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Hey all, list interesting ones if you know of them. I havn't read these yet, but plan to because they look good! Put critiques if you have them too!

The Intern Blues - Robert Marion
Complications - Atul Gawande
On Call - Emily Transue

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house of god - samuel shem

i've just started reading it. so far so good.
 
I agree, House of God is crucial. It's sort of sick and twisted at times [and you'll have the PC police jump all over you and call you sick for reading it since that's just how they are about everything], but it is funny and actually has some good messages buried in there. If nothing else, I found it very entertaining.
 
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Gifted Hands - Ben Carson
Year of the Intern- Robin Cook
Surviving the Extremes: A Doctor's Journey to the Limits of Human Endurance - Kenneth Kamler
Why Do Men Have Nipples? Hundreds of Questions You'd Only Ask a Doctor After Your Third Martini- Mark Leyner
 
I try to refrain from reading anything work related if at all possible unless it's necessary for me to stay current on what I need to know. May I suggest finding a hobby?
 
Well, this isn't a book by a doctor or anything, but before med school we were required to read "My Sister's Keeper" by Jodi Picoult. Turns out it was a really really good book...very well-written and thought-provoking. A lot of medical ethics issues are brought up and the like.

UTPremed can chime in here, but at least I would highly recommend it, even for "fun" reading. Although I find it interesting that we were required to read it but it hasn't once been mentioned in class...
 
Well, this isn't a book by a doctor or anything, but before med school we were required to read "My Sister's Keeper" by Jodi Picoult. Turns out it was a really really good book...very well-written and thought-provoking. A lot of medical ethics issues are brought up and the like.

UTPremed can chime in here, but at least I would highly recommend it, even for "fun" reading. Although I find it interesting that we were required to read it but it hasn't once been mentioned in class...

I'll agree. It was a good read. Although it did get my Advisory Dean worked up since he's a ped nephrologist and said the whole premise of the book was impossible. But I enjoyed the plot for sure.

Go study Burns! Microanatomy por la manana.
 
The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down -one of my all time favorite books, period.

The Scalpel and the Silver Bear -Native American who became a surgeon -not well written, but ok
Complications (surgery) -pretty good, writer was asian/amer (Indian, I think? Can't remember) guy who had a wife and a pile of kids
On Call (okay recent description of residency) -took place in seattle, female resident
I haven't read it, but plan to read The Language of Medicine over winter break, since my clinical experience thus far has not made me feel like I know any medical terminology at all, and I'd like to not feel like a dumba** in anatomy and pathology.

Oooh, First Cut (about anatomy lab)

I was a humanities major, I like books, I can't help it. You sit with your playstation, I sit with my books.
 
Stiff - the secret life of cadavers by Mary Roach. It's actually really cool all about how they use cadavers for different things.
 
"Baby Doctor" by Perri Klass. I have no idea if it's an accurate portrayal of residency or anything, but it's all my hometown library had on the subject and I enjoyed it... :)
 
Mount Misery
The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat
 
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The Making of Surgeon
 
I actually came across a documentary that would be perfect for pre-meds who are borderline on their decision to enter medicine. It was by NOVA back in the early nineties and it followed around 7 medical students from the start of med school to the completion of residency. It is brutally honest, and will dispell all the myths portrayed on television making medicine look like a glamorous profession. I think every pre-med should be required to see it before they decide to enter medicine. Very well done.

I believe it is called "Making a Doctor" and it is by NOVA. You can find it at your local library, or I believe purchase it on Amazon.

Even if you have already decided to go into medicine, it is still a great video to watch anyway.
 
Well, this isn't a book by a doctor or anything, but before med school we were required to read "My Sister's Keeper" by Jodi Picoult. Turns out it was a really really good book...very well-written and thought-provoking. A lot of medical ethics issues are brought up and the like.

UTPremed can chime in here, but at least I would highly recommend it, even for "fun" reading. Although I find it interesting that we were required to read it but it hasn't once been mentioned in class...

