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GPA, DAT scores 05-06 Enrollees-An Analysis

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  1. doc toothache

    doc toothache 10+ Year Member

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    GPA , DAT scores for 05 and 06 Enrollees- An analysis

    Now that the clamor over the Harvard DAT (AA) score of 24 for the 2006 enrollees has subsided, it is time to look at the changes in the statistics of the 2005 and 2006 enrollees in regard to the DAT and GPA scores.

    AA and PAT Scores:
    The scores for the 2006 enrollees for Harvard at 24.4 AA score certainly caught everyone’s attention. The increase in the PAT score from 18 to 21.6 was similarly impressive. An analysis of the 2006 scores for the nation’s dental schools shows the mean to be at 19.29 for an increase of 0.3 for AA scores. The range in change was from -0.77 to 2.4 for AA scores. There were 11 dental schools with no change in the AA score, 11 with a decrease and 34 with an increase. There were 11 schools with an increase of 0.5 to 1 point, the remaining were below 0.5.
    The biggest changes were seen with the PAT scores which increased from a mean of 17.47 for the 2005 group to 18.42 for the 2006 group. The mean change was 0.93 points. There were 6 schools with no change, 2 with a decrease and 48 with an increase in the scores. The range was -0.92 to 3.6. Of the 48 schools with gains, 24 showed an increase of 1 point and above.

    GPA Scores
    The overall GPA changed from a mean of 3.50 to a mean of 3.52. There were 16 schools with a decrease in the overall GPA and 40 with an increase. The range was from -0.32 to 0.15. The science GPA changed from a mean of 3.42 to 3.44 with 21 schools with a decrease and 45 schools with an increase. The range was from -0.14 to 0.17 points.

    The total number of applicants for 2005 was 9433 with 75790 applications (each applicant applied to ~8 schools). For 2006 the number of applicants was 10731 with 94172 applications (a ratio of ~9). The 1298 increase in the applicant pool represents a 13.76% increase over 2005.

