proteins

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In EK's reasoning for this question, they say that at higher temperatures, the change in enthalpy becomes less. Since the protein is in the folded state, delta S is small because there is a lack of disorder. As temp increases, the TdeltaA term in
Delta G = Delta H - TdeltaS

Becomes larger, and thus overcomes delta H. They say in the answer explanation that this explains the lack of stability of proteins at high temperatures, but wouldn't that increase stability because deltaG becomes more negative as tDeltaS increases and DeltaH remains small?
 

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You should always be thinking about processes when you think about energy and entropy. Absolute energies are meaningless and absolute entropy is useless for applications outside of statistical thermodynamics (outside the scope of the MCAT). The process here is this:

protein (unfolded) ---> protein (folded)

Remember, we're talking about the shift in pKa value as the residue goes from free amino acid to protein form. We're talking about the change in free energy/entropy for this process, going from the unfolded to the folded form. The figure shows that at higher temperatures, the enthalpic contribution to free energy appears to be lower. That is, in the equation delta G = delta H - T*delta S, delta H is more negative, which would, ceteris paribus, lead to a more negative delta G. This would seem to imply that the folded state is more favored at higher temperatures than the unfolded state.

However, the point of the answer explanation is that at higher temperatures, T increases and therefore the whole T*delta S term begins to make an outsize contribution to the problem. Their explanation basically implies that going from unfolded to a folded state always involves a decrease in entropy because the protein can sample fewer states (there's a problem with this assumption - more on this later). Therefore, delta S in the equation will be negative and if T is larger, that magnifies the effect of delta S at high temperatures. So even if there is a small change in delta H, increasing temperature will result in a large, negative T*delta S term, which would increase delta G overall, making the above process less favorable at high temperatures.

The problem with this is that proteins in their folded state almost always result in a lower entropy of the system. The writers of this question err in their assumption that folded proteins will have less entropy than unfolded proteins. In fact, protein folding cannot be governed only by the entropy of the protein. Indeed, that would be paradoxical since folded proteins have less entropy than unfolded proteins by a whole lot (even more so for bigger, more complex proteins with active site structures that have to be highly conserved) and so one would expect proteins to favor the unfolded state. The key thing to remember is that unfolded proteins cause a huge entropy increase in the solvent water because the water has to form a highly ordered shell around all the hydrophobic surfaces on the protein. By burying the hydrophobic residues in the folded form, the protein releases the water from having to form that highly ordered shell and increases the overall entropy of the system. This drives protein folding.
 
You should always be thinking about processes when you think about energy and entropy. Absolute energies are meaningless and absolute entropy is useless for applications outside of statistical thermodynamics (outside the scope of the MCAT). The process here is this:

protein (unfolded) ---> protein (folded)

Remember, we're talking about the shift in pKa value as the residue goes from free amino acid to protein form. We're talking about the change in free energy/entropy for this process, going from the unfolded to the folded form. The figure shows that at higher temperatures, the enthalpic contribution to free energy appears to be lower. That is, in the equation delta G = delta H - T*delta S, delta H is more negative, which would, ceteris paribus, lead to a more negative delta G. This would seem to imply that the folded state is more favored at higher temperatures than the unfolded state.

However, the point of the answer explanation is that at higher temperatures, T increases and therefore the whole T*delta S term begins to make an outsize contribution to the problem. Their explanation basically implies that going from unfolded to a folded state always involves a decrease in entropy because the protein can sample fewer states (there's a problem with this assumption - more on this later). Therefore, delta S in the equation will be negative and if T is larger, that magnifies the effect of delta S at high temperatures. So even if there is a small change in delta H, increasing temperature will result in a large, negative T*delta S term, which would increase delta G overall, making the above process less favorable at high temperatures.

The problem with this is that proteins in their folded state almost always result in a lower entropy of the system. The writers of this question err in their assumption that folded proteins will have less entropy than unfolded proteins. In fact, protein folding cannot be governed only by the entropy of the protein. Indeed, that would be paradoxical since folded proteins have less entropy than unfolded proteins by a whole lot (even more so for bigger, more complex proteins with active site structures that have to be highly conserved) and so one would expect proteins to favor the unfolded state. The key thing to remember is that unfolded proteins cause a huge entropy increase in the solvent water because the water has to form a highly ordered shell around all the hydrophobic surfaces on the protein. By burying the hydrophobic residues in the folded form, the protein releases the water from having to form that highly ordered shell and increases the overall entropy of the system. This drives protein folding.



Thanks for the great explanation!!!

I think that when I did this question, I assumed delta S was lower, but still positive for some reason (just lower than it would be if it were for the protein in the unfolded state). So I see now, since delta S would be negative, with a larger T, this makes TdeltaS become a larger negative term, and so it causes deltaG to more likely be positive and thus unfavorable


"The figure shows that at higher temperatures, the enthalpic contribution to free energy appears to be lower"---How did you see this in the figure? I guess you don't even need to consider the delta H term in this question, because the idea is that the TdeltaS term becomes large enough that it overcomes delta H, no matter what it is.



"The key thing to remember is that unfolded proteins cause a huge entropy increase in the solvent water because the water has to form a highly ordered shell around all the hydrophobic surfaces on the protein"--------So what you're saying is that water being highly ordered is actually overall disorder? That makes sense, because I guess it just seems unnatural for the water to be forced into a highly ordered state rather than relaxing into disorder....I actually remember learning about this in biochem a few years ago.
 
"The figure shows that at higher temperatures, the enthalpic contribution to free energy appears to be lower"---How did you see this in the figure? I guess you don't even need to consider the delta H term in this question, because the idea is that the TdeltaS term becomes large enough that it overcomes delta H, no matter what it is.

Well, the figure shows that the pKa shift is less at the higher temperature. We know that pKa shift is basically the same as free energy shift here and it must be an enthalpic contribution because pKa doesn't really have to do with disorder. So pKa shift is less = enthalpy change is less.

"The key thing to remember is that unfolded proteins cause a huge entropy increase in the solvent water because the water has to form a highly ordered shell around all the hydrophobic surfaces on the protein"--------So what you're saying is that water being highly ordered is actually overall disorder? That makes sense, because I guess it just seems unnatural for the water to be forced into a highly ordered state rather than relaxing into disorder....I actually remember learning about this in biochem a few years ago.

Water being highly ordered is overall order. There are two states here: 1) protein unfolded, water highly ordered around the protein because it doesn't want to touch the hydrophobic areas 2) protein folded and only hydrophilic surfaces exposed to water so water doesn't need to form a solvation shell = water disordered. (1) is disfavored because even though the protein being unfolded is better for the protein's entropy, it's really bad for the water's entropy and water here plays the dominant role. (2) is favored because even though the protein is folded and thus loses entropy, the resulting gain in entropy by the water is even greater, making the overall entropy change favorable. That's why protein folding is spontaneous.
 
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