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anyone know if there's a gourman report for med schools?? and if there is, anyone
know if there's a link somewhere on the web so i can look at it??

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There is one. I looked for it last year for hours online and never found it. I finally had to go to a library and look at a hard copy.
 
Why exactly do you trust this Gourman person's rankings any more than a random person on SDN?
 
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Latest Gourman Report Rankings:

1. Harvard
2. Hopkins
3. Penn
4. UCSF
5. Yale
6. Chicago, Pritzker
7. Columbia
8. Stanford
9. Cornell
10. Michigan
11. UCLA
12. Duke
13. NYU
14. Northwestern
15. Minnesota-Twin Cities

While US News ranks solely based on research money and admission rates, the Gourman Report takes a more complete approach. His rankings are based more on the quality of education offered by each school, acceptance rates into top residency programs, and the quality of life of students. Hope this helps
 
Try doing a search on misc.education.medical. You'll get the complete rankings somewhere in there.
 
I just found a copy of the 1997 Gourman Report on Graduate Programs yesterday in the library, and I made a copy of the med school rankings. I'll post it when I get a chance.
 
Gourman reports, unfortunately, are a bit outdated, as he died a number of years ago. I think his last rankings were published in 1997? or 1998?

Anyways, his more "complete" rankings were often questioned, since he seemed to add a lot of fudge factor in his ranking system.
 
Rank..School

1.......Harvard
2.......Johns Hopkins
3.......Pennsylvania
4.......California, San Francisco
5.......Yale
6.......Chicago, Pritzker
7.......Columbia
8.......Stanford
9.......Cornell
10.....Michigan
11.....UCLA
12.....Duke
13.....New York University
14.....Northwestern
15.....Minnesota
16.....Tulane
17.....Rochester
18.....Washington University
19.....Vanderbilt
20.....California, San Diego
21.....Virginia
22.....North Carolina
23.....Tufts
24.....California, Davis
25.....Boston University
26.....Indiana
27.....Wisconsin
28.....Illinois
29.....Iowa
30.....Washington

<a href="http://www.sanet.co.kr/html3/mdgourman.html" target="_blank">http://www.sanet.co.kr/html3/mdgourman.html</a>
 
Here are the '96 Gourman rankings (top to bottom) ...

1. Harvard
2. Johns Hopkins
3. Penn
4. UCSF
5. YALE
6. UCHICAGO
7. Columbia
8. Stanford
9. Cornell
10. Michigan
11. UCLA
12. Duke
13. WA U
14. Northwestern
15. UMinn
16. Tulane
17. URoch
18. Vandy
19. NYU
20. UCSD
21. UVA
22. UNC-Chapel Hill
23. Tufts
24. UCDavis
25. BU
26. Indiana U
27. UWisc
28. UIll
29. UIowa
30. UWash
31. Georgetown
32. OhioState
33. SUNY-Buff
34. GWU
35. UC Irvine
36. Baylor
37. Bowman Gray
38. Emory
39. UPitt
40. LomaLinda
41. Einstein
42. ULouisville
43. Loyola Chicago
44. SLU
45. Dartmouth
46. USC
47. UMissouri
48. Wayne
49. Temple
50. SUNY Stony
51. Brown
52. Case Western
53. Sinai
54. UCONN
55. UKansas
56. Creighton
57. UCOL
58. UMaryland
59. OHSU
60. Albany
61. UUTAH
62. UFLA
63. MAYO
64. Miami
65. Michigan State
66. UTEX SW
67. UMissouri KC
68. UTEX Galv
69. UTEX SA
70. PennState
71. SUNY-Brooklyn
72. UCincinatti
73. SUNY-Syracuse
74. LSU-NO
75. UAL
76. UNEB
77. UKENT
78. UVM
79. LSU-SHreve
80. UTENN
81. NYMC
82. JEFF
83. UOK
84. WVU
85. UTEX-Houston
86. UARK
87. MCP/HAHN
88. UMDNJ
89. UARIZONA
90. USFLA
91. MC South Car
92. UMississi
93. MeHarry
94. Rush
95. UVA-Richmond
96. MC Georgia
97. MC Ohio
98. Finch
99. Howard
100. UNMex
101. Southern Ill
102. TEXTECH
103. UMDNJ-Rutgers
104. UHAWAII
105. UMASS
106. MC Wisc
107. U Puerto
108. U South Carolina
109. UNevada
110. Uniformed
111. UNorthDak
112. USouthDak
113. Northeastern Ohio
114. East Carol
115. Marshall
116. E VA
117. E Tenn
118. U So Carol-Mobile
119. Tex AM
120. VA Cmmnwealth
121. Wright State
122. Morehouse
123. Mercer
124. Ponce
125. U Cen Del Caribe
 
man - Mayo took a lickin in his report, makes you kinda wonder. its a pretty sweet school (minus location maybe).
-jot
 
Interesting list. Who else publishes this kind of stuff?
 
This list is proof, if any proof were needed, that rankings are a load of crap. I have no idea what qualifications this Gourman person had, but it seems he must have been a bit out of the loop during his last few years. George Washington better than Pitt? Loma Linda over Einstein? Albany beats out Mayo? The list is junk, but is helpful in illustrating the utter pointlessness of med school rankings.
 
Oh I don't know...any list that puts Irvine somewhere in the top 50 has to be good. :)
 
I said I would post the list, but others beat me to it. Anyway, like I said, I saw the book yesterday, and it didn't inspire confidence. I looked at booth the undergrad Gourman book and graduate book from 1997. Trust me, they are not very believable. First, the methodology is never explained. Second, the number of things ranked is just unbeleivable. For example, in undergrad he ranks the top 10-30 schools in every conceivable major. Not just biology and English, really wierd stuff that you didn't know was a major. In the grad book, for example, not only does he rank every American med school, he goes on to rank the top 50 or so foreign medical school. No, not Canadian and Carribean, I mean European and Asian med schools. How the hell do you rank the top med schools in Tokyo?
Anyway, the Gourman American med school ranking is basically what we all know, just with a few surprises (Harvard, Hopkins, etc.) But since there is no explanation for the surprises, and the list is pretty old, I don't take it very seriously.
I've been looking for this book for years, but sadly, it's no holy grail.
 
thanx guys... i went to a public library and looked at the book. it is pretty crappy... =/
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by jot:
•man - Mayo took a lickin in his report, makes you kinda wonder. its a pretty sweet school (minus location maybe).
-jot•••••so did Baylor...it'd be nice if Gourman actually published his ranking methodology instead of keeping it under wraps. Perhaps Mayo didn't feel the need to give the guy a little cashish to up their rank.
 
Damn, SUNY Buffalo over Baylor? What the hell was this dude smokin'?
 
yeah what the hell, evms and mcv rounding out the bottom, yeah right. i'm sick just looking at this ridiculous list.
 
LOL! Just reading the responses here makes me laugh.

The people who's school unexpectedly places high on Gourman's rankings like his list and those whose school unexpectedly does poorly in comparison w. USNEWS hate the list.

Me likes the controversy! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />
 
bump superdood where did you get ur avatar? I really like it :)
 
psyche said:
This list is proof, if any proof were needed, that rankings are a load of crap . . . The list is junk, but is helpful in illustrating the utter pointlessness of med school rankings.

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everyone should read this thread at one point.
 
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