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Discussion in 'Pre-Medical - MD' started by superdood68, Jun 25, 2002.

  1. superdood68

    superdood68 Senior Member
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    anyone know if there's a gourman report for med schools?? and if there is, anyone
    know if there's a link somewhere on the web so i can look at it??
     
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  3. UCLA2000

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    There is one. I looked for it last year for hours online and never found it. I finally had to go to a library and look at a hard copy.
     
  4. none

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    Why exactly do you trust this Gourman person's rankings any more than a random person on SDN?
     
  5. yOUkNOWtHIS

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    Latest Gourman Report Rankings:

    1. Harvard
    2. Hopkins
    3. Penn
    4. UCSF
    5. Yale
    6. Chicago, Pritzker
    7. Columbia
    8. Stanford
    9. Cornell
    10. Michigan
    11. UCLA
    12. Duke
    13. NYU
    14. Northwestern
    15. Minnesota-Twin Cities

    While US News ranks solely based on research money and admission rates, the Gourman Report takes a more complete approach. His rankings are based more on the quality of education offered by each school, acceptance rates into top residency programs, and the quality of life of students. Hope this helps
     
  6. intoxicatedtiger

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    Try doing a search on misc.education.medical. You'll get the complete rankings somewhere in there.
     
  7. owen_osh

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    I just found a copy of the 1997 Gourman Report on Graduate Programs yesterday in the library, and I made a copy of the med school rankings. I'll post it when I get a chance.
     
  8. mcwmark

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    Gourman reports, unfortunately, are a bit outdated, as he died a number of years ago. I think his last rankings were published in 1997? or 1998?

    Anyways, his more "complete" rankings were often questioned, since he seemed to add a lot of fudge factor in his ranking system.
     
  9. Doctora Foxy

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    Rank..School

    1.......Harvard
    2.......Johns Hopkins
    3.......Pennsylvania
    4.......California, San Francisco
    5.......Yale
    6.......Chicago, Pritzker
    7.......Columbia
    8.......Stanford
    9.......Cornell
    10.....Michigan
    11.....UCLA
    12.....Duke
    13.....New York University
    14.....Northwestern
    15.....Minnesota
    16.....Tulane
    17.....Rochester
    18.....Washington University
    19.....Vanderbilt
    20.....California, San Diego
    21.....Virginia
    22.....North Carolina
    23.....Tufts
    24.....California, Davis
    25.....Boston University
    26.....Indiana
    27.....Wisconsin
    28.....Illinois
    29.....Iowa
    30.....Washington

    <a href="http://www.sanet.co.kr/html3/mdgourman.html" target="_blank">http://www.sanet.co.kr/html3/mdgourman.html</a>
     
  10. SizzleDizz

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    Here are the '96 Gourman rankings (top to bottom) ...

    1. Harvard
    2. Johns Hopkins
    3. Penn
    4. UCSF
    5. YALE
    6. UCHICAGO
    7. Columbia
    8. Stanford
    9. Cornell
    10. Michigan
    11. UCLA
    12. Duke
    13. WA U
    14. Northwestern
    15. UMinn
    16. Tulane
    17. URoch
    18. Vandy
    19. NYU
    20. UCSD
    21. UVA
    22. UNC-Chapel Hill
    23. Tufts
    24. UCDavis
    25. BU
    26. Indiana U
    27. UWisc
    28. UIll
    29. UIowa
    30. UWash
    31. Georgetown
    32. OhioState
    33. SUNY-Buff
    34. GWU
    35. UC Irvine
    36. Baylor
    37. Bowman Gray
    38. Emory
    39. UPitt
    40. LomaLinda
    41. Einstein
    42. ULouisville
    43. Loyola Chicago
    44. SLU
    45. Dartmouth
    46. USC
    47. UMissouri
    48. Wayne
    49. Temple
    50. SUNY Stony
    51. Brown
    52. Case Western
    53. Sinai
    54. UCONN
    55. UKansas
    56. Creighton
    57. UCOL
    58. UMaryland
    59. OHSU
    60. Albany
    61. UUTAH
    62. UFLA
    63. MAYO
    64. Miami
    65. Michigan State
    66. UTEX SW
    67. UMissouri KC
    68. UTEX Galv
    69. UTEX SA
    70. PennState
    71. SUNY-Brooklyn
    72. UCincinatti
    73. SUNY-Syracuse
    74. LSU-NO
    75. UAL
    76. UNEB
    77. UKENT
    78. UVM
    79. LSU-SHreve
    80. UTENN
    81. NYMC
    82. JEFF
    83. UOK
    84. WVU
    85. UTEX-Houston
    86. UARK
    87. MCP/HAHN
    88. UMDNJ
    89. UARIZONA
    90. USFLA
    91. MC South Car
    92. UMississi
    93. MeHarry
    94. Rush
    95. UVA-Richmond
    96. MC Georgia
    97. MC Ohio
    98. Finch
    99. Howard
    100. UNMex
    101. Southern Ill
    102. TEXTECH
    103. UMDNJ-Rutgers
    104. UHAWAII
    105. UMASS
    106. MC Wisc
    107. U Puerto
    108. U South Carolina
    109. UNevada
    110. Uniformed
    111. UNorthDak
    112. USouthDak
    113. Northeastern Ohio
    114. East Carol
    115. Marshall
    116. E VA
    117. E Tenn
    118. U So Carol-Mobile
    119. Tex AM
    120. VA Cmmnwealth
    121. Wright State
    122. Morehouse
    123. Mercer
    124. Ponce
    125. U Cen Del Caribe
     
