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It is an antitrust issue. You know what this means? The monopolization of one product or services by the few. So far the Board in my State would not touch me . I am daring them to come & sue me this way I can talk to the Judges & the public. But no one dares as they know they will open their own pandora box if they come as I am pushing them to come to me & debate this issue in front of a Commission. The biggest argument that I want to lay out in the open is the fact that the geographical movements of people from one place to another does not affect our knowledge. What the ADA is saying right now is becoz we cross the Pacific /Atlantic ocean we left our brains over there or along the way. Do you get my point? We are all found guilty of stupidity unless proven otherwise. How do you like that? I say enough , I hope this answer your FAQ.

For the three Italian dentists that stand up in FLA Supreme Court left Floridians a very long lasting legacy that now is still in effect.

Ambidextrous people has rights too.

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GUILTY OF STUPIDITY..........:rolleyes:
Well dear Lakambini,, stupidity is one thing which is infinite,, it has no limits,, and if there is ever a limit of stupidity i have no doubt in saying that it will be certainly you.
who is guilty of stupidity??if you are so intelligent then why do'nt you crack the NDBE exams and prove yourself.
and if you dislike and denounce the existing system so much, why did you come to this land?, were you not aware of all this back home?i am sure ADA did not invite you,you made a choice and now when it has come to a point that you have to prove yourself you are weak in your knees,deep inside you know that you are not compitent enough, so what do you do..? you find ways to blame the system and you find this forum to vent out your frustations.
You say that the system is at fault.. well dear just for your information ,, even the students from USA who enroll in the 4 yr DDS program have to take NDBE exams.
So for heaven sake stop this blame game, you do'nt like the system,, well you may be a big shot back home dear, but this is americana,,you may be a MD or even a Phd, but so as to get a licence to work you got to take the NDBE exams, go for the interviews, compete with a basic dental graduate like me, prove yourself, study for 2 years and then get a licence.
if you do not like this,,,,,,,, well then,,,, get lost and F_ _ _ yourself.
BUT
STOP SAYING **** ABOUT DENTISTRY OUT HERE, WE ALL ARE HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE A CAUSE AND WE LOVE OUR PROFESSION.

I HOPE THIS WAS ENOUGH, IF YOU STILL WANT TO STRETCH THIS,, THEN I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY,,, THERE IS NO LAW IN THIS LAND AGAINST BEING STUPID..:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
GUILTY OF STUPIDITY..........:rolleyes:
Well dear Lakambini,, stupidity is one thing which is infinite,, it has no limits,, and if there is ever a limit of stupidity i have no doubt in saying that it will be certainly you.
who is guilty of stupidity??if you are so intelligent then why do'nt you crack the NDBE exams and prove yourself.
and if you dislike and denounce the existing system so much, why did you come to this land?, were you not aware of all this back home?i am sure ADA did not invite you,you made a choice and now when it has come to a point that you have to prove yourself you are weak in your knees,deep inside you know that you are not compitent enough, so what do you do..? you find ways to blame the system and you find this forum to vent out your frustations.
You say that the system is at fault.. well dear just for your information ,, even the students from USA who enroll in the 4 yr DDS program have to take NDBE exams.
So for heaven sake stop this blame game, you do'nt like the system,, well you may be a big shot back home dear, but this is americana,,you may be a MD or even a Phd, but so as to get a licence to work you got to take the NDBE exams, go for the interviews, compete with a basic dental graduate like me, prove yourself, study for 2 years and then get a licence.
if you do not like this,,,,,,,, well then,,,, get lost and F_ _ _ yourself.
BUT
STOP SAYING **** ABOUT DENTISTRY OUT HERE, WE ALL ARE HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE A CAUSE AND WE LOVE OUR PROFESSION.

I HOPE THIS WAS ENOUGH, IF YOU STILL WANT TO STRETCH THIS,, THEN I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY,,, THERE IS NO LAW IN THIS LAND AGAINST BEING STUPID..:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

WHOA:scared: :scared: U said it all dude.totally agree with u.
 
