"Funny quotes from 'less informed' pre-meds," On-Topic Edition

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An argument I once heard from someone who went to college for her Mrs. (And became a teacher with the plan to be a stay at home mom once she had children): wouldnt you want your children to be raised by someone who is well-educated and can help them pursue whatever path they want in life?
That was kind of my first point. If it's something that they value, that they care about their courses, and grow from it, then it's valuable even if they don't use the degree for work. But I think we're more talking about people who don't care at all about classes and cheat/cram their way to straight C's in a blow off major. I would not consider someone like that any more educated than someone with only a high school education, but they would be at least (slightly) more employable

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That was kind of my first point. If it's something that they value, that they care about their courses, and grow from it, then it's valuable even if they don't use the degree for work. But I think we're more talking about people who don't care at all about classes and cheat/cram their way to straight C's in a blow off major. I would not consider someone like that any more educated than someone with only a high school education, but they would be at least (slightly) more employable
Sorry I don't see a comment about them cheating/cramming through their degree, I thought it was just that they generally take really "easy" majors that dont necessarily have great job prospects. So my response agreed with yours about how higher education can be good or useful even if not used for work.
 
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Would you want someone like that to work for you? To trust them with your business, your clients? I’m not talking about those who got pregnant and had to take some time off. I’m talking about the true mrs degree, who only got the degree to secure a social position as a wife, and has demonstrably shown they’re willing to abandon the potential of education the moment their life allows it? And then go back to “work” when they feel like it? I wouldn’t trust that person to walk my dog. It shows that they “value” education not for its own sake, but only for what it can gain them in terms of looking for a mate. It is disgustingly selfish. There are many different ways to educate oneself, and not everyone is entitled to a college degree. They can to a damn library and read some books.

And I disagree about the zero sum game. There were only so many spots available for the college program I was in-50, to be exact. There were about 250 applicants. If someone took that spot, that means someone else did not. Maybe they went elsewhere, sure. But maybe not.
I know college admissions aren't perfect but that program sounds reasonably competetive and if they worked hard enough in high school to be accepted over 200 other people maybe they do deserve to be there even if they are not planning to use it in a career (though of course I dont know what your program taught). I can see your point though.
 
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Would you want someone like that to work for you? To trust them with your business, your clients? I’m not talking about those who got pregnant and had to take some time off. I’m talking about the true mrs degree, who only got the degree to meet a college educated man, and secure a social position as a wife, and has demonstrably shown they’re willing to abandon the potential of education the moment their life allows it? And then go back to “work” when they feel like it? I wouldn’t trust that person to walk my dog. It shows that they “value” education not for its own sake, but only for what it can gain them in terms of looking for a mate. It is disgustingly selfish. There are many different ways to educate oneself, and not everyone is entitled to a college degree. People claw and die for a chance at education in other places. They give up everything to immigrate here and get a little chance to study at American universities, like I did. I was valedictorian at my school but was told that I couldn’t get into Harvard because I didn’t have any legacy, and no one to speak for me. Who took my place, I wonder? To get a degree just for your own pleasure is so elitist and awful. If you want to educate yourself outside of college, you can to a damn public library and read some books.

And I disagree about the zero sum game. There were only so many spots available for the college program I was in-50, to be exact. There were about 250 applicants. If someone took that spot, that means someone else did not. Maybe they went elsewhere, sure. But maybe not.

I would not want someone like that working for me, but I don't think that changes the fact that a degree makes you more employable. I added the qualifier "slightly" because there are so many other factors and like you said someone with that track record/personality is not someone you generally want working for you, but hiring practices are far from perfect...

As for the zero-sum game, it really depends on where you're looking. My experience is with my state school, not Harvard, so I'm limited in viewpoint, but I do not think many students at Harvard and the likes are pursuing mrs degrees. Someone correct me if im wrong, but that just doesnt seem logical to me, as those are some of the most ambitious students in the country. Meanwhile at my state school the class size expands every year and competitiveness for entry remains very low. It is not a zero-sum game for admission, and the plethora of Mrs degrees and party-boy frat boys help fund the school and scholarships for the high achieving and low SES. Does it seem wrong when there are millions who kill for higher education worldwide? Yes, but so is the distribution of resources in our world. Just because something is not "ideal", does not mean it doesn't have value
 
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Saw this on Instagram today. The poster is an 18-year-old high school graduate. She posted about all the things she's done and all the things she plans to do at certain ages.