I'm reading it right now! It's a very good procrastination tool for studying for finals. I also suggest:

A Not Entirely Benign Procedure - Perri Klass - a classic
White Coat: Becoming a Doctor at Harvard Medical School - exactly what it sounds like, very well written
When the Air Hits Your Brain: Tales of Neurosurgery - follows a neurosurgeon through medical school and residency

and I second suggestions for Intern Blues and Stiff
 
War Hospital- Sherri Fink- showing the best and worst of medicine and physicians.
 
The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down -one of my all time favorite books, period.
I'm reading this for my Biomed Ethics class:) I'm loving it so far.

Also I read Darkness Visible which was pretty good too. Can be read in an hour at the most because it's so short.
 
The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down -one of my all time favorite books, period.

The Scalpel and the Silver Bear -Native American who became a surgeon -not well written, but ok
Complications (surgery) -pretty good, writer was asian/amer (Indian, I think? Can't remember) guy who had a wife and a pile of kids
On Call (okay recent description of residency) -took place in seattle, female resident
I haven't read it, but plan to read The Language of Medicine over winter break, since my clinical experience thus far has not made me feel like I know any medical terminology at all, and I'd like to not feel like a dumba** in anatomy and pathology.

Oooh, First Cut (about anatomy lab)

I was a humanities major, I like books, I can't help it. You sit with your playstation, I sit with my books.
Awesome book, I forgot to mention that. Its one of the reaons I also majored in anthropology. great read
 
The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down -one of my all time favorite books, period.

The Scalpel and the Silver Bear -Native American who became a surgeon -not well written, but ok
Complications (surgery) -pretty good, writer was asian/amer (Indian, I think? Can't remember) guy who had a wife and a pile of kids
On Call (okay recent description of residency) -took place in seattle, female resident
I haven't read it, but plan to read The Language of Medicine over winter break, since my clinical experience thus far has not made me feel like I know any medical terminology at all, and I'd like to not feel like a dumba** in anatomy and pathology.

Oooh, First Cut (about anatomy lab)

I was a humanities major, I like books, I can't help it. You sit with your playstation, I sit with my books.

i have to agree the spirit catches you and you fall down is a great book. a must read
 
The God Delusion - Richard Dawkins
Time to Heal - Kenneth Ludmerer
 
Mount Misery
The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat

I am reading the latter of the two mentioned by enternalrage...great read so far...a bunch of short stories followed by explanations as they apply to neurological deficits and excess. I just started the section where the author discusses Tourette's

other good med books:
First Do No Harm - Lisa Belkin
The House of God - Samuel Shem
Complications - Atul Gawande
Forgive and Rember: Managing Medical Failure - Charles Bosk
Mama Might be Better Off Dead: The Failure of Healthcare in Urban America


There are some good non-medically related books that are good too!
 
becoming a doctor -melvin konner
=)
 
Hot Lights, Cold Steel - Michael J. Collins Awesome book
 
A great thread was done last year of some of the best books about medicine. Folks might want to take the list from that last page if they still look intriguing.

Another good thread about books and films about doctors was here.
 
Hot Lights, Cold Steel: Life, Death and Sleepless Nights in a Surgeon's First Years - Michael J. Collins, M.D.

Another Day in the Frontal Lobe: A brain surgeon exposes life on the inside - Katrina Firlik, M.D.

White Coat: Becoming a Doctor at Harvard Medical School - Ellen Rothman, M.D.

These are all great books!!
 
Why Do Men Have Nipples? Hundreds of Questions You'd Only Ask a Doctor After Your Third Martini- Mark Leyner

HAHA.. I loved that book as well. I also saw in the airport this weekend that Leyner came out with a sequel. I can't remember the title exactly, but something to the effect of "Why do men always fall asleep after sex?"
 
