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Goro’s advice for DO applicants in the absence of grade replacement

Discussion in 'Pre-Medical - DO' started by Goro, Jan 5, 2017.

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  1. Jumpyrice

    Jumpyrice 2+ Year Member

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    I'm not sure whether I should continue with DIY post bacc classes and possibly retake MCAT or go with an SMP such as EVMS, or LECOM's post bacc.
    What do you guys think?
     
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  3. Goro

    Goro 7+ Year Member

    Apply broadly, especially targeting the newest DO schools.
    IF you live in a very lucky state (like KS, ND, SD, MS NM, etc) try your state school as well.
    Get a DO LOR as well.
     
  4. kardom11

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    Got my mcat score back today. 505 (125/126/127/127).
    Do you think this will be competitive for DO application?
     
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  5. Goro

    Goro 7+ Year Member

    Very! Send an app to my school...somewhere west of St Louis.
     
  6. kardom11

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    Thank you! It's on its way out west!
     
  7. BucketDoctor

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    I just recently visited Pacific Northwest University of Health Science. They told me that they look at the last 60 credit hours (in a semester based school) or last 90 credit hours (in a quarter based school).

    If you are interested in applying to this school, please keep in mind they have a preference for applicants from Alaska, Idaho, Montana, Oregon, and the state of Washington.
     
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  8. Shotapp

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    School has just started and I didn't drop a course within the drop/add period. I'm now going to have a W in my post-bac record. Will this look bad and should I just keep getting A's to move forward?
     
  9. Goro

    Goro 7+ Year Member

    A single W won't be a problem. Multiples will.
     
  10. Shotapp

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    Thanks, Goro. I really don't know what I would do without your help.
     
  11. restndigest92

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    Hi Goro,
    When doing a DIY post-bacc( two semesters of 16 credits in upper-level sciences in my case)- do schools prefer completing it at just one school and on-campus? I would like to take two courses on campus at one school and two courses online offered through another school this semester. Would that be acceptable?
     
  12. Goro

    Goro 7+ Year Member

    Great question. I've never seen anything that suggests schools want everything done at once. Do keep in mind that online coursework might be discounted.
     
  13. restndigest92

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    Even if the majority of my coursework was completed on campus?
     
  14. Goro

    Goro 7+ Year Member

    Hard to interpret. Strongly suggest that you look at school's admissions websites to see what they say about online coursework.
     
  15. restndigest92

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    Thank you, Goro!
    Just wondering- anyone know of any SMP programs that also have a January start class?
     
  16. Goro

    Goro 7+ Year Member

    Alas, I don't
     
  17. restndigest92

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    Goro,
    Silly and odd question for ya:
    In order for science courses to be considered 'upper level', must they have a course number of 300/3000 or higher? Are med schools picky about that?
    As mentioned above, I am currently doing a DIY post-bacc at a local university taking recommended bio courses. At this college all the undergrad bio courses(including: genetics, human physiology, cell biology,etc) have course numbers in 1000-2000 level. The material is similar to upper-level courses at other universities, they are definitely not intro/survey courses!
     
  18. restndigest92

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    Will this be an issue?
     
  19. Goro

    Goro 7+ Year Member

    I don't pay attention to course numbers. I look for material.
     
  20. restndigest92

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    So it is the course name that matters?
     
  21. Goro

    Goro 7+ Year Member

    Yup.

    I fully realize that some Bio courses may not be as rigorous as others, but we don't look at single metrics. We look to see if you've done well in a bunch of Bio courses.
     
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  22. Texasmedins

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    Hi Goro, had a quick question. I was complete at most of the DO schools I applied to (about 18) around 09/01/2017, with some around 09/07 max. Do you think I was late in submitting my secondaries?
    3.5 cgpa 3.2 sgpa 504 MCAT, worked full time throughout under grad, low SES, medical scribe.

    Thanks!
     
  23. Goro

    Goro 7+ Year Member

    In the DO cycle, you're not late until T-giving. Please spread the word.
     
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  24. Texasmedins

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    Thanks!
     
  25. Watermelonss

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    Hi @Goro,

    Does this count as a downward trend?
    Freshman gpa: 2.38
    Sophmore gpa: 3.85
    Junior gpa: 3.6
    Senior gpa: 3.63
    Post bac gpa: 3.65
     
  26. skeptastic

    skeptastic SDN Bronze Donor Bronze Donor

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    I've wondered about downward trends as well. In either direction, how big of a change does it take to have the trend affect one's profile?
     
  27. holdthemayo

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    This is not a downward trend. You have at least three years of very consistent grades.
     
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  28. Diastereo

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    Just discovered this amazing thread. Can't I get your eyes on this @Goro ? Had a high cGPA and sGPA with grade replacement; now I'm balancing on a cut-off point.
    • Current respite social worker. Direct clinical hours with homeless opiate users and more than 2k clinical hours working with the under-served.
    • uGPA: 3.41
    • sGPA: 2.83
    • MSW GPA: 4.0
    • Last 20 hours of DIY post-bacc at 4.0; 3 C's and 1 F repeated at a 4.0
    • 2 years of research experience; 1 study published.
    • Service and EC Highlights: long-term volunteer with an African non-profit, two mission trips to Kenya, Albert Schweitzer Fellow, multiple graduate scholarships and awards, research in health disparities, former CrossFit Coach.
    • Letters of recommendation from post-bacc professors, research PI's, and Healthcare for the Homeless doctors.
    Any advice on whether I should:
    • Take the MCAT in 2018; if the score is appropriate, >510, then apply. Mostly DO and a reach MD like Geisinger or UT El Paso because I want to work with the under-served/in rural medicine.
    • Take more DIY post-bacc courses with my current 4-year school. I'll need about 3 more courses at a 4.0 to bring the sGPA to a 3.0. Take the MCAT and apply in 2019.
    • Note: as a social worker, there's no way I can afford an SMP in my state. It's out of my price range.
    Due to my work schedule, I plan to do a long and slow MCAT prep (similar to this plan "How I prepped for a 526"). As a result, I'm going to make the application decision soon.
     