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GUILTY OF STUPIDITY..........:rolleyes:
Well dear Lakambini,, stupidity is one thing which is infinite,, it has no limits,, and if there is ever a limit of stupidity i have no doubt in saying that it will be certainly you.
who is guilty of stupidity??if you are so intelligent then why do'nt you crack the NDBE exams and prove yourself.
and if you dislike and denounce the existing system so much, why did you come to this land?, were you not aware of all this back home?i am sure ADA did not invite you,you made a choice and now when it has come to a point that you have to prove yourself you are weak in your knees,deep inside you know that you are not compitent enough, so what do you do..? you find ways to blame the system and you find this forum to vent out your frustations.
You say that the system is at fault.. well dear just for your information ,, even the students from USA who enroll in the 4 yr DDS program have to take NDBE exams.
So for heaven sake stop this blame game, you do'nt like the system,, well you may be a big shot back home dear, but this is americana,,you may be a MD or even a Phd, but so as to get a licence to work you got to take the NDBE exams, go for the interviews, compete with a basic dental graduate like me, prove yourself, study for 2 years and then get a licence.
if you do not like this,,,,,,,, well then,,,, get lost and F_ _ _ yourself.
BUT
STOP SAYING **** ABOUT DENTISTRY OUT HERE, WE ALL ARE HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE A CAUSE AND WE LOVE OUR PROFESSION.

I HOPE THIS WAS ENOUGH, IF YOU STILL WANT TO STRETCH THIS,, THEN I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY,,, THERE IS NO LAW IN THIS LAND AGAINST BEING STUPID..:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Wow that was amazing. I totally agree with u. All the students who have done their masters or Phd or any specilization back home should not have their eyes on their head and keep one thing in mind that down here in US/Canada we all r at par, no matter if u have done ur bachelors, masters or Phd:thumbup:
 
Ambidextrous people has rights too.

UERM/FTD/Phils

Apparently these rights include: Grammatical incompetence; Claiming to be as smart as Einstein; Claiming to be a genious computer hacker; and most importantly. . . THE RIGHT TO BE BANNED FROM SDN!!!

Congratulations SDN for ridding us of this lunatic. :thumbup:
 
GUILTY OF STUPIDITY..........:rolleyes:
Well dear Lakambini,, stupidity is one thing which is infinite,, it has no limits,, and if there is ever a limit of stupidity i have no doubt in saying that it will be certainly you.
who is guilty of stupidity??if you are so intelligent then why do'nt you crack the NDBE exams and prove yourself.
and if you dislike and denounce the existing system so much, why did you come to this land?, were you not aware of all this back home?i am sure ADA did not invite you,you made a choice and now when it has come to a point that you have to prove yourself you are weak in your knees,deep inside you know that you are not compitent enough, so what do you do..? you find ways to blame the system and you find this forum to vent out your frustations.
You say that the system is at fault.. well dear just for your information ,, even the students from USA who enroll in the 4 yr DDS program have to take NDBE exams.
So for heaven sake stop this blame game, you do'nt like the system,, well you may be a big shot back home dear, but this is americana,,you may be a MD or even a Phd, but so as to get a licence to work you got to take the NDBE exams, go for the interviews, compete with a basic dental graduate like me, prove yourself, study for 2 years and then get a licence.
if you do not like this,,,,,,,, well then,,,, get lost and F_ _ _ yourself.
BUT
STOP SAYING **** ABOUT DENTISTRY OUT HERE, WE ALL ARE HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE A CAUSE AND WE LOVE OUR PROFESSION.

I HOPE THIS WAS ENOUGH, IF YOU STILL WANT TO STRETCH THIS,, THEN I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY,,, THERE IS NO LAW IN THIS LAND AGAINST BEING STUPID..:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
:thumbup: well said...
 
There must be some kind of exams or supplementary training for foreign trained dentists before they get US license. If anybody says no to it, he must be a stupid. But I do see some problems in the pathways existing at the moment for FTDs.
1) MDs. Foreign medical graduates need to take USMLE step 1 and step 2 CS and CK and that's all! they can apply for residencies, I know lot of people who got into highly competitive specialties like orthopedics, 5 year Urology, ophthalmology, radiology, ER etc. they don't have any US experience before they get into residencies. During residency, depending on the state, in 1 year (few states), 2 years (most states), 3 years (few states), they will get full license. Similar procedure for pharmacists, nurses, physiotherapists.
2) Dentistry is the only profession where they need to go back to dental school!! That means foreign medical education is OK but not foreign dental education? I really don't know why it is so. When FMGs are allowed to deal life threatening emergencies without going back to medical schools, what's the problem in allowing FTDs to deal with just teeth?
3) Why cant rest of the states find similar route like CA (stopped in 2004), Hawaii (stopped in 2005), Minnesota (active now) allowing FTDs to take some exams and grant license.
4) Or they could create more GPR/AEGD, or other specility programs and eventually grant license.