    Dental School Statistics 2005-2006

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            AA 05   AA 06	PAT 05	PAT 06	GPAo  05GPAo 06 GPAs05 GPAs 06
    Alabama	19.4	19.2	17	18.3	3.56	3.58	3.48	3.5
    Arizona	18.57	18.59	17.33	18.13	3.36	3.46	3.26	3.21
    Loma L	19.22	20	18.47	19.7	3.42	3.27	3.34	3.24
    UCLA	21.6	22	18.5	20	3.56	3.65	3.5	3.6
    UCSF	20.3	20.6	18	19.2	3.46	3.61	3.4	3.57
    UOP	20.8	20.5	19.3	19.7	3.32	3.37	3.31	3.29
    USC	18.6	20	17.7	19	3.4	3.47	3.34	3.37
    Colo	19.3	19.6	18	19.6	3.7	3.71	3.64	3.66
    Conn	20.5	20	18	18.3	3.5	3.57	3.5	3.5
    Howard	16	17	15	16	3.02	3.09	2.8	3
    Florida	19	19	18	18	3.53	3.6	3.45	3.5
    NOVA	19	19	17	18	3.53	3.6	3.5	3.58
    Georgia	18.6	19	17.7	19	3.44	3.5	3.37	3.5
    Illinois19.2	19.3	17.1	18.74	3.5	3.45	3.4	3.35
    S Illin	18.4	19	17.5	18.1	3.5	3.64	3.5	3.6
    Ind	17.8	18.72	17.1	18.46	3.42	3.52	3.34	3.44
    Iowa	19	19	17	18	3.64	3.7	3.56	3.63
    Kentuc	18	18.44	17	17.64	3.47	3.52	3.33	3.37
    Louisv	18	18	17	17	3.42	3.57	3.34	3.46
    Louisi	19	19.1	18	19.2	3.6	3.56	3.5	3.48
    Maryl	19.5	20	17.7	18.7	3.41	3.5	3.32	3.4
    Boston	19.12	20	18	20	3.55	3.23	3.25	3.11
    Harvard	22	24.4	18	21.6	3.73	3.77	3.7	3.77
    Tufts	18.22	19	17.14	18.1	3.32	3.41	3.22	3.33
    Mercy	19	19	18	18	3.56	3.54	3.62	3.51
    Mich	19.48	19.58	18.19	19.25	3.46	3.51	3.34	3.41
    Minn	19.49	19.4	18.11	19.1	3.64	3.63	3.59	3.57
    Miss	17.4	17.4	16.6	16.9	3.58	3.63	3.56	3.55
    Missou	18.1	18.3	17.1	17.1	3.58	3.64	3.51	3.6
    Creight	18.45	18.92	17.78	19.07	3.5	3.53	3.38	3.42
    Neb	18.7	18.6	17.2	18.1	3.8	3.78	3.71	3.7
    Nevada	18.07	19.27	17.52	18.78	3.37	3.51	3.27	3.26
    UMDNJ	19.07	19.28	16.97	17.58	3.46	3.47	3.38	3.4
    Colum	21.8	22.16	18.5	19.06	3.5	3.49	3.4	3.44
    NY	19	19.06	18	17.08	3.14	3.29	3.01	3.16
    SUNYb	19.36	19.35	17.54	19.11	3.51	3.57	3.43	3.56
    SUNYsb	20	21	17.6	19	3.6	3.71	3.6	3.72
    N Carol	20	19.7	17.6	18.1	3.58	3.6	3.55	3.53
    Case	18.73	19.36	17.92	18.5	3.43	3.5	3.32	3.45
    Ohio	19.25	18.98	17.66	18.98	3.55	3.52	3.46	3.39
    Oklah	18.75	19.51	17.28	18.33	3.72	3.63	3.6	3.54
    Oregon	19.17	19.55	18.11	18.87	3.63	3.58	3.6	3.57
    Penn	20	21	17	19	3.57	3.68	3.51	3.63
    Pitt	18.75	19.83	17.61	18.64	3.63	3.54	3.56	3.43
    Temple	19.1	18.8	17.8	18.7	3.32	3.33	3.23	3.19
    S Carol	19	19.3	18	19.89	3.55	3.59	3.49	3.58
    Meharry	16	16	15	15	3.12	3.1	2.98	2.9
    Tenn	18	18	17	18	3.5	3.45	3.42	3.36
    Baylor	19.5	19.5	16.6	17.8	3.51	3.51	3.41	3.44
    UT-Hou	19.19	19.19	17.35	17.8	3.51	3.59	3.46	3.52
    UT-SA	19.77	19	17.19	18	3.59	3.74	3.55	3.6
    Virgin	19	19	17	18	3.35	3.36	3.26	3.25
    Washing	21	21.22	19	20.33	3.65	3.45	3.6	3.46
    W. Va	17	18	16	17	3.52	3.54	3.33	3.43
    Marque	18.35	18.44	17.3	18.08	3.5	3.5	3.42	3.43
    PR	16	15	16	16	3.5	3.45	3.44	3.33
    Mean	18.99	19.29	17.47	18.42	3.50	3.52	3.42	3.44
    StdDev	1.22	1.39	0.79	1.12	0.14	0.14	0.17	0.17[FONT="Courier New"].
     
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  3. DDSY

    DDSY Bright Lights at Night 7+ Year Member

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    Gotta hand it to you. This was a lot of work:thumbup: :thumbup:
     
  4. Columbia07

    Columbia07 5+ Year Member

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    can you post this information on wikipedia under "Doctor of Dental Surgery"
     
  5. AlphaQUp

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    Thanks for the analysis. I hope it doesn't get even harder for this cycle :(
     
  6. dmd2011

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    somebody has way too much free time :D
     
  7. DDSY

    DDSY Bright Lights at Night 7+ Year Member

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    I double checked your numbers. Found one small error. For Pitt's 2006 AA, you put down 9.83. It's suppose to be 19.83. Don't know if you have to recalcute the mean and the range again. Hopefully not. :cool:
     
  8. doc toothache

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  9. doc toothache

    doc toothache 10+ Year Member

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    You must have missed the memo! The perusal of the info is at your discretion.
     