16: Started nursing career while in high school
17: Finished LPN program
18: Graduated with Associate Nursing Degree
19: Will graduate with Bachelors Degree
20: Will become an FNP
21: Will go to medical school to become an Obstetric Pediatric Surgical Gynecologist.

The timeline and career choice seem to be a little wacky.
 
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Saw this on Instagram today. The poster is an 18-year-old high school graduate. She posted about all the things she's done and all the things she plans to do at certain ages.

16: Started nursing career while in high school
17: Finished LPN program
18: Graduated with Associate Nursing Degree
19: Will graduate with Bachelors Degree
20: Will become an FNP
21: Will go to medical school to become an Obstetric Pediatric Surgical Gynecologist.

The timeline and career choice seem to be a little wacky.

Ah yes, the extremely prestigious specialty of OPSG.
 
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The market for physicians of pregnant children sadly (probably?) exists in some local. Maybe OP wants to pioneer a specialty.

Peds OB/GYN is a sub-specialty. They don't just deal with pregnant women. The GYN part is just as important.

I was laughing at the wording.
 
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Peds OB/GYN is a sub-specialty. They don't just deal with pregnant women. The GYN part is just as important.

I was laughing at the wording.
My money’s on clueless for this one
Didn’t even realize pediatric OB/GYN was a thing. Reading the funny wording made me think of what I said. Now I know. Makes sense.

Who does handle teenage/childhood pregnancy though? Would a pediatric OB/GYN or regular?
 
Didn’t even realize pediatric OB/GYN was a thing. Reading the funny wording made me think of what I said. Now I know. Makes sense.

Who does handle teenage/childhood pregnancy though? Would a pediatric OB/GYN or regular?

I have never encountered a pediatric OBGYN. The teen pregnancies I’ve encountered all follow with regular OBGs. Maybe there’s a fellowship out there somewhere but it’s not really necessary from what I can tell. They all come out the same 2 ways.
 
Didn’t even realize pediatric OB/GYN was a thing. Reading the funny wording made me think of what I said. Now I know. Makes sense.

Who does handle teenage/childhood pregnancy though? Would a pediatric OB/GYN or regular?

Pregnant adolescents go to a regular OB/GYN.

Pediatric gyn is primarily things like fertility preservation for girls undergoing chemo treatments that will render them infertile.
 
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I have never encountered a pediatric OBGYN. The teen pregnancies I’ve encountered all follow with regular OBGs. Maybe there’s a fellowship out there somewhere but it’s not really necessary from what I can tell. They all come out the same 2 ways.

There are fellowships out there but I’ve never actually met one.
 
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I’m sure that she really meant to write Obstetric Pediatric Cardiothorasic Surgical Gynecologist. :D :D
I know Fetal Neurosurgeon is the go-to joke specialty, but did y’all know there is a fetal general surgery fellowship in Cincinnati?
 
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The market for physicians of pregnant children sadly (probably?) exists in some local. Maybe OP wants to pioneer a specialty.
I was kinda thinking that she wanted to be an OB/GYN plus a pediatric surgeon. She probably wanted to deliver babies and do their surgeries if they ever needed it. The wording of the specialty is too weird to be sure. What ever it is, it sounds like some Grey's anatomy type ish.
 
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I was kinda thinking that she wanted to be an OB/GYN plus a pediatric surgeon. She probably wanted to deliver babies and do their surgeries if they ever needed it. The wording of the specialty is too weird to be sure. What ever it is, it sounds like some Grey's anatomy type ish.
Is there a specialty where you can deliver a baby and after delivery be like “This baby needs heart surgery now” and then take the baby to the OR or whatever? Like...That sounds, as you said, very “Grey’s anatomy” but talk about continuity... Could a rural dual board IM/GS do that? Is IM/GS a thing?
 
Is there a specialty where you can deliver a baby and after delivery be like “This baby needs heart surgery now” and then take the baby to the OR or whatever? Like...That sounds, as you said, very “Grey’s anatomy” but talk about continuity... Could a rural dual board IM/GS do that? Is IM/GS a thing?
I'm not talking about taking a baby to surgery right after birth, but some babies are born with defects or illnesses that cause them to need surgery. Alex Karev was a pediatric surgeon on grey's anatomy. I never watched it much but I think he did perform surgery on babies and maybe even delivered one. I don't think Obstetric Pediatric Surgery Gynecologists exist in real life but she might have been inspired by this show.
 