Any thoughts welcome. Dont attack me personally please!
 
There must be some kind of exams or supplementary training for foreign trained dentists before they get US license. If anybody says no to it, he must be a stupid. But I do see some problems in the pathways existing at the moment for FTDs.
1) MDs. Foreign medical graduates need to take USMLE step 1 and step 2 CS and CK and that's all! they can apply for residencies, I know lot of people who got into highly competitive specialties like orthopedics, 5 year Urology, ophthalmology, radiology, ER etc. they don't have any US experience before they get into residencies. During residency, depending on the state, in 1 year (few states), 2 years (most states), 3 years (few states), they will get full license. Similar procedure for pharmacists, nurses, physiotherapists.
2) Dentistry is the only profession where they need to go back to dental school!! That means foreign medical education is OK but not foreign dental education? I really don't know why it is so. When FMGs are allowed to deal life threatening emergencies without going back to medical schools, what's the problem in allowing FTDs to deals with just teeth?
3) Why cant rest of the states find similar route like CA (stopped in 2004), Hawaii (stopped in 2005), Minnesota (active now) allowing FTDs to take some exams and grant license.
4) Or they could create more GPR/AEGD, or other specility programs and eventually grant license.
agreed... system for FTDs is totally different as compared to Foreign med grads... but if someone opts to cross the pacific/atlantic to work as Dentist in US, he/she has to go by the rules n liability of this decision is totally his/hers... so rather than playing blame games n wasting time writing stupid things on SDN in a fit of anger, one shud do a research on how to excel as FTD in this country(for LAKAMBINI19)
 
i agree with docvanszz and i completely agree with nondentist
LAKAMBINI was behaving in a manner that can be compaired to a lunatic, instead of proving himself/herself he/she was just blaming the system, and even saying nonsence about the dental profession(read her other thread)
well he is a bygone now,, has been BANNED from this site.

i admit the path is difficult and expensive too and if you compair with the medicine ppl it is very hard and costs a lot
but believe me friends it is worth the effort and the money
medicine,dentistry,pharmacy,pharmaceuticals etc. professions are controlled by very strong associations, each has own laws and guidelines.The research i have done so far, an average dentist makes much more $$$ than an average medicine graduate(i am not talking about specialists) and a dental specialist still makes lot more than a medicine specialist.
2 days ago i went to my physician to get a medical examination,, and we both discussed the same issue,,
conclusion---dentistry pays more, is a science,, but more of an art,, we are artist people, and the price of artwork knows no bounds, so it is equally hard to become a dentist
my 2 cents,,
 
i agree with docvanszz and i completely agree with nondentist
LAKAMBINI was behaving in a manner that can be compaired to a lunatic, instead of proving himself/herself he/she was just blaming the system, and even saying nonsence about the dental profession(read her other thread)
well he is a bygone now,, has been BANNED from this site.

i admit the path is difficult and expensive too and if you compair with the medicine ppl it is very hard and costs a lot
but believe me friends it is worth the effort and the money
medicine,dentistry,pharmacy,pharmaceuticals etc. professions are controlled by very strong associations, each has own laws and guidelines.The research i have done so far, an average dentist makes much more $$$ than an average medicine graduate(i am not talking about specialists) and a dental specialist still makes lot more than a medicine specialist.
2 days ago i went to my physician to get a medical examination,, and we both discussed the same issue,,
conclusion---dentistry pays more, is a science,, but more of an art,, we are artist people, and the price of artwork knows no bounds, so it is equally hard to become a dentist
my 2 cents,,
very true... put in hard work n funds(1 time investment), n this profession gives u everything - money, satisfaction n most importantly a better life...
 
