"Funny quotes from 'less informed' pre-meds," On-Topic Edition

[PA_dud3]

This is basically what my advisor said too, but she said we HAD to be a CNA. I did not become a CNA.

My CNA teacher tried to tell me if I didnt like CNA work I wouldnt be a good physician, lol

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[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

My CNA teacher tried to tell me if I didnt like CNA work I wouldnt be a good physician, lol

All those docs I worked with sure spent a lot of time changing bedpans and helping patients to the toilet.

 

[dr_kateb]

Found this in my camera roll lol. Thought it was kinda cringey. Still do.

 

[Master Thinker]

Found this in my camera roll lol. Thought it was kinda cringey. Still do.

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Yep. But kinda true though...physicians spend much time saving a patient and then they thank God.

 

[TeddyBears]

Why is this not an AMCAS work and activities category?

Hard to gauge character count otherwise it would be a shoo in!!!

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Yep. But kinda true though...physicians spend much time saving a patient and then they thank God.

Yeah I mean it’s true, but it’s cringy to wear a shirt like that about yourself lol. Same reason I think people who wear those I’m A Vet “Thank Me For My Service” shirts are cringy.

 

[907914]

Yeah I mean it’s true, but it’s cringy to wear a shirt like that about yourself lol. Same reason I think people who wear those I’m A Vet “Thank Me For My Service” shirts are cringy.

Those are the kinds of people who respond to “Thank you for your service” with “You’re welcome.”

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Those are the kinds of people who respond to “Thank you for your service” with “You’re welcome.”

Nah, I have some friends who say "you're welcome" when people say that, but they definitely don't advertise their service at all. I usually just say thanks. But it's super awkward lol. The GS shirt wearing people are the ones who take every opportunity to shoehorn a story about how they were in the service.

 

[907914]

Nah, I have some friends who say "you're welcome" when people say that, but they definitely don't advertise their service at all. I usually just say thanks. But it's super awkward lol. The GS shirt wearing people are the ones who take every opportunity to shoehorn a story about how they were in the service.

For any non-veteran who want to understand the awkwardness, it is the same feeling as when someone tries to open the bathroom stall while you are still in there and you don’t know how to respond.

To “thank you for your service”, I flip it back on them and say “I appreciate your gratitude.”

 

[PA_dud3]

When I was admin and supply officer over my NJROTC Unit I would hear every now and then how someone would go home wearing their SDBs and someone would end up paying for their food or something thinking they were active duty. You really wouldn't know unless you saw the arm badge. Thats really the only distunguishing feature. But dear goodness how ugly those Khaki NSUs were, you didn't have to worry about anyone thinking you were active duty in those, lol.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

For any non-veteran who want to understand the awkwardness, it is the same feeling as when someone tries to open the bathroom stall while you are still in there and you don’t know how to respond.

To “thank you for your service”, I flip it back on them and say “I appreciate your gratitude.”

Maybe it's because I'm active duty and we didn't even get curtains or stall doors in boot camp, and then we have like 4 toilets to share between 50 people in a berthing, but that kind of bathroom stuff does not make me feel awkward at all haha.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

When I was admin and supply officer over my NJROTC Unit I would hear every now and then how someone would go home wearing their SDBs and someone would end up paying for their food or something thinking they were active duty. You really wouldn't know unless you saw the arm badge. Thats really the only distunguishing feature. But dear goodness how ugly those Khaki NSUs were, you didn't have to worry about anyone thinking you were active duty in those, lol.

Ew. It took my wife like 5 years to get me to even start asking if places have a military discount, and I'm active duty. I can't imagine being a ROTC kid and trying to get **** for free (even if it is passively by wearing their "uniform" out).

 

[907914]

Maybe it's because I'm active duty and we didn't even get curtains or stall doors in boot camp, and then we have like 4 toilets to share between 50 people in a berthing, but that kind of bathroom stuff does not make me feel awkward at all haha.

Oh no, trust me. Active, Reserves, Army, Navy - we all know the feeling of sitting on the open concrete bench avoiding eye contact with the person across from you, and diagnal from you all while trying not to bump elbows with the people to your left and right. Nothing bathroom-wise bothers us. That is probably just the closest analogy I can provide lol

Ew. It took my wife like 5 years to get me to even start asking if places have a military discount, and I'm active duty. I can't imagine being a ROTC kid and trying to get **** for free (even if it is passively by wearing their "uniform" out).