  11. jot

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    man - Mayo took a lickin in his report, makes you kinda wonder. its a pretty sweet school (minus location maybe).
    -jot
     
  12. jaboy

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    Interesting list. Who else publishes this kind of stuff?
     
  13. psyche

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    This list is proof, if any proof were needed, that rankings are a load of crap. I have no idea what qualifications this Gourman person had, but it seems he must have been a bit out of the loop during his last few years. George Washington better than Pitt? Loma Linda over Einstein? Albany beats out Mayo? The list is junk, but is helpful in illustrating the utter pointlessness of med school rankings.
     
  14. none

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    Oh I don't know...any list that puts Irvine somewhere in the top 50 has to be good. :)
     
  15. owen_osh

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    I said I would post the list, but others beat me to it. Anyway, like I said, I saw the book yesterday, and it didn't inspire confidence. I looked at booth the undergrad Gourman book and graduate book from 1997. Trust me, they are not very believable. First, the methodology is never explained. Second, the number of things ranked is just unbeleivable. For example, in undergrad he ranks the top 10-30 schools in every conceivable major. Not just biology and English, really wierd stuff that you didn't know was a major. In the grad book, for example, not only does he rank every American med school, he goes on to rank the top 50 or so foreign medical school. No, not Canadian and Carribean, I mean European and Asian med schools. How the hell do you rank the top med schools in Tokyo?
    Anyway, the Gourman American med school ranking is basically what we all know, just with a few surprises (Harvard, Hopkins, etc.) But since there is no explanation for the surprises, and the list is pretty old, I don't take it very seriously.
    I've been looking for this book for years, but sadly, it's no holy grail.
     
  16. superdood68

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    thanx guys... i went to a public library and looked at the book. it is pretty crappy... =/
     
  17. DrBlueDevil

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by jot:
    <strong>man - Mayo took a lickin in his report, makes you kinda wonder. its a pretty sweet school (minus location maybe).
    -jot</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">so did Baylor...it'd be nice if Gourman actually published his ranking methodology instead of keeping it under wraps. Perhaps Mayo didn't feel the need to give the guy a little cashish to up their rank.
     
  18. Mr.D

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    Damn, SUNY Buffalo over Baylor? What the hell was this dude smokin'?
     
  19. FunkDoc

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    yeah what the hell, evms and mcv rounding out the bottom, yeah right. i'm sick just looking at this ridiculous list.
     
  20. scootad.

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    LOL! Just reading the responses here makes me laugh.

    The people who's school unexpectedly places high on Gourman's rankings like his list and those whose school unexpectedly does poorly in comparison w. USNEWS hate the list.

    Me likes the controversy! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />
     
  21. Bamboozeled

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    bump superdood where did you get ur avatar? I really like it :)
     
  22. Jeffy

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    everyone should read this thread at one point.
     

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