A Map of the Child by Darshak Sangavi
A Not Entirely Benign Procedure by Perri Klass
A Piece of My Mind
And the Band Played On by Randy Shilts
Another Day in the Frontal Lobe by Katrina Firlik, M.D.
Arrowsmith by Sinclair Lewis
As Nature Made Him by John Colapinto
Awakenings by Oliver Sacks
Baby Doctor by Perri Klass.
Becoming a Doctor by Melvin Konner
Betrayal of Trust: the Collapse of Global Public Health by Laurie Garrett
Blind Eye by James Stewart
Bloodletting and Miraculous Cures: Stories By Vincent Lam, M.D (Giller Prize)
Body of Knowledge: One Semester of Gross Anatomy, the Gateway to Becoming a Doctor by Steven Giegerich
Children's Hospital
Complications by Atul Gawande
Darkness Visible
Death Without Weeping by Nancy Scheper-Hughes
Delivering Doctor Amelia by Dan Shapiro
Driving Mr. Albert by Michael Paterniti
Emergency Doctor by Lewis Goldfrank
Fatal Cure by Robin Cook
Fearfully and Wonderfully Made by Dr. Paul Brand
First Do No Harm by Lisa Belkin
Five Patients by Michael Crichton
Forgive and Remember: Managing Medical Failure by Charles Bosk
Gifted Hands by Benjamin Carson
Grandfather's Blessings and Kitchen Table Wisdom by Rachel Naomi Remen
Health and Healing by Andrew Weil, MD
Hot Lights, Cold Steel by Michael Collins
How We Die by Sherwin B. Nuland
House of God by Samuel Shem
Incidental Findings by Danielle Ofri
Internal Bleeding by Robert M. Wachter and Kaveh Shojania
Just Here Trying to Save a Few Lives by Pamela Grim, MD
Kill as Few Patients as Possible by Oscar London
King of Hearts by G. Wayne Miller
Kitchen Table Wisdom by Dr. Rachel Remen
Letters to a Young Doctor by Richard Selzer
Mama Might be Better Off Dead: The Failure of Healthcare in Urban America
Mountains Beyond Mountains by Tracy Kidder
Mount Misery by Samuel Shem
A Not Entirely Benign Procedure by Perri Klass
On Call by Emily Transue
On Doctoring edited by Richard Reynolds, MD, and John Stone, MD
Pathologies of Power by Paul Farmer
Phantoms in the Brain by V.S. Ramachandran
Second Opinions by Jerome Groopman
Singular Intimacies: Becoming a Doctor at Bellevue by Danielle Ofri
Stiff: The Curious Lives of Human Cadavers by Mary Roach
Surviving the Extremes by Kenneth Kamler
The Anatomy of Hope by Jerome Groopman
The Art of Medicine by Kevin J. Soden
The Coming Plague by Laurie Garrett
The Citadel by A.J. Cronin
The Demon in the Freezer by Richard Preston
The Diagnosis of the Acute Abdomen in Rhyme by Zachary Cope
The Dressing Station by Jonathan Kaplan
The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene
The Greatest Benefit to Mankind: A Medical History of Humanity by Roy Porter
The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins
The Hot Zone by Richard Preston
The House of God by Samuel Shem
The Intern Blues by Robert Marion
The Island of the Colorblind – Oliver Sacks
The Language of Medicine
The Language of Cells: A Doctor and His Patients by Spencer Nadler
The Lost Art of Healing by Dr. Bernard Lown
The Making of a Surgeon
The Man Who Mistook His Wife For A Hat by Oliver Sacks
The Physician and Shaman by Noah Gordon
The Pact by Sampson Davis, George Jenkins and Rameck Hunt
The Plague by Albert Camus
The Scalpel and the Silver Bear by Lori Alvord, MD
The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down by Anne Fadiman
The Strange Case of the Walking Cadaver by Nancy Butcher
The Ultimate Guide to Choosing a Medical Specialty by Brian Freeman, MD
The Wisdom of the Body (also titled How We Live) by Sherwin B. Nuland
This Aint ER
Time to Heal by Kenneth Ludmerer
Toxin by Robin Cook
Travels by Michael Crichton
Vector by Robin Cook
Virus X by Frank Ryan
Walk on Water: Inside an Elite Pediatric Surgical Unit by Michael Ruhlman
Walking Out on the Boys by Francis Conley
War Hospital by Sherri Fink
What I Learned in Medical School by Kevin Takakuwa
What Patients Taught Me by Audrey Young
What Your Doctor Really Thinks: Diagnosing the Doctor-Patient Relationship by Ian Blumer
When the Air Hits Your Brain by Frank Vertosick
White Coat: Becoming a Doctor at Harvard Medical School by Ellen Rothman, M.D.
Women's Bodies, Women's Wisdom by Dr. Christiane Northrup
Why Do Men Have Nipples? Hundreds of Questions You'd Only Ask a Doctor After Your Third Martini- Mark Leyner
The Year of the Intern by Robin Cook
 
Complications by Atul Gawande was a great read. What amazes me is that he was able to be so articulate and profound during his surgery residency. He summed up some of the biggest problems doctors face today and some of the "hot topics"/issues in healthcare. Not only this, but his patient stories are fascinating...one in particular was really fascinating. It's also a straightforward read while being informative. If you can, look up some of his articles for the "New Yorker" (he's a regular writer). He's quite brilliant.

