great allopathic schools that are often less recognized by outsiders

What are the great allo schools that are least recognized (multi-answer OK

  • UW

    Votes: 33 19.3%
  • Pitt

    Votes: 51 29.8%
  • Duke

    Votes: 15 8.8%
  • Baylor

    Votes: 33 19.3%
  • UT-Southwestern

    Votes: 31 18.1%
  • Mayo

    Votes: 38 22.2%
  • Case

    Votes: 36 21.1%
  • Alabama-Birmingham

    Votes: 26 15.2%
  • Wisconsin-Madison

    Votes: 22 12.9%
  • Mt. Sinai

    Votes: 29 17.0%
  • OSU

    Votes: 22 12.9%
  • OHSU

    Votes: 38 22.2%
  • UMinnesota

    Votes: 22 12.9%
  • Cincinnati

    Votes: 16 9.4%
  • Albert Einstein

    Votes: 37 21.6%

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of the ones in the poll, which would you say is excellent but least recognized by the lay person (say...your grandmother)?
 
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After reading my list, I had a lot of people ask me, "University of Michigan why would you apply there?" I usually responded with "Um, it is only one of the top 10 research medical schools in the country." That seemed to work in convincing them UMich was an amazing school. I would say this situation could be true of a lot of the state schools, that people outside of medicine might not recognize how highly they are respected and recognized within the medical community.
 

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dude... ppl dont know anything about baylor other than it's in waco and they had a bball coach try to cover up a murder of one of his players....

PS: i know that the med school is in houston and in no way affiliated with the undergrad... therein lies the irony
 

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After reading my list, I had a lot of people ask me, "University of Michigan why would you apply there?" I usually responded with "Um, it is only one of the top 10 research medical schools in the country." That seemed to work in convincing them UMich was an amazing school. I would say this situation could be true of a lot of the state schools, that people outside of medicine might not recognize how highly they are respected and recognized within the medical community.

In state schools are very well known in that state. University of Michigan and Wayne State University are very well respected in Michigan. Not only that, but U of M plays advertisements for its med school multiple times during each football game they have. WSU is especially well known in SE Michigan since a lot of Wayne grads stay in the area and practice.
 

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People from Michigan think HIGHLY of UofM, probably up there with Harvard. Wayne State is highly respected in Michigan as far as medical school goes. MSU on the other hand gets the wrath handed to them. Maybe that is because I am from the Metro Detroit area but who knows.
 

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People from Michigan think HIGHLY of UofM, probably up there with Harvard. Wayne State is highly respected in Michigan as far as medical school goes. MSU on the other hand gets the wrath handed to them. Maybe that is because I am from the Metro Detroit area but who knows.

Oh, I definitely think very highly of Michigan and I'm not even from Michigan! (and I have absolutely no personal connection to the University) I may even think better of them than Harvard because their football team is awesome! :laugh: side note: Can we please not start a OSU/Florida/USC/Mich football bash session? ok, thanks.
 

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People from Michigan think HIGHLY of UofM, probably up there with Harvard. Wayne State is highly respected in Michigan as far as medical school goes. MSU on the other hand gets the wrath handed to them. Maybe that is because I am from the Metro Detroit area but who knows.

yeah the whole primary care/rural thing really does kill their rep a bit. Though I'm from the Flint area where everyone is clueless anyway.
 
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This might be a midwestern thing, but for me the State schools' name recognition helps them out quite a bit, since in general the Michigans and the Indianas of the world are usually the best schools in thier respective states. It's the standalone med schools that tend to cause people to tilt thier heads... places like Rush, etc.
 

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Lol this thread reminds me of the thread earlier on about What is the most underrated allopathic school- to which a poster said, the answer is probably the one you got into lol
 

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I had never heard of Baylor until they came to my school to talk with pre-meds. Also, I have had to explian to my family why I think so highly of OHSU.
 

