Gen Surg Res. Yo!

[Avanafil]

Hey Peeps,

How hard is it to go from a DO school to a community general surgery residency?

What are the hours like for a *community* GS residency?

What is the pay like after residency?

As always, thanks!

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[W19]

1)Moderately hard

2)Most (if not all) surgical specialties have hellish hours.

3) 300k-400k/year

You are welcome!

 

[Avanafil]

3) 300k-400k/year

WHOA. Really? I thought the average for gen surg was 250k for NON-community programs. Do you have any sources to support the 300-400? Thanks Mona.

 

[W19]

WHOA. Really? I thought the average for gen surg was 250k for NON-community programs. Do you have any sources to support the 300-400? Thanks Mona.

I think MGMA put it at high 200s, but I worked with a few gen surgeons in the OR in 2011 that say it's in 300k+

 

[IslandStyle808]

WHOA. Really? I thought the average for gen surg was 250k for NON-community programs. Do you have any sources to support the 300-400? Thanks Mona.

Most sources don't give an accurate number. There are some who have commented about this in the thread below, I hope this helps (posts 10 and 13, plus several others).

/http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/having-trouble-deciding-gen-surg-vs-ortho.1156200/

 

[Avanafil]

What do you guys think is the bare minimum for a graduate of a community general surgery residency?

And my dad, a doctor, said that getting into a GS res is not hard because no one wants to do it. Is that true?

 

[W19]

What do you guys think is the bare minimum for a graduate of a community general surgery residency?

And my dad, a doctor, said that getting into a GS res is not hard because no one wants to do it. Is that true?

As long as you can do the job, most (or many) employers don't care whether you graduate from a community program or not... In the MD world, general surgery is not extremely competitive. It is probably the same for DO... Average step1 score with some research should get you a spot. I am not sure why you put so much emphasis on community program..

 

[Avanafil]

As long as you can do the job, most (or many) employers don't care whether you graduate from a community program or not... In the MD world, general surgery is not extremely competitive. It is probably the same for DO... Average step1 score with some research should get you a spot. I am not sure why you put so much emphasis on community program..

Emphasis on community program because I hear they are easier to get in to, and they are less busy and more patient focused. I'd rather talk with Mrs. Jones about her gallbladder removal than try to simultaneously remove bullets from Jamal and Shaniqua in a city program. Is my thinking flawed? What are the advantages/disadvantages to city/academic/community programs?

I'd be so happy with something like this: (nice clean building, nice facility, nice people, etc.)

 

[Petypet]

I'd rather talk with Mrs. Jones about her gallbladder removal than try to simultaneously remove bullets from Jamal and Shaniqua in a city program. (nice clean building, nice facility, nice people, etc.)

Slightly, just slightly misinformed.

 

[W19]

Your thinking is not flawed... You have your preference and other people have theirs and that's ok... Being trained well should be your first priority... In general, community programs are easier to get into... I am not sure that youtube link is a community program...

 

[Shinobiz11]

I'd rather talk with Mrs. Jones about her gallbladder removal than try to simultaneously remove bullets from Jamal and Shaniqua in a city program.

I don't think I've ever laughed so much from an SDN post.

 

[Avanafil]

I don't think I've ever laughed so much from an SDN post.

you racist m*****f*****

 

[DopaDO]

1) General Surgery is one of the few fields that still carries a solid amount of DO bias. You will need to be at least slightly above average to have a shot.

2) for the most part, general surgeons (and all specialties) are paid the same regardless of where they trained for any one position. There is typically a difference in pay if you choose to be in academics (typically a good deal less)

3) Regardless of where residency is, you will work 80 hours per week in a surgery residency. Some may work you more and find a way around the hour restrictions (which very well may be going away).

4) General surgery sucks badly. Unless you hate yourself, choose something else (hope I don't get too much flack for this ha)

 

[Avanafil]

1) General Surgery is one of the few fields that still careers a solid amount of DO bias. You will need to be at least slightly above average to have a shot.

2) for the most part, general surgeons (and all specialties) are paid the same regardless of where they trained for any one position. There is typically a difference in pay if you choose to be in academics (typically a good deal less)
3) Regardless of where residency is, you will work 80 hours per week in a surgery residency. Some may work you more and find a way around the hour restrictions (which very well may be going away).
4) General surgery sucks badly. Unless you hate yourself, choose something else (hope I don't get too much flack for this ha)

From your username, are you a DO? whats your specialty?

