Is anyone else out there always in studying while the business majors are constantly out screwing around because their goals are no where near as high? There are somedays where I really feel discouraged from studying because of this garbage. Maybe it's just me.
Frustrated with Business Majors?
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Some business majors have pretty lofty goals...
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My goal is to make one million dollar per day.
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I wouldnt say that their goals are lower, just that their path is easier (collegewise).
I think its goes like this in difficulty engineering/math>premed>>business(accounting finance etc.)>humanities.
I think its goes like this in difficulty engineering/math>premed>>business(accounting finance etc.)>humanities.
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Around here I hear the business students are pretty ruthless. They won't group study or share notes or help each other in class, thinking that helping the enemy would bring down their own grade. Now for the premeds...
lol... so true
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Anyone's school have a calculus for business class? Our school it's basically simple derivatives and being able to draw on an xy graph.
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Well I have to defend us Business major / Pre-meds. Business is not a piece of cake, especially if you do Finance/Accounting AND you are doing science classes simultaneously. It also depends on what business school you go to. A top ranked business school like McCombs is going to be much more rigorous (for the most part) than a lower ranked school.
all my friends party night in/night out. now they're workin at top 4 consulting/accounting jobs and about to make bank.
business is such an intriguing avenue to look into.
hopefully i could run my own restaurant or patent an idea i have for restaurants to use.
but at the end of the day, i wont be saving any lives as an owner/ceo (ignoring charity donations).
business is such an intriguing avenue to look into.
hopefully i could run my own restaurant or patent an idea i have for restaurants to use.
but at the end of the day, i wont be saving any lives as an owner/ceo (ignoring charity donations).
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Totally stupid question and probably shouldnt be on this forum at all, but what exactly do consultants do? I've always wondered. When I think of consultant, I think of Alex "Hitch" Hitchens.
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At my school, there really isn't a business major (that's left for the freshman and they let only like 10 or so into that major, pretty rigorous if you ask me) but a business economics major which is pretty similar. Its the major that all the pre meds end up being once their dreams have been crushed by ochem and biochem. Its pretty disheartening to say the least. Sure, there are those that start of there and are serious about getting jobs at prestigous accounting firms and going for their MBAs but then you have those that use the less stressful coursework to go party.
And I would definitely not want to be a humanities major, too much reading/writing. Lab reports are bad enough.
And I would definitely not want to be a humanities major, too much reading/writing. Lab reports are bad enough.
I'm most familiar with engineering consultants, since that's what everyone else in my family does. Generally speaking, they're experts in a particular subfield that are hired to come in and improve performance or work to solve a very specific problem. It's similar to how specialists assist primary care physicians in cases above their level of expertise.
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After my first year, I had a friend who was an Accounting major. She was an impressively dogged worker at times, graduating within 3 years and moving directly on to a graduate program in accounting. However, she constantly ragged on her roommate, a gifted English major, for choosing an academic degree that would assure her no job in the future. Accounty McGee explained that the only useful degree in the end was in business and that other programs were frivolous, a waste of time and money. Silly, but still hurtful to the roommate. Granted, it's nearly impossible to defend an English degree in terms of job security, even if a degree in business is also pretty ill-fated at the moment. I feel the business-major-on-the-offensive is not seen as often as the pre-med-vendetta-against-all-other-disciplines, but it could be that I typically just don't run in the same circles as either.
But yeah, overall I deeply resent that prolific business major bunch. Partying is definitely paramount. It's hard to avoid stepping on at least seven individual vodka and Red Bull-stained Ugg boots on the way home from the library.
But yeah, overall I deeply resent that prolific business major bunch. Partying is definitely paramount. It's hard to avoid stepping on at least seven individual vodka and Red Bull-stained Ugg boots on the way home from the library.
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I always thought that partying and networking were part of the business major kids' extracurriculars.
They need to get out there all the time to get to know the key people, earn their trust or whatever, get internship positions, find jobs....
I don't think it's easy at all.
When you put time into studying, at least you get a good mark.
They need to get out there all the time to get to know the key people, earn their trust or whatever, get internship positions, find jobs....
I don't think it's easy at all.
When you put time into studying, at least you get a good mark.
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Nope...never felt discouraged. People are free to have their goals, but I have mine and try to worry just about them.