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Oh, I definitely think very highly of Michigan and I'm not even from Michigan! (and I have absolutely no personal connection to the University) I may even think better of them than Harvard because their football team is awesome! :laugh: side note: Can we please not start a OSU/Florida/USC/Mich football bash session? ok, thanks.

Everyone knows they pay there players regardless of the sport (Cough Chris Webber).
 

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So I was talking to my Grandma at her nursing home (she has dimentia) and this is I swear... how the conversation went regarding my interest in Mayo.

Me: I really loved Mayo. I think that is where I'd go if I had a choice.
Grandma: Is that that school named after Mayonnaise? God **** it. At least you could go to a school named after a more reputable condiment.
Brother: (Sometimes I think my grandma's mental health is contagious) I like Mayonnaise.
Me: (I'm horrible and play along) Ya well I kinda liked the Mayo Model of Care... see by propagating mayonnaise consumption they maintain a high patient flow sustaining a large profitable business, which I could get involved with by going there.
Grandma: Well at least they must have good tuna salad. Well that makes sense honey. I hope it works out.
Me: (Kiss grandma goodbye and take off for the day.)
Brother: (as we are leaving after realizing my sarcasm) you're a jackass.
Me: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

This is just one example, but I think there are a lot of people outside the midwest who don't know about Mayo.
 

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I always thought Mayo Clinic was the top medical school in the nation before I actually looked at the rankings. Maybe it is because I am from the midwest but I thought Mayo was THE place to go.
 

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From what I know about Mayo's ranking, it's lower than it should be because the rank number is generated largely taking into account NIH grants based on the idea that more money = better research. In Mayo's case, they get TONS of money (and I meant TONS) and much of it is in private donations (resulting in less need for Mayo researchers to fight for NIH money). In the end, the simple ranking system does not take all of this money into account and so Mayo falls lower on the list. The rank for Mayo is therefore not representative is is largely underestimated. Should be much higher than it appears.

BTW - I'm from California, not the Midwest. Mayo is awesome. And no, I have not been accepted there so I am not biased. :(
 

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My Chinese friends think that the school doesn't have a clinic associated with it... since "mayo" in Chinese is something along the lines of "don't have."
hahaha

cantonese my friend

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pyrois said:
My Chinese friends think that the school doesn't have a clinic associated with it... since "mayo" in Chinese is something along the lines of "don't have."
hahaha

cantonese my friend

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Don't know about Cantonese, but "mei you" (which could sound like Mayo to a gringo) means "don't have" or "isn't there" in Mandarin. :)
 

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Duke is least recognized as a med school?! Since when?? Even people outside of the medical field has heard of the school b/c of the school's sports teams.

I'd vote for WashU, it's not even known that well in the midwest among people who haven't grown up in the midwest area. I think the fact that it was left out also indicates it's underrated status. :D
 

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dude... ppl dont know anything about baylor other than it's in waco and they had a bball coach try to cover up a murder of one of his players....

PS: i know that the med school is in houston and in no way affiliated with the undergrad... therein lies the irony
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It's even worse when you're not from Texas.

Friend: So you're going to Baylor, huh?
Me: Yeah, I'm pretty pumped.
Friend: So you're going to be a Bear now. That's cool. Baylor's an okay school. I heard it's kind of a religious school though.
Me: No, uh, that's Baylor UNIVERSITY, in Waco. They're not affiliated. And Baylor College of Medicine is a top 10 school, ranked higher than Columbia.
Friend: *eyes get really wide* Oh, really? Wow...Where's Baylor then?
Me: In Houston.
Friend: Wow, I had no idea. I thought you were going to the boonies.

Yeah, so I get to look forward to this for the next several months until I graduate. Thank goodness people in the medical community know about it.
 

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I love how the poll is neck-and-neck between just about every school. I guess it just goes to show that there are a lot of great schools out there.
 

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ya milk... either way you look at it, baylor has no street cred

as for mayo, i always figured it was a great school cuz you hear about it so much on 20/20 and dateline nbc and stuff... thats how i knew about hopkins and mayo as a kid... thats just me tho...
 