  10. SHC1984

    SHC1984 Banned Banned 5+ Year Member

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    How many applicants got accepted?? 40%? or more? less?





    The total number of applicants for 2005 was 9433 with 75790 applications (each applicant applied to ~8 schools). For 2006 the number of applicants was 10731 with 94172 applications (a ratio of ~9). The 1298 increase in the applicant pool represents a 13.76% increase over 2005.
     
  11. doc toothache

    doc toothache 10+ Year Member

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    The correct information was used in excel. Transcribing the info on SDN was a different matter. Thanks for the input. Next time you may be asked to be the official proofer.
     
  12. burton117

    burton117 The Big Kahuna 10+ Year Member

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    Excellent Post! Thanks!

    Does anybody know how many seats there are? (so that the percentage accepted overall can be calculated)
     
  13. EnviroDentist

    EnviroDentist 2+ Year Member

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    It's close to 4500, but I don't know the exact number.
     
  14. burton117

    burton117 The Big Kahuna 10+ Year Member

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    So 4500/10731 = 42% accepted?
     
  15. SHC1984

    SHC1984 Banned Banned 5+ Year Member

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    Thats almost 50%, so it really shouldn't be that hard... so why the hell do I have to reapply again???? :eek: just bad luck I guess....:(





     
  16. armorshell

    armorshell One Man Freak Show Dentist Physician Moderator Emeritus 10+ Year Member

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    42 is always the answer. Not only to this question, but to life, the universe and everything :)
     
  17. burton117

    burton117 The Big Kahuna 10+ Year Member

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    This year (entering class of 2007) there are at least 12000 applicants according to AADSAS.

    This would make it 4500/12000 = 38%
     
  18. burton117

    burton117 The Big Kahuna 10+ Year Member

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    my apologies armorshell...

    I'll have to change my previous post to 42% then!! :laugh: :laugh:
     
  19. Fuji

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    4 8 15 16 23 42

    (sorry, I just watched all of seasons 1 and 2 back to back)
     
  20. armorshell

    armorshell One Man Freak Show Dentist Physician Moderator Emeritus 10+ Year Member

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    Guess I'm the only real nerd here
    [​IMG]
     
  21. countbluecars

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    no, i got it too. 42 is definitely the answer to the question of life, the universe, and everything. don't panic.
     
  22. OceanBlue

    OceanBlue HA! I knew it. 2+ Year Member

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    seriously...if you take the numbers of stars in the universe...divide it by the year i was born....take the square root of that....then divide it by the number of apples in my backyard....then take the square root again. It's 42. OMG OMG OMG. I also want get married at 42 to 42 wives and have 42 kids. 42 is the answer to everything. :D
     
  23. gogiantsss

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    i was wondering if the final average numbers take into account of # of enrollees in a school. For example NYU with a high number of enrollees would have more pull than a smaller school say... UW. The numbers could be potentially skewed one way or another if this part of the analysis was omitted.
     
  24. doc toothache

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  25. STIG

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    This is not a good news. :(
     
  26. burton117

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  29. Dauber

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    The oral surgeon who I shadowed and collected my teeth from is in his 60's and will retire in a few years, if not before. He often used the old timey dentist phrase "if I applied today, i wouldn't have gotten in." Judging by these trends, I'll be able to say that next year! :laugh:
     
  30. doc toothache

    doc toothache 10+ Year Member

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    You make a good a point. Indeed, if we were interested in calculating the mean scores for the enrollees we would have to take into account the number of enrollees for each school. However, the mean that was calculated (for the post) reflects the mean scores for acceptance at dental schools. Other than info values, there is not much to be gained by calculating the mean scores for enrollees. One can certainly argue that the mean scores for dental schools is equally unimportant. The means shown in the post, however, are useful in evaluating the trend or, if you will, the change from one year to the other. It can be used to ascertain the numbers needed to gain acceptance. Keep in mind that the comparison of one's score to a particular school in question is more important than the comparison with the mean values. For example, mean national school values may be competitive at most school, but certainly not at say, Harvard, Columbia, UCLA, SUNY, PENN, and Washington, to name a few.
     