  29. Goro

    Goro 7+ Year Member

    Your plans are sound. If you're not a Texan, the two schools you named will be out of reach.
     
  30. Diastereo

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    @Goro Thanks for the fast feedback! Seems like I'll be applying next cycle and updating schools with my grades throughout the cycle. I'm a native Texan, but Geisinger is in PA (formerly Commonwealth). An Adcom encouraged me to apply there after a meeting, so was unsure if they would actually consider me or just wanted my application fee.
     
  31. Goro

    Goro 7+ Year Member

    TCMC has a preference for people from the Scranton area. An app there would be a donation.

    OOS MD schools know from historical data that nearly all Texans (~all but 500 of the total applicant pool) stay in TX.
     
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  32. premedbrah

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    Would it be worth it do a DIY post bacc? I have a very low GPA but with a steady upward trend (did very very poorly my first 2 years of college). I have a 4.0 in the last 51 quarter units consisting of mainly science courses.
    My stats are:

    cGPA: 2.52
    sGPA: 3.14
    MCAT: 510
    ED scribe, clinical research assistant, free clinic volunteer, Bio tutor.

    Should I do a DIY post bacc or apply to DO schools directly? Curious if I need to take another year to raise my GPA. Thanks in advance :)
     
  33. Goro

    Goro 7+ Year Member

    How many years is 51 qtr hours???
     
  34. premedbrah

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    1 full academic year at near 4.0 :) (couple A- grades)
     
  35. PashaOdesit

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    1 full year, meaning about 30 semester credits?
     
  36. skeptastic

    skeptastic SDN Bronze Donor Bronze Donor

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    51 quarter credits would convert to exactly 34 semester credits. Quarter hours divided by 1.5 = Semester hours.
     
  37. Goro

    Goro 7+ Year Member

    I recommend one more year of aceing before applying.
     
  38. premedbrah

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    Ok sounds good.. is CC ok for classes? I know this has been asked a million times but CC is significantly cheaper than any nearby University extension.
     
  39. Goro

    Goro 7+ Year Member

    Mostly OK, but will be school-specific. Some MD schools specifically won't allow the coursework for requirements, others recommend not to do it. Check out a few schools and see what they have to say (say, Drexel, Wake, BU and Loyola)
     
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  40. salty baby

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    Hi Goro, I had a few questions about getting clinical experience. Is it necessary to have a balance between volunteering/jobs (ex. scribe, technician). Will DO adcom's care if I have a lot of volunteering during my gap year, but unemployed?
     
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  41. Goro

    Goro 7+ Year Member

    No and no.
     
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  42. premedbrah

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    Just calculated my theoretical cGPA w/ a 4.0 1 year post bacc. 1 more year of full time puts me at a cGPA of 2.58 and sGPA (accomas) of 3.48 :(
     
  43. Goro

    Goro 7+ Year Member

    Go re-read my post. It's not about the cGPA anymore, but proving the you of now is not the you of then.
     
  44. AlbinoHawk DO

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    Not going to happen for you. Schools have a window of leeway they give students, but generally if you can't crack that 3, you won't get into Med school. The only way would be an SMP, but even for that your GPA is toast. There are so many good applicants that struggled but not too the point of pulling on the noose that there's no point in taking you
     
  45. PashaOdesit

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    So, my GPA for each year are as follows:

    Freshman: 2.98
    Sophomore: 3.07
    Junior: 3.98
    Senior: 3.7
    Post-Bacc: 3.5-3.6 (still working on it)

    Does it look like upward trend, even if Senior year a little lower than Junior year?
    Post-Bacc will be around 3.5-3.6 for the next cycle.

    Thank you
     
  46. Goro

    Goro 7+ Year Member

    That is what would be scientifically described as a "massive upward trend". You're fine.
     
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  47. premedbrah

    premedbrah 2+ Year Member

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    I appreciate your advice. I'm adding it to my motivation :)
     
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  48. AlbinoHawk DO

    AlbinoHawk DO Student Osteopath 2+ Year Member

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    I sincerely hope I'm wrong and wish you good luck since there's no reason for me to wish you to fail, but I think it would be wrong of me not to tell you where you are and how dire your situation is.
     
  49. Goro

    Goro 7+ Year Member

    There are plenty of SMPs that will take people with a GPA < 3.0. Mine's just one of them. Brah has demonstrated enough reinvention that with a 513+ MCAT, s/he is viable for a number of MD schools, and any DO. Even a 505 will look good for most DO schools.
     
  50. AlbinoHawk DO

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    Maybe your school doesn't use screens, but the majority of schools will screen at a 2.8. My school, for example, has hard cut off for their class. I know the student has worked hard and would likely succeed, but the story is usually not as simple as that.
     

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