Yah, no. ROTC shouldn’t get military discount let alone JROTC....I ONLY use military discount at Papa Murphy’s because they take off the tax and give it a 25% discount making a $20 pizza only $12. You can’t beat that.

 

[theKingLT]

I ONLY use military discount at Papa Murphy’s because they take off the tax and give it a 25% discount making a $20 pizza only $12. You can’t beat that.

Recruiters need to lead with this information. They would've had me on my 18th birthday

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Oh no, trust me. Active, Reserves, Army, Navy - we all know the feeling of sitting on the open concrete bench avoiding eye contact with the person across from you, and diagnal from you all while trying not to bump elbows with the people to your left and right. Nothing bathroom-wise bothers us. That is probably just the closest analogy I can provide lol

Yeah sometimes I forget the reservists go to regular boot. I didn't have any of them in my division.

Yah, no. ROTC shouldn’t get military discount let alone JROTC....I ONLY use military discount at Papa Murphy’s because they take off the tax and give it a 25% discount making a $20 pizza only $12. You can’t beat that.

It's like the people who get kicked out of boot camp who try to get a veteran discount. I'm like dude, you weren't even in the Navy long enough to get a uniform.

On a related note, my brother-in-law is a firefighter and gets infuriated when we go places and they have a mil discount and not a fire rescue discount haha.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Recruiters need to lead with this information. They would've had me on my 18th birthday

Dude, the smoothie king here gives me a 75% discount. I get my smoothies for a dollar lol.

 

[907914]

Recruiters need to lead with this information. They would've had me on my 18th birthday

Free Applebee’s or Red Robin every Veterans Day and Memorial Day. That’s like $40 free per year. Recruiters could totally advertise this as “lifetime annual bonus!!”

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Free Applebee’s or Red Robin every Veterans Day and Memorial Day. That’s like $40 free per year. Recruiters could totally advertise this as “lifetime annual bonus!!”

I will never eat at an Applebee's again. One year on Veterans Day, one of my chiefs called them to ask if they could pick up some free meals for all of us who were on duty (since we are stuck there for 24+ hours and can't leave). They said the person who comes can get a free meal, but we would have to pay for the rest. He called Chic-fil-A and they sent like a hundred free chicken sandwiches lol.

Chic-fil-A is the ****. They love the military. They provide free food for like every deployment homecoming for the Navy.

 

[Medic741]

Free Applebee’s or Red Robin every Veterans Day and Memorial Day. That’s like $40 free per year. Recruiters could totally advertise this as “lifetime annual bonus!!”

I’m in it for the 15% discount at LuLu personally

 

[Lawpy]

 

[965978]

Ok so I heard a joke today that made me fall out of my chair in laughter and I just HAVE to share it!!

Q: Why do some med school applicants have a hard time processing the 5 stages of grief?

A: Cause they didn’t get to the last stage: acceptance

 

[freedoctor17]

Heard some students talking about how they think AI is going to replace doctors soon

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Heard some students talking about how they think AI is going to replace doctors soon

Lol. Personally, I think anyone who says that doesn’t understand where we are at with AI.

 

[TempuraOreos]

Lol. Personally, I think anyone who says that doesn’t understand where we are at with AI.

"So tell me Dr. Siri, how much longer do I have left?" Lol

 

[907914]

Heard some students talking about how they think AI is going to replace doctors soon

While they won’t replace Doctors anytime soon, this is actually what IBM’s ‘Watson’ was designed to do (the jeopardy playing robot from several years back). Not to replace doctors but to augment. They same program that it used to synthesize information and come up with a list of most probable causes is exactly the kind of tool a Doctor can use to speed up diagnosis and enhance treatment. This kind of program could sift through a patient’s chart (lab results, notes, xrays etc) and provide feedback on a ‘whole picture’ kind of diagnosis by comparing your current patient’s state to hundreds of thousands of cases that the AI was trained on. So, while certain physician groups like Pathology and radiology may legitimately have a threat by AI due to their heavy diagnostic focus, in general AI will help augment the information synthesis part of a physician’s job (very soon, as the FDA has already begun approving different algorithms for breast cancer identification, distal fractures, kidney function...). To say they will replace physicians is a long shot, but also mischaracterizing AI simply as Siri or “We are nowhere near that capability” is a slippery slope. In 2004, leading computer scientists never thought we would have accurate voice recognition. Now, we have a google assistant capable of calling and making your appointments for you. Things change and technology advances. Just be ready when that time comes.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