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Why are you even talking about Mayo? Mayo Clinic??? Hello????

I picked UWash cuz I'm on the east coast and no one knows that it's a top tier school. I would also say UCSF but that's not on the list....
 

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should Duke and UW be on that list? They are both Top 10 schools in both primary and research, and that's enough credit, no?
 
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It's even worse when you're not from Texas.

Friend: So you're going to Baylor, huh?
Me: Yeah, I'm pretty pumped.
Friend: So you're going to be a Bear now. That's cool. Baylor's an okay school. I heard it's kind of a religious school though.
Me: No, uh, that's Baylor UNIVERSITY, in Waco. They're not affiliated. And Baylor College of Medicine is a top 10 school, ranked higher than Columbia.
Friend: *eyes get really wide* Oh, really? Wow...Where's Baylor then?
Me: In Houston.
Friend: Wow, I had no idea. I thought you were going to the boonies.

Yeah, so I get to look forward to this for the next several months until I graduate. Thank goodness people in the medical community know about it.

Ditto. Baylor University and Baylor College of Medicine are not the same place. While I'm at it, Baylor Hospital in Dallas is not connected to the medical school in Houston. BCM has somewhat of a connection to Rice.

I read the options, and what I see is that it says more about the OP than the nation as a whole.
 

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ya upenn and pitt... and ucsf too i agree with that

ucsf
washu
upenn
baylor
pitt
even hopkins

dude... i love it when ppl who are total n00bs say well why didnt you apply to med school at princeton or something.... :smuggrin: :thumbdown: fail
 

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In state schools are very well known in that state.

YES! People in Richmond seem to think that MCV/VCU is one of the best medical schools in the country. While it's a great school and a great program, it's nowhere near the top. When I tell people it's probably not even ranked in the top 50% of schools, they are shocked.

I think it's funny how people have an automatic positive bias to something based solely on their proximity to it.
 

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Mayo is extremely polarized - some people know right away that it's amazing, and others will say, "What's Mayo???"
 

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YES! People in Richmond seem to think that MCV/VCU is one of the best medical schools in the country. While it's a great school and a great program, it's nowhere near the top. When I tell people it's probably not even ranked in the top 50% of schools, they are shocked.

I think it's funny how people have an automatic positive bias to something based solely on their proximity to it.

:thumbup: So true. The extent to which people personalze things is mind-boggling. Just look at some posts on SDN for example...

"My school is so hard and everyone else's is easy to get a 4.0"
"My LORs and ECs are the best around"
"Why am I not getting interviews? I'm the best candidate there is..."
 

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I'm gonna LOL at Pitt because they're winning and I didn't even apply there!
 

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ya upenn and pitt... and ucsf too i agree with that

ucsf
washu
upenn
baylor
pitt
even hopkins

dude... i love it when ppl who are total n00bs say well why didnt you apply to med school at princeton or something.... :smuggrin: :thumbdown: fail

We might as well just go to Harvard and not have to worry about this...

There, I said it. :)
 

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After reading my list, I had a lot of people ask me, "University of Michigan why would you apply there?" I usually responded with "Um, it is only one of the top 10 research medical schools in the country." That seemed to work in convincing them UMich was an amazing school. I would say this situation could be true of a lot of the state schools, that people outside of medicine might not recognize how highly they are respected and recognized within the medical community.

I didn't even realize Vanderbilt was a good school in anything until last year (being in the south doesn't help)... and Emory didn't even exist on my radar. It's all regional. Michigan seems to get all it's respect from the Midwest and East Coast, but doesn't pull any weight in the South and west.

BTW... University of Michigan is top 10 in everything :smuggrin:
 

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Another manual vote for UCSF. No one on the east coast knows of it. I think another thing that hurts it is the fact they don't have an undergrad...so no football team for people to know of.
 
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