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hmmmmmmmmm you should come to Penn then and see how crazy the wharton undergrad kids are...they are the epitome of "GUNNER"
or go to UVA
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Well, if you were smart you would just join them rather than be jealous of them -- a business major plus the prereqs is fine for med school and you will have a lot more free time. You shouldn't hate the players, you should hate the game. And FWIW being a doctor isn't really a "loftier" goal than going corporate -- just different. You may save a few patients, but some of them may be instrumental in building a dozen hospitals. Hard to say who ends up doing more good.
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And OP for what it's worth, if you think medicine isn't ripe with the infiltrations and peril of corporate business, and that there is no business element to medicine, you've got a serious let down ahead of you.
And OP for what it's worth, if you think medicine isn't ripe with the infiltrations and peril of corporate business, and that there is no business element to medicine, you've got a serious let down ahead of you.
I never said that. My dad is a general surgeon with a private practice so I am well aware of the business element of medicine. I'm merely talking about a majority of the business majors in undergrad.
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comparing yourself to others is a recipe for misery - you obviously know this path requires various sacrifices, so just focus on what you need to do with what you've got...
being jealous/judgmental toward others isn't going to add a tenth to your GPA or 5 points to your MCAT so stop worrying about others
being jealous/judgmental toward others isn't going to add a tenth to your GPA or 5 points to your MCAT so stop worrying about others
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Communications(Ad/PR, customer relations) majors have it even easier. My roomate is one of them. He knows what his career is going to be like, and is pretty humble about it. I respect him very much, because I think he is going to be great at what he does.
Business and communications require those with more than just great people skills, they require you to be able to sell stuff that you don't necessarily believe in. And I'm not good at that/don't want to do that. At least in medicine you are selling a skill that will determine the quality of life of people that cannot be matched by any other industry (well, except maybe for drug trafficking. But that's my backup plan
)The only times that I wish he would STFU are when he talks about the workload, though. OMG 2 presentations this week? How about a bio, calc, and physics test, with a physics formal lab writeup and a computer engineering project due, all within 2 days?
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calc is easy regardless...
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I studied about 1/10th as much as any business major I knew.
Are we talking purely about undergraduate business majors here or MBA's as well? Because my significant other is a MBA student and I'd like to think he's studious, especially considering the fact that he graduated with a triple major in math, economics, and computer science from Vanderbilt.
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I'm a pre-med business major and I have to add my $.02...I think the upper level finance courses get pretty rigorous, understanding the nuances of stock valuation and stuff gets pretty tough
I've taken all my pre-req courses except Org II and i think that some of the econ classes we have to take are harder than everything (except inorg. II)
I do think business majors party alot harder than most others, except for maybe poly sci or comm
I've taken all my pre-req courses except Org II and i think that some of the econ classes we have to take are harder than everything (except inorg. II)
I do think business majors party alot harder than most others, except for maybe poly sci or comm
I probably should have been a little more specific. I'm talking about simple undergrad business majors with no goals but to get a degree in college and then take over their dad's business. They take the bare minimum for courses(and most of the time take the hard ones in the summer). I know there are a lot of quality business majors our there focusing on medical school or getting an MBA and this thread def. does not include them. I don't mean to offend anyone, just want to see if anyone else has the same frustration. I wouldn't say i'm judging, however, I was just wondering if anyone else found it annoying at times when they are just getting ready to spend a 6 hour night at the library on a Monday while all the business majors (the same ones every time) are getting ready to go out after a full day of playing XBOX.
I agree business can be very tough--my girlfriend went to Cal for business and she worked as hard as I did in my post-bac program.
Overall, I think it's really all what you make of it--there are lazy bum business majors and lazy bum pre-meds.
The lazy business bums can probably still find work at less competitive companies. The bright business guys go to Wall St, and the less-than-bright guys maybe go work for car dealerships, etc. There's room for everyone--we have so many business here in the US.
The lazy pre-med bums just don't even get into medical school. I really don't know what becomes of them... (Taco Bell?)
Personally, I think majoring in art as a pre-med is a better choice
I don't find it too annoying because right after the test is over I'm up and out and going camping or doing something fun too. I'm a bit of a nerd, but I also enjoyed studying for finals too...
I can see how it would be frustrating that the business majors are out having fun while we're working hard, but at the same time, shouldn't be be proud that they're out there enjoying their life? I'm enjoying mine, and I like to see others enjoy theirs'. I think in general us Americans work too hard, so maybe it's us pre-meds who should be changing our habits a bit.