IM doesn't do OB/deliveries or peds, nor do general surgeons. So no, they couldn't do that. The only scenario I could imagine where one could theoretically take care of both mom and baby during delivery, THEN go to surgery, is a double boarded FM doc and peds surgeon (gen surg + peds surg fellowship), but even that is kinda ridiculous and you'd certainly have other specialists involved (neonatology, pediatric cards, maternal-fetal medicine, etc.).

It does not appear that IM/GS dual residencies exist: Internal Medicine Residency Training Combined With Other Disciplines | Combined Training Programs | ACP

Doesn't seem like FM/GS dual residencies currently exist either (Cross-training FPs, General Surgeons Could Enhance Health Care in Rural America), though I think it would be hypothetically more likely than IM/GS as FM residencies do have some surgical training built in and IM residencies do not.
I know during my shadowing at a (extremely) rural hospital, the FM doc managed both the ER and the inpatients and completed a C section and subsequently followed up as the provider of care for both mother and child. I wonder what would happen if there were complications?
 
Rural FM can do a decent amount with appropriate training at the right residency program. If things get hairy and above the level of care the FP can provide, they will usually either refer/consult to a specialist, or ship the patient out to another center where the care they need is available.
I do recall her having a long Skype call with a burn specialist at UW Med for a hand burn...so that makes sense.

Rural FM is awesome.

Edit: will it win over any adcoms if my description for that shadowing is just “Rural FM is awesome.”
 
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I do recall her having a long Skype call with a burn specialist at UW Med for a hand burn...so that makes sense.

Rural FM is awesome.

Edit: will it win over any adcoms if my description for that shadowing is just “Rural FM is awesome.”

Don’t forget you are held to the standard of whatever specialty you are doing an intervention for. Managing an ED? You are held to an EM boarded physician standard. Deliver a baby? You are judged against what a boarded OB/GYN would do. Etc.

As for delivering a baby and then performing surgery on it, that is extremely unlikely. The kind of place that has a general surgeon doing a section or an FP delivering a baby in an ED they are managing is not going to be a place with the resources to do and care for the kind of procedures that are done on newborns.
 
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Who does handle teenage/childhood pregnancy though? Would a pediatric OB/GYN or regular?
When I worked in pediatrics we turfed all pregnant patients to an adult OB. The general line of thinking was that if a patient was able to conceive then they were adults in the medical sense of the word (i.e. post-pubescent). I can see where there may be a need for a peds OB to help with some of the psycho-social aspects, though.
 
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When I worked in pediatrics we turfed all pregnant patients to an adult OB. The general line of thinking was that if a patient was able to conceive then they were adults in the medical sense of the word (i.e. post-pubescent). I can see where there may be a need for a peds OB to help with some of the psycho-social aspects, though.

There’s a lot of evidence now though that kids need to be looked at as kids and not just little adults.

But either way, the peds OB/GYN fellowships seem to focus on the GYN part, i.e., fixing congenital anomalies, ovarian torsions, etc.
 
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There’s a lot of evidence now though that kids need to be looked at as kids and not just little adults.
Agreed. But you get into a gray area when you try to define the difference between child and adult. Legally, it's 18 years old, but medically, it's generally considered to be puberty/sexual maturity. So the thought goes that if they are pregnant, they need the care of an adult OB.
 
Agreed. But you get into a gray area when you try to define the difference between child and adult. Legally, it's 18 years old, but medically, it's generally considered to be puberty/sexual maturity. So the thought goes that if they are pregnant, they need the care of an adult OB.

The adolescent medicine folks might disagree with you. I’ve heard many of them say an adolescent really isn’t an adult medically until about 24-25.
 
The adolescent medicine folks might disagree with you. I’ve heard many of them say an adolescent really isn’t an adult medically until about 24-25.
Oh, I expect plenty of people disagree with me! I'm by no means an expert. And like everything else in medicine, there are 100 different opinions on it. The pediatric trauma surgeons I used to work with tried sending all trauma patients older than 14 to the adult center.
 
Oh, I expect plenty of people disagree with me! I'm by no means an expert. And like everything else in medicine, there are 100 different opinions on it. The pediatric trauma surgeons I used to work with tried sending all trauma patients older than 14 to the adult center.

Well I’m sure we could keep talking about it, but this is supposed to be the on topic version.
 
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So the thought goes that if they are pregnant, they need the care of an adult OB

I’ve heard many of them say an adolescent really isn’t an adult medically until about 24-25


Well I’m sure we could keep talking about it, but this is supposed to be the on topic version.