I really like the idea of actually doing something with my hands. My dad mentioned interventional radiology? any other ideas for "surgery alternatives"? i mean i'm pretty much already a pain management doctor on the streets, but you know, id prefer something legal

 

[Dr. Death]

From your username, are you a DO? whats your specialty?

I really like the idea of actually doing something with my hands. My dad mentioned interventional radiology? any other ideas for "surgery alternatives"? i mean i'm pretty much already a pain management doctor on the streets, but you know, id prefer something legal

From his profile it looks like opthomology. So he apparently cares a bit about lifestyle and knows about matching into a competitive specialty

 

[Dr. Death]

Wondering as a side question. How competitive is trauma surgery as a fellowship?

 

[67552931811]

You can do a procedure based speciality and just do procedures all day long. A la cath lab, cc unit only, etc

 

[W19]

Wondering as a side question. How competitive is trauma surgery as a fellowship?

Not competitive at all since no one wants to do it...

 

[67552931811]

Wondering as a side question. How competitive is trauma surgery as a fellowship?

I'm fairly certain it's pretty damn low on the competitive totum pole.

Their lifestyle is horrible, even for surgeons.

 

[SLC]

Most of the general surgeons I know who work in semi-private practice back home make a good deal more than $300K. One of them makes 7 figures pretty regularly.

The key is finding a niche to specialize in, for the 7 figures guy it seems like he does an aweful lot of mastectomies and lumpectomies. Plus he works very very hard, he was the only one in the practice who wouldn't work with med-students, probably because they'd slow him down and only allow him to make $945,000 or something.

If I were going into gem surg (and you could never get me to do that...ever) I would be planning to shoot for a plastics fellowship. That's a pretty sweet gig right there!

But the plastic surgeon I rotated with said its the one fellowship that is pretty closed off to DO applicants, even ones who trained in MD residencies.

 

[Avanafil]

Most of the general surgeons I know who work in semi-private practice back home make a good deal more than $300K. One of them makes 7 figures pretty regularly.

The key is finding a niche to specialize in, for the 7 figures guy it seems like he does an aweful lot of mastectomies and lumpectomies. Plus he works very very hard, he was the only one in the practice who wouldn't work with med-students, probably because they'd slow him down and only allow him to make $945,000 or something.

If I were going into gem surg (and you could never get me to do that...ever) I would be planning to shoot for a plastics fellowship. That's a pretty sweet gig right there!

But the plastic surgeon I rotated with said its the one fellowship that is pretty closed off to DO applicants, even ones who trained in MD residencies.

what stops some other general surgeon from taking some of that guy's mastectomies? thats the part of business i don't understand right now

 

[W19]

Most of the general surgeons I know who work in semi-private practice back home make a good deal more than $300K. One of them makes 7 figures pretty regularly.

The key is finding a niche to specialize in, for the 7 figures guy it seems like he does an aweful lot of mastectomies and lumpectomies. Plus he works very very hard, he was the only one in the practice who wouldn't work with med-students, probably because they'd slow him down and only allow him to make $945,000 or something.

If I were going into gem surg (and you could never get me to do that...ever) I would be planning to shoot for a plastics fellowship. That's a pretty sweet gig right there!

But the plastic surgeon I rotated with said its the one fellowship that is pretty closed off to DO applicants, even ones who trained in MD residencies.

Seriously!

 

[frosted_flake]

I shadow a general surgeon, she is a DO, and she is FREAKING AWESOME!!!!!!

 

[SLC]

what stops some other general surgeon from taking some of that guy's mastectomies? thats the part of business i don't understand right now

Nothing really, except the fact that this guy has built a bit of a reputation for being the guy you want to go to if you need that type of surgery.

The guy I rotated with in that office was the pancreatic surgery specialist it seemed. I have no idea how much he makes.

The plastic surgeon I'd wager is making in the neighborhood of $700k based on conversations we had...he encouraged me to do Anesthesia BTW, not that I was considering it, but he said that's what he'd do if he were starting over again. That or GI. Apparently it's not very hard to make ¾ of a million scoping people all day as a PP Gastro.

I will say that the plastic surgeon seemed very fixated on income, which is probably his right after 7+ years of post graduate training.