  31. pre-dentalguy

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    Someone did their homework!

    Marion
     
  32. doc toothache

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    There is a little bit of good news. The number of enrollees will increase by 100 for the class entering in the fall of 2008 when the College of Dental Medicine (Midwestern University) open in Glendale, Arizona. The tuition and fees at ~60K may be discouraging for some.

    In terms of number of applicants, the numbers may continue to rise for the next few years, it is unlikely the trend will continue indefinitely. The biggest spike in application (and enrollment) was in the mid '70 when the number of applicants surpassed 15K. (see R.G. Weaver, U.S. Dental School Applicants and Enrollees:A Ten Year Perspective, J. Dent. Ed 2000, 867). The decline continued until 1990. The next increase started in 1991, peaked in 1997 and declined until 2001. Starting around 2002 there was an increase in the numbers, a trend which has continued to the present. If we are seeing past history repeating itself, we can expect an additional 2-3 years of rise in enrollment followed by a gradual decline.
     
  33. Smills91

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    It's called Affirimitive Action...those that fill the "quotas" with LESSER stats are those that beat out those of us ABOVE THE AVERAGE.
     
  34. armorshell

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    Whatever helps you sleep at night buddy :laugh:
     
  35. Drill2Fill

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    I'm sure the few that got acceptances skewed the result that much. :rolleyes:
     
  36. t man

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    mmm... think deep. 42 is also conveniently the answer to "how many roads must a man walk down?"
     
  37. SHC1984

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    I hate affirmitive action too, but there is nothing we can do about it! it sucks. :mad: But I can't complain b/c my stats are good, but they AREN'T the absolute BEST in the world either. here are my stats I thought I was good enough to get in this year too but I was wrong.. http://www.predents.com/?page=user&user_id=2028 But it does make me upset when there are people out there that get accepted with a 17 or 18 DAT... or anyone that is just not qualified, but got in b/c their parents are rich etc.. but life is not fair, if it was I would be rich already! lol.. just kidding.



     
  38. Dauber

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    yea, your stats look great; no idea why you didn't get in. did you use profanity in your personal statement? :laugh:
     
  39. SHC1984

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    My interview score was low (from UNC) but I don't know what I said "wrong". It might have been b/c I said I wanted to be an orthodontist?? I am not sure ... No profanity though...lol..





     
  40. natedizzle

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    I think the reason you didn't get in anywhere was because of you choice in schools. #1 Harvard is etremely hard to get into no matter what. #2 I don't think Alabama accepts any out of staters. #3 Howard likes to take blacks and the underserved, and I'm assuming you're asian. That leaves you with 2 realistic possiblities. Do your research and apply to more schools where you have a good chance of getting in. There are many schools in the nation that would have gladly taken someone with those scores.
     
  41. fajitapita

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    Bump. This is the by far the best, most objective, and informative thread I have ever seen on SDN.
     
  42. doc toothache

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    QUOTE=AlphaQUp;4940589]Thanks for the analysis. I hope it doesn't get even harder for this cycle :([/QUOTE]

    As the number of applicants increases there will be a greater number of qualified applicants. Looking at previous trends, expect an increase in the number of applications for say 2-4 years followed by a gradual decline.
     
  43. blue_moon01

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    I concur.
     
  44. blue_moon01

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    You are good enough.. but not good enough for an "ASIAN"...

    Also, affirmative action has flaws... but it works most of the time. The people(minority) who are accepted might have lower GPA/DAT but they usually are qualified individuals with GPA/DATs that usually meet/exceed the requirement. It sucks, but it's not like they are letting in complete unqualified morrons so affirmative action still got my votes
     
  45. DDSDakoo

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    man i haven't been on sdn in a week and here i find this!
    42%?!

    kudos to the op!
     
  46. blue_moon01

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    I got in trouble with my 42% thread that I started..

    Apparently, not everyone read this thread... so they didn't understand my 42% thread..

    Anyways.. I'm wondering why the mod haven't close it yet...

    must be because of 42%
     
  47. trent

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    I'm hoping to enroll in d-school at age 42 (not kidding), so the rule of 42 is on my side.
     

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