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Ya know who I find annoying? Elitist d-bags who think of themselves as martyrs for "dedicating" themselves to such a grueling and obviously harder path than anyone else (wah wah wah). Maybe if such people were smarter they would have time to have fun as well...
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This post is so full of win.
I agree business can be very tough--my girlfriend went to Cal for business and she worked as hard as I did in my post-bac program.
Overall, I think it's really all what you make of it--there are lazy bum business majors and lazy bum pre-meds.
The lazy business bums can probably still find work at less competitive companies. The bright business guys go to Wall St, and the less-than-bright guys maybe go work for car dealerships, etc. There's room for everyone--we have so many business here in the US.
The lazy pre-med bums just don't even get into medical school. I really don't know what becomes of them... (Taco Bell?)
Personally, I think majoring in art as a pre-med is a better choice
Tell that to the rising unemployment rate.
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I was a pre-med and had just as much time to party as business majors (as well as play literally countless hours of xbox). its all how you priortize, and how effecient you are. an yes i'll be going to med school in 5 months. If your smart every major can be easy, if your not, you just bi*ch and moan about how hard you have it compared to others.
EricL for the win... I am a business major and doing Pre-med....classes are difficult in different ways. Pre-med is memorize and spit it out on the exam. While most business majors are about problem solving...there is a good harmony in both
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Agreed. As a person who previously explored the business world, there is definitely a spectrum of students as there are with pre-med. There are always those business majors who screw around and really don't learn anything in school. There are also those pre-med students whose daddies are doctors and also want to be doctors but don't put any effort into school.
Basically the cream of the crop pre-meds go to medical school and work their asses off. The cream of the crop for business students become i-banking analysts and literally work 90+ hours a week or management consultants who have the most grueling interview process ever (been there done that.)
There are slackers in any field and each has its own difficulty.
want some cheese with your whine? who cares. i was a business major before i made the switch and sure it was easier (in terms of how much time you have to put forward) but you had to do a lot of BS and kiss a lot of ass.
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Who cares? The average business major might be lucky to make $100k/year by the time they're 40 years old. I'd kill myself if I had to file TPS reports and do PowerPoint presentations on synergy for 20 years.
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I took loads of business classes (36 hours), and I didn't like any of them other than business law which was an overview of law in general, and I still draw on a limited amount of that to this day. There was also a statistics class I liked which was weird because I hate doing math. So for some reason I decided to get a second degree in business-accounting, and had no idea why. Was a whim. Was a cheap university. Police academy threw that by the wayside.
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Biz majors at my school were the bottom of the barrel intellectually. I can't remember finding any of them even remotely interesting as a person, though the chicks were pretty hot.
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There are some science majors that are pretty stupid too. You just don't hang out with them. That being said, some classes are hard but coming from a tech/business oriented field I can say that it is nowhere near as intellectually difficult as some of the stuff I encountered in science and even in German Lit. The difference is that you put your years in once you get that job. The medical field does a fair amount of sifting early on so by the time you're done with the whole process, you're pretty much guaranteed a 6 figure income. The real sifting begins after college for most business people. I have friends that put in 80 and 90 hour weeks quite often. When I was with them they'd still have their blackberry out to reply to questions. EVERY field has a few complete geniuses, a few complete idiots, and a lot of people in the middle.
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Bingo. If your dream and goal is to become a doctor, then it should not matter what anybody else is doing. Their lives are theirs, and yours is your own. I remember I had plenty of saturday nights preparing projects or studying for an upcoming test and I don't regret any bit of it. I want to be a doctor and every second I spent trying to achieve this goal is time well-spent.
OP, again, don't worry about them. Stop browsing facebook and other worthless social networking sites, they only serve to make you depressed about what you are "missing" and what everybody else is "experiencing." Keep your eyes on your prize and forget about everything else. You should sit down and re-evaluate your goals if you have trouble doing this.
edit: As a result, however, I don't fit in with many kids of my own age, don't enjoy drinking/clubbing/going to the bars, and I am most likely a hilariously boring entity in the eyes of many of my peers. Again, I feed off this and it makes me work even harder.
I'm a mathematics and biochemistry double concentrator and I definitely think classes like biochemistry take more time to study for (not harder necessarily, just more information because math is more logic-based) than the 4-5 proofs on a problem set or quiz I normally get in a math class.