"So tell me Dr. Siri, how much longer do I have left?" Lol

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

While they won’t replace Doctors anytime soon, this is actually what IBM’s ‘Watson’ was designed to do (the jeopardy playing robot from several years back). Not to replace doctors but to augment. They same program that it used to synthesize information and come up with a list of most probable causes is exactly the kind of tool a Doctor can use to speed up diagnosis and enhance treatment. This kind of program could sift through a patient’s chart (lab results, notes, xrays etc) and provide feedback on a ‘whole picture’ kind of diagnosis by comparing your current patient’s state to hundreds of thousands of cases that the AI was trained on. So, while certain physician groups like Pathology and radiology may legitimately have a threat by AI due to their heavy diagnostic focus, in general AI will help augment the information synthesis part of a physician’s job (very soon, as the FDA has already begun approving different algorithms for breast cancer identification, distal fractures, kidney function...). To say they will replace physicians is a long shot, but also mischaracterizing AI simply as Siri or “We are nowhere near that capability” is a slippery slope. In 2004, leading computer scientists never thought we would have accurate voice recognition. Now, we have a google assistant capable of calling and making your appointments for you. Things change and technology advances. Just be ready when that time comes.

And yet Watson has yet to make a correct diagnosis from scratch. What you are describing in the second half of your post is what is much more likely to happen. They’ve shown AI is really good at doing really focused tasks (like planning resuscitation for a specific patient or determining if a chest x-ray has pneumonia), and those tasks will be used by physicians to eliminate errors, individualize care more, and spend more time with patients. It will help us, not replace us.

Of course that assumes our generation isn’t as money hungry and ****ed up as the baby boomers.

 

[Princeton Medical Student]

While they won’t replace Doctors anytime soon, this is actually what IBM’s ‘Watson’ was designed to do (the jeopardy playing robot from several years back). Not to replace doctors but to augment. They same program that it used to synthesize information and come up with a list of most probable causes is exactly the kind of tool a Doctor can use to speed up diagnosis and enhance treatment. This kind of program could sift through a patient’s chart (lab results, notes, xrays etc) and provide feedback on a ‘whole picture’ kind of diagnosis by comparing your current patient’s state to hundreds of thousands of cases that the AI was trained on. So, while certain physician groups like Pathology and radiology may legitimately have a threat by AI due to their heavy diagnostic focus, in general AI will help augment the information synthesis part of a physician’s job (very soon, as the FDA has already begun approving different algorithms for breast cancer identification, distal fractures, kidney function...). To say they will replace physicians is a long shot, but also mischaracterizing AI simply as Siri or “We are nowhere near that capability” is a slippery slope. In 2004, leading computer scientists never thought we would have accurate voice recognition. Now, we have a google assistant capable of calling and making your appointments for you. Things change and technology advances. Just be ready when that time comes.

We can barely get a decent ML algo to do ECG analysis. In the end, AI will likely highly augment a physician, but I doubt it will ever be used as anything but a tool in the toolbox.

 

[Princeton Medical Student]

To beat out the previous ****-up in saying "genuses" a dumb premed called a 2-mer literally "twomer" instead of "dimer".
It was me again, send help

 

[PA_dud3]

"So apparently, if you want to be a doctor you practice for a couple years after med school and then can do residency if you want."

Hopeless.

 

[907914]

"So apparently, if you want to be a doctor you practice for a couple years after med school and then can do residency if you want."

Hopeless.

There are actually some programs through the HPSP that depending on the branch you can actually graduate from medical school and then go serve as a general medical officer for a year or more before going to residency. Maybe this pre-med is getting all of their advice from a recruiter?

 

[PA_dud3]

There are actually some programs through the HPSP that depending on the branch you can actually graduate from medical school and then go serve as a general medical officer for a year or more before going to residency. Maybe this pre-med is getting all of their advice from a recruiter?

He's pre-pharm and decides what specialty he is interested in by the big numbers in the salary reports he googles.