Another amazing book that really changed the way I look at medicine, and patient diagnosis in general, is Phantoms in the Brain by V.S. Ramachandran. This became one of my favorite books of all time. This man is a GENIUS, simply put. He is a neurologist who explores various neurological syndromes/diseases (such as phantom limbs, capgras syndrome--believing family members/friends are impostors) and chronicles the lives of many patients with these various disorders. He also delves into the reasonings behind these neuro. disorders...and does so with a lot of humor and amazing writing. His proposals for really understanding the root of the cause of these problems are sooo elegant and fascinating as well. It is like a more in-depth and modern version of The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat ... and even has a foreword by Oliver Sacks.
 
the selfish gene, by dawkins. it'll explain why it's not really the gunner's fault that they secretly removed organs from your cadaver.
 
A Map of the Child by Darshak Sangavi
A Not Entirely Benign Procedure by Perri Klass
A Piece of My Mind by Roxanne K. Young
After Your Third Martini by Mark Leyner
And the Band Played On by Randy Shilts
Another Day in the Frontal Lobe by Katrina Firlik, M.D.
Arrowsmith by Sinclair Lewis
As Nature Made Him by John Colapinto
Awakenings by Oliver Sacks
Baby Doctor by Perri Klass.
Becoming a Doctor by Melvin Konner
Betrayal of Trust: the Collapse of Global Public Health by Laurie Garrett
Blind Eye by James Stewart
Bloodletting and Miraculous Cures: Stories By Vincent Lam, M.D (Giller Prize)
Body of Knowledge: One Semester of Gross Anatomy, the Gateway to Becoming a Doctor by Steven Giegerich
Children's Hospital by Chris Adrian
Complications by Atul Gawande
Darkness Visible by William Styron
Death Without Weeping by Nancy Scheper-Hughes
Delivering Doctor Amelia by Dan Shapiro
Driving Mr. Albert by Michael Paterniti
Emergency Doctor by Lewis Goldfrank
Fatal Cure by Robin Cook
Fearfully and Wonderfully Made by Dr. Paul Brand
First Do No Harm by Lisa Belkin
Five Patients by Michael Crichton
Forgive and Remember: Managing Medical Failure by Charles Bosk
Gifted Hands by Benjamin Carson
Grandfather's Blessings and Kitchen Table Wisdom by Rachel Naomi Remen
Health and Healing by Andrew Weil, MD
Hot Lights, Cold Steel by Michael Collins
How We Die by Sherwin B. Nuland
House of God by Samuel Shem
Incidental Findings by Danielle Ofri
Internal Bleeding by Robert M. Wachter and Kaveh Shojania
Just Here Trying to Save a Few Lives by Pamela Grim, MD
Kill as Few Patients as Possible by Oscar London
King of Hearts by G. Wayne Miller
Kitchen Table Wisdom by Dr. Rachel Remen
Letters to a Young Doctor by Richard Selzer
Mama Might be Better Off Dead: The Failure of Healthcare in Urban America
Mountains Beyond Mountains by Tracy Kidder
Mount Misery by Samuel Shem
A Not Entirely Benign Procedure by Perri Klass
On Call by Emily Transue
On Doctoring edited by Richard Reynolds, MD, and John Stone, MD
Pathologies of Power by Paul Farmer
Phantoms in the Brain by V.S. Ramachandran
Second Opinions by Jerome Groopman
Singular Intimacies: Becoming a Doctor at Bellevue by Danielle Ofri
Stiff: The Curious Lives of Human Cadavers by Mary Roach
Surviving the Extremes by Kenneth Kamler
The Anatomy of Hope by Jerome Groopman
The Art of Medicine by Kevin J. Soden
The Coming Plague by Laurie Garrett
The Citadel by A.J. Cronin
The Demon in the Freezer by Richard Preston
The Diagnosis of the Acute Abdomen in Rhyme by Zachary Cope
The Dressing Station by Jonathan Kaplan
The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene
The Greatest Benefit to Mankind: A Medical History of Humanity by Roy Porter
The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins
The Hot Zone by Richard Preston
The House of God by Samuel Shem
The Intern Blues by Robert Marion
The Island of the Colorblind by Oliver Sacks
The Language of Medicine by Davi-Ellen Chabner
The Language of Cells: A Doctor and His Patients by Spencer Nadler
The Lost Art of Healing by Dr. Bernard Lown
The Making of a Surgeon by William A Nolen
The Man Who Mistook His Wife For A Hat by Oliver Sacks
The Physician and Shaman by Noah Gordon
The Pact by Sampson Davis, George Jenkins and Rameck Hunt
The Plague by Albert Camus
The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins
The Scalpel and the Silver Bear by Lori Alvord, MD
The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down by Anne Fadiman
The Strange Case of the Walking Cadaver by Nancy Butcher
The Ultimate Guide to Choosing a Medical Specialty by Brian Freeman, MD
The Wisdom of the Body (also titled How We Live) by Sherwin B. Nuland
This Ain't ER by C. Patrick Murrah
Time to Heal by Kenneth Ludmerer
Toxin by Robin Cook
Travels by Michael Crichton
Vector by Robin Cook
Virus X by Frank Ryan
Walk on Water: Inside an Elite Pediatric Surgical Unit by Michael Ruhlman
Walking Out on the Boys by Francis Conley
War Hospital by Sherri Fink
What I Learned in Medical School by Kevin Takakuwa
What Patients Taught Me by Audrey Young
What Your Doctor Really Thinks: Diagnosing the Doctor-Patient Relationship by Ian Blumer
When the Air Hits Your Brain by Frank Vertosick
White Coat: Becoming a Doctor at Harvard Medical School by Ellen Rothman, M.D.
Women's Bodies, Women's Wisdom by Dr. Christiane Northrup
Why Do Men Have Nipples? Hundreds of Questions You'd Only Ask a Doctor
Year of the Intern by Robin Cook
 