This line of thought is decidedly not funny - makes me very sad to think of the girls who need an OB at this age (some girls are entering puberty and starting menstruation as 8 year olds...definitely not an adult, nor of any sort of consenting age).

Back to funny, please. This one was a sad detour.
 
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You never know when some kid's GI innervations are gonna explode from cancer.

Update on this...98% through MS1 and I might have found a very hypothetical possibility for this instance.

Perineural invasion by pancreatic ductal adenocarcinoma. Let's say, by some horribly bad luck, you end up with necrosis of that tissue, cyst formation, and then explosive rupture of that cyst. MAYBE. JUST MAYBE. Then you would need to page your friendly local pediatric neurogastroenterological trauma surgeon!
 
Update on this...98% through MS1 and I might have found a very hypothetical possibility for this instance.

Perineural invasion by pancreatic ductal adenocarcinoma. Let's say, by some horribly bad luck, you end up with necrosis of that tissue, cyst formation, and then explosive rupture of that cyst. MAYBE. JUST MAYBE. Then you would need to page your friendly local pediatric neurogastroenterological trauma surgeon!
He's been waiting all his life for that patient
 
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Hate to be the guy but is this thread 95 pages of “talk down/insult premeds so my stethoscope appears bigger”
 
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Hate to be the guy but is this thread 95 pages of “talk down/insult premeds so my stethoscope appears bigger”
As a former stupid premed and a current ill-informed applicant, I can tell you we deserve the derision.
 
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Hate to be the guy but is this thread 95 pages of “talk down/insult premeds so my stethoscope appears bigger”
You bumped the thread just to throw it off topic :cryi: . Now we're gonna have to start "talking down/insult premeds" to get it back on track *sigh*
 
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Hate to be the guy but is this thread 95 pages of “talk down/insult premeds so my stethoscope appears bigger”

You kiddin me, Clark? Most of us are pre-meds/MS-0’s in here. We are trying to make our MCAT scores look bigger, duh.
 
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Several months ago, a premed was telling me that she was prepping to take the MCAT last March so she could apply in June. She began detailing her situation and grades. She had retaken Bio II and Chem II at a community college because she had failed them at her university. She was surprised to learn that her C- in both Bio I and Chem II weren’t going to be accepted, not to mention how naive it was for her to have attempted Bio II and Chem II when her foundation was so weak. Both of her GPAs are sub 3.0. Also learned that she was planning to take the MCAT without having taken any physics, biochem or any study of psych or sociology.
Last week she sent me a message asking me to proofread her PS. I asked her what her MCAT score was and it was probably the lowest score possible. When I told her to save her money because she wouldn’t get any acceptances, she replied that she “interviews very well.” :smack: :whoa:
 
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When I told her to save her money because she wouldn’t get any acceptances, she replied that she “interviews very well.”
It is uninformed and determined applicants like this who make up the almost half (47%) of applicants that submit with a sub-506 MCAT and really make the "Only 40% get in" statistic seem not as scary...
 
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It is uninformed and determined applicants like this who make up the almost half (47%) of applicants that submit with a sub-506 MCAT and really make the "Only 40% get in" statistic seem not as scary...
This happens with Faculty jobs as well. You'd be surprised that whenever we advertise for, say, an Anatomy position, we get CVs from geneticists, microbiologists, biochemists or botanists.

"I could learn how to teach that" must be their mindset.
 
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This happens with Faculty jobs as well. You'd be surprised that whenever we advertise for, say, an Anatomy position, we get CVs from geneticists, microbiologists, biochemists or botanists.

"I could learn how to teach that" must be their mindset.
That happens at all levels of employment, unfortunately. I have so many students who don't know what they want to do during their gap year (what do you do with a general biology degree?) that come to me and ask "Hey MemeLord, you work as a Medical Lab tech, right? Know any hospitals in the area hiring?" I mean....you need to complete this year long class+clinical rotation program to be certified to do it....I know the jobs, but you don't qualify...
 
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This happens with Faculty jobs as well. You'd be surprised that whenever we advertise for, say, an Anatomy position, we get CVs from geneticists, microbiologists, biochemists or botanists.

"I could learn how to teach that" must be their mindset.

I think the mindset might also be "I just want a faculty position somewhere, anywhere, doing anything. Please."

Can't fault them in the current environment of academia, in my opinion. It does seem a bit inefficient to apply to far out of your field, though.
 
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