 

[907914]

We can barely get a decent ML algo to do ECG analysis. In the end, AI will likely highly augment a physician, but I doubt it will ever be used as anything but a tool in the toolbox.

I just recently read a paper on machine learning being utilized in robotic laparoscopic surgeries. Apparently the program senses micro movements of the surgeon on the controls for the robot and adjusts for those micro movements so that they don’t cause small peripheral lacerations. I didn’t get a chance to sit down and read the full paper, but it seems interesting that even in surgery machine learning can be integrated. But like you said, it won’t ever replace The surgeon, but it will most certainly be used as a means of enhancing patient care and patient well-being.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

We can barely get a decent ML algo to do ECG analysis. In the end, AI will likely highly augment a physician, but I doubt it will ever be used as anything but a tool in the toolbox.

Yeah, things are getting better though. They've shown that AI plans resuscitation in sepsis better than most of the docs they put it against, and they used ML to be able to diagnose pneumonia in chest x-rays better than a small cohort of radiologists. Obviously that's super limited, but it definitely is getting better as it goes on. But yes, I agree. I don't think it will ever be more than a tool if we're smart about it.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

I just recently read a paper on machine learning being utilized in robotic laparoscopic surgeries. Apparently the program senses micro movements of the surgeon on the controls for the robot and adjusts for those micro movements so that they don’t cause small peripheral lacerations. I didn’t get a chance to sit down and read the full paper, but it seems interesting that even in surgery machine learning can be integrated. But like you said, it won’t ever replace The surgeon, but it will most certainly be used as a means of enhancing patient care and patient well-being.

If it's in reference to the Da Vinci, the data is actually not very supportive of its use in most things. Outcomes seem to be the same, and recovery is the same or worse than traditional laparoscopy.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

There are actually some programs through the HPSP that depending on the branch you can actually graduate from medical school and then go serve as a general medical officer for a year or more before going to residency. Maybe this pre-med is getting all of their advice from a recruiter?

This is with all three branches, but you are required to at least do an intern year first, as you cannot practice medicine without a license.

 

[M&L]

so i just had a meeting with 3 doctors (friends), trying to discuss with them what school i should choose. Afterwards i called my MOM (lives in Russia - i am an immigrant).
I was trying to explain to her the difference between primary care schools and research schools, and why a lot of people believe that if you want to be a specialist of some sort, you REALLY should consider going to a school that specializes in research, because it will give you more experience in the narrower specialty, and give you a chance to do research that is crucial for competitive specialities (try applying to Neurosurgery, for example, if you dont have any research experience).
to which my mom said.... that research does not matter at all, unless you want to do only research after you finish medical school. She said that an idea that research would even matter sounds ridiculous. [honestly, i see her point]. She also added that if i want to be emergency medicine physician (which is what i am considering at the moment, while keeping my options open, of course), i should go to a primary care school, where i can learn how to be a good primary care physician, good OB/GYN, good pediatrician, and all those things combined would make me a good EM doc..... And she added that these are all the specialties that matter anyway, and i will be a better specialist (EM), if i focus on primary care... And i should forget wasting my time on research during medical school...

i LOVE my mom..... but i think i should stop asking her for advice when it comes to medical school )). Right now she thinks that i am making the biggest mistake of my life choosing research schools vs primary care school, despite the fact that this school has a much more impressive match list in the specialties that i am considering (also, as a Biochemist i DO love bench research). Anyway... I am giving up )))

 

[de Ribas]

Heard some students talking about how they think AI is going to replace doctors soon

If you will have robots everywhere, why do you even need doctors?

 

[907914]

If you will have robots everywhere, why do you even need doctors?

To clarify - AI =/= Robots

 

[de Ribas]

To clarify - AI =/= Robots

I get it. Slightly different point I am trying to make here.