Gifted Hands - Ben Carson
Year of the Intern- Robin Cook
Surviving the Extremes: A Doctor's Journey to the Limits of Human Endurance - Kenneth Kamler
Why Do Men Have Nipples? Hundreds of Questions You'd Only Ask a Doctor After Your Third Martini- Mark Leyner

Why do men have nipples?
 
kinda looks like an upsidedown egg and fallopian tube to me
 
Read Choke by Chuck Palahniuk. That book is awesome.
 
A Map of the Child by Darshak Sangavi
A Not Entirely Benign Procedure by Perri Klass
A Piece of My Mind by Roxanne K. Young
After Your Third Martini by Mark Leyner
And the Band Played On by Randy Shilts
Another Day in the Frontal Lobe by Katrina Firlik, M.D.
Arrowsmith by Sinclair Lewis
As Nature Made Him by John Colapinto
Awakenings by Oliver Sacks
Baby Doctor by Perri Klass.
Becoming a Doctor by Melvin Konner
Betrayal of Trust: the Collapse of Global Public Health by Laurie Garrett
Blind Eye by James Stewart
Bloodletting and Miraculous Cures: Stories By Vincent Lam, M.D (Giller Prize)
Body of Knowledge: One Semester of Gross Anatomy, the Gateway to Becoming a Doctor by Steven Giegerich
Children's Hospital by Chris Adrian
Choke by Chuck Palahniuk
Complications by Atul Gawande
Darkness Visible by William Styron
Death Without Weeping by Nancy Scheper-Hughes
Delivering Doctor Amelia by Dan Shapiro
Driving Mr. Albert by Michael Paterniti
Emergency Doctor by Lewis Goldfrank
Fatal Cure by Robin Cook
Fearfully and Wonderfully Made by Dr. Paul Brand
First Do No Harm by Lisa Belkin
Five Patients by Michael Crichton
Forgive and Remember: Managing Medical Failure by Charles Bosk
Gifted Hands by Benjamin Carson
Grandfather's Blessings and Kitchen Table Wisdom by Rachel Naomi Remen
Health and Healing by Andrew Weil, MD
Hot Lights, Cold Steel by Michael Collins
How We Die by Sherwin B. Nuland
House of God by Samuel Shem
Incidental Findings by Danielle Ofri
Internal Bleeding by Robert M. Wachter and Kaveh Shojania
Just Here Trying to Save a Few Lives by Pamela Grim, MD
Kill as Few Patients as Possible by Oscar London
King of Hearts by G. Wayne Miller
Kitchen Table Wisdom by Dr. Rachel Remen
Letters to a Young Doctor by Richard Selzer
Mama Might be Better Off Dead: The Failure of Healthcare in Urban America
Mountains Beyond Mountains by Tracy Kidder
Mount Misery by Samuel Shem
A Not Entirely Benign Procedure by Perri Klass
On Call by Emily Transue
On Doctoring edited by Richard Reynolds, MD, and John Stone, MD
Pathologies of Power by Paul Farmer
Phantoms in the Brain by V.S. Ramachandran
Second Opinions by Jerome Groopman
Singular Intimacies: Becoming a Doctor at Bellevue by Danielle Ofri
Stiff: The Curious Lives of Human Cadavers by Mary Roach
Surviving the Extremes by Kenneth Kamler
The Anatomy of Hope by Jerome Groopman
The Art of Medicine by Kevin J. Soden
The Coming Plague by Laurie Garrett
The Citadel by A.J. Cronin
The Demon in the Freezer by Richard Preston
The Diagnosis of the Acute Abdomen in Rhyme by Zachary Cope
The Dressing Station by Jonathan Kaplan
The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene
The Greatest Benefit to Mankind: A Medical History of Humanity by Roy Porter
The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins
The Hot Zone by Richard Preston
The Intern Blues by Robert Marion
The Island of the Colorblind by Oliver Sacks
The Language of Medicine by Davi-Ellen Chabner
The Language of Cells: A Doctor and His Patients by Spencer Nadler
The Lost Art of Healing by Dr. Bernard Lown
The Making of a Surgeon by William A Nolen
The Man Who Mistook His Wife For A Hat by Oliver Sacks
The Physician and Shaman by Noah Gordon
The Pact by Sampson Davis, George Jenkins and Rameck Hunt
The Plague by Albert Camus
The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins
The Scalpel and the Silver Bear by Lori Alvord, MD
The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down by Anne Fadiman
The Strange Case of the Walking Cadaver by Nancy Butcher
The Ultimate Guide to Choosing a Medical Specialty by Brian Freeman, MD
The Wisdom of the Body (also titled How We Live) by Sherwin B. Nuland
This Ain't ER by C. Patrick Murrah
Time to Heal by Kenneth Ludmerer
Toxin by Robin Cook
Travels by Michael Crichton
Vector by Robin Cook
Virus X by Frank Ryan
Walk on Water: Inside an Elite Pediatric Surgical Unit by Michael Ruhlman
Walking Out on the Boys by Francis Conley
War Hospital by Sherri Fink
What I Learned in Medical School by Kevin Takakuwa
What Patients Taught Me by Audrey Young
What Your Doctor Really Thinks: Diagnosing the Doctor-Patient Relationship by Ian Blumer
When the Air Hits Your Brain by Frank Vertosick
White Coat: Becoming a Doctor at Harvard Medical School by Ellen Rothman, M.D.
Women's Bodies, Women's Wisdom by Dr. Christiane Northrup
Why Do Men Have Nipples? Hundreds of Questions You'd Only Ask a Doctor
Year of the Intern by Robin Cook
 
First person to read them all gets a prize.
 
I'm reading this for my Biomed Ethics class:) I'm loving it so far.

Also I read Darkness Visible which was pretty good too. Can be read in an hour at the most because it's so short.

umm hopkins student? dr. bok's bioethics class?
[me too]
 
I have to give a special props to Hot Lights Cold Steel since Dr. Collins is quite possibly the nicest guy ever (yes, I grew up with some of his 12 kids, and he's my mom's orthopod). Good guy, good book:thumbup:
 
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