 

[de Ribas]

so i just had a meeting with 3 doctors (friends), trying to discuss with them what school i should choose. Afterwards i called my MOM (lives in Russia - i am an immigrant).
I was trying to explain to her the difference between primary care schools and research schools, and why a lot of people believe that if you want to be a specialist of some sort, you REALLY should consider going to a school that specializes in research, because it will give you more experience in the narrower specialty, and give you a chance to do research that is crucial for competitive specialities (try applying to Neurosurgery, for example, if you dont have any research experience).
to which my mom said.... that research does not matter at all, unless you want to do only research after you finish medical school. She said that an idea that research would even matter sounds ridiculous. [honestly, i see her point]. She also added that if i want to be emergency medicine physician (which is what i am considering at the moment, while keeping my options open, of course), i should go to a primary care school, where i can learn how to be a good primary care physician, good OB/GYN, good pediatrician, and all those things combined would make me a good EM doc..... And she added that these are all the specialties that matter anyway, and i will be a better specialist (EM), if i focus on primary care... And i should forget wasting my time on research during medical school...

i LOVE my mom..... but i think i should stop asking her for advice when it comes to medical school )). Right now she thinks that i am making the biggest mistake of my life choosing research schools vs primary care school, despite the fact that this school has a much more impressive match list in the specialties that i am considering (also, as a Biochemist i DO love bench research). Anyway... I am giving up )))

Most public in US doesn't understand how med schools, rotations and residency work; even harder to explain this to someone from another country.

 

[M&L]

Most public in US doesn't understand how med schools, rotstions and residency work; even harder to explain this to someone from another country.

Oh definitely! In Russia medical school is bachelors plus masters together , while in US it is a graduate degree . My mom was complaining for months “what’s the point of spending all the effort on becoming a biochemist if you won’t do it ?” (My BS is in biochemistry )))

 

[de Ribas]

Oh definitely! In Russia medical school is bachelors plus masters together , while in US it is a graduate degree . My mom was complaining for months “what’s the point of spending all the effort on becoming a biochemist if you won’t do it ?” (My BS is in biochemistry )))

Don't they also specialize right away in med school? Like if they have a certain specialty track.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Don't they also specialize right away in med school? Like if they have a certain specialty track.

Sometimes. CMSRU has a primary are track where you are locked into a primary care specialty. But Quillen has a rural primary care track that doesn't lock you into anything. Just depends.

 

[M&L]

Don't they also specialize right away in med school? Like if they have a certain specialty track.

Yes ! Which I think is ridiculous . Imagine - as an 18 year old kid right out of high school you are supposed to know what kind of doctor you wanna be . It was also hard for me to explain to mom why I don’t have to decide now ))

 

[M&L]

Sometimes. CMSRU has a primary are track where you are locked into a primary care specialty. But Quillen has a rural primary care track that doesn't lock you into anything. Just depends.

I think he was talking about Russia . In Russia you have to chose surgery vs peds vs something else right away . When you are 18

 

[de Ribas]

I think he was talking about Russia . In Russia you have to chose surgery vs peds vs something else right away . When you are 18

Yep. One of my friends, who is now MD neurologist in US, said he went on neurology track right after high school. In fact, in his med school there they even have pharmacy and dental programs. It is slightly a different model than here.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

I think he was talking about Russia . In Russia you have to chose surgery vs peds vs something else right away . When you are 18

Ah, gotcha. Makes sense (that he was talking about Russia, not that they specialize so early).

 

[capriccio]

I was talking to a parent of someone who is just about to enter college/be a premed, and the parent told me (under the guise of offering me some sage advice) that if a doctor doesn't do research throughout their career, then they aren't a truly high quality physician. And I was just kind of like

 

[OrthoTraumaMD]

I feel like those attributes make you a good/bad doctor. There is no reason to be rude, and adding a 50k watch is just ridiculous. You spend all of that money on a watch, but you hardly ever spend the time to watch... time. I’ll take my Apple Watch any day.

I disagree. I own a very expensive watch, and I love nice things/jewelry. I don’t wear it to work, however. I am still a nice person (or try to be). It’s not the accessories that make the d-bag, it’s the personality that comes with the accessories.

Now, the Ortho I shadowed was hell on wheels. Was he having a good day or bad day? Who knew. But you better bet all 5’5 of him was going to let you know. Great surgeon, but he was a major d-bag.

Ahhh... little man syndrome. Most Orthopods I know who are below 5’7” have some form of it. They have to be more aggressive to survive the residency, because people make fun of them. To quote jessica rabbit, “I’m not bad, I’m just drawn that way.”

Edit: hahaha I just realized someone already tagged me on the thread!! But I don’t see those messages for some reason, so I’m just reading it now.