I am sorry; I need to contradict you here. I just had been to www.salary.com site. Family practioner salary is much more than general dentist's salary. Same with specialties. May be I posted in an inappropriate thread, but I am not trying to defend anyone. But the only thing I am not so happy about is going back to dental schools.
California had RT exam for quiet some time. Here there so many FTDs practising happily after passing these exams and obtaining license. Quality of dentistry is same as before. It is unfortunate that CA stopped this route. My argument is why cant other states try that? During regional board licensing exams, they need to do on real patients. So if they pass these exams it is reasonable to assume that FTDs standards are on par with US graduate.
You need to tell your law makers what you want. They are not dentists. You know how Minnesota opened this avenue for FTDs in 2002? Few dentists from Minneapolis realized that there is shortage of dentists in MN and opening doors for FTD can solve that problem and they raised their voice. After few hurdles bill is passed. That's how I got my license in MN and now practicing in MN. Now tell me, would I be more happier going back to dental school spending $150,000 or practicing in MN after passing NBDE and WREB?
We are the direct beneficiaries if any such law comes in to effect. When even we don't care about it, who will bother to waste their time?
 
I am sorry; I need to contradict you here. I just had been to www.salary.com site. Family practioner salary is much more than general dentist’s salary. Same with specialties. May be I posted in an inappropriate thread, but I am not trying to defend anyone. But the only thing I am not so happy about is going back to dental schools.
California had RT exam for quiet some time. Here there so many FTDs practising happily after passing these exams and obtaining license. Quality of dentistry is same as before. It is unfortunate that CA stopped this route. My argument is why cant other states try that? During regional board licensing exams, they need to do on real patients. So if they pass these exams it is reasonable to assume that FTDs standards are on par with US graduate.
You need to tell your law makers what you want. They are not dentists. You know how Minnesota opened this avenue for FTDs in 2002? Few dentists from Minneapolis realized that there is shortage of dentists in MN and opening doors for FTD can solve that problem and they raised their voice. After few hurdles bill is passed. That’s how I got my license in MN and now practicing in MN. Now tell me, would I be more happier going back to dental school spending $150,000 or practicing in MN after passing NBDE and WREB?
We are the direct beneficiaries if any such law comes in to effect. When even we don’t care about it, who will bother to waste their time?
every professional field has its pros n cons... according to my understanding demand and supply rule applies here also
 
There must be some kind of exams or supplementary training for foreign trained dentists before they get US license. If anybody says no to it, he must be a stupid. But I do see some problems in the pathways existing at the moment for FTDs.
1) MDs. Foreign medical graduates need to take USMLE step 1 and step 2 CS and CK and that's all! they can apply for residencies, I know lot of people who got into highly competitive specialties like orthopedics, 5 year Urology, ophthalmology, radiology, ER etc. they don't have any US experience before they get into residencies. During residency, depending on the state, in 1 year (few states), 2 years (most states), 3 years (few states), they will get full license. Similar procedure for pharmacists, nurses, physiotherapists.
2) Dentistry is the only profession where they need to go back to dental school!! That means foreign medical education is OK but not foreign dental education? I really don't know why it is so. When FMGs are allowed to deal life threatening emergencies without going back to medical schools, what's the problem in allowing FTDs to deal with just teeth?
3) Why cant rest of the states find similar route like CA (stopped in 2004), Hawaii (stopped in 2005), Minnesota (active now) allowing FTDs to take some exams and grant license.
4) Or they could create more GPR/AEGD, or other specility programs and eventually grant license.

Any thoughts welcome. Dont attack me personally please!


Hey I agree with you on most things, but the reason why I think med school grads from other countries can go straight to residency programs(which are specializing programs) here in US after passing some exams is because residency is kinda a MUST for med grads anywhere in the world.Anyone who graduates from Med school anywhere in the world definitely goes for a specilizing residency,with very few exceptions.
As for dentistry, most dentists do not prefer to specialize so what residency options can they be offered ????Dentists dunt NEED to do a residency program to practice,hence the difference.
It is a basic difference in the manner the medical license differs from dental license.Residency is mandatory for one , not a requirement for the other!

http://www.ada.org/prof/prac/licensu...ompare_med.pdf
there are quite a few states that offer the doing the speciality or gpr/AEGD route to get license, I beleive about 18 states.So that route can be taken by those who do not wish to spend 150k+ money or not sure about their duration of stay/visa in US.
But maybe having more GPR/AEGD programs for foreign grads will help the situation.I am not sure if the average American patient favors the dentist with a DDS/DMD over the one with just a GPR/AEGD residency.
thanks :)
 
hey,
didnt wanna bother you or invade this thread but didnt you once say you are a surgical resident and not a dentist?just curious,no offense though.
I am sorry; I need to contradict you here. I just had been to www.salary.com site. Family practioner salary is much more than general dentist's salary. Same with specialties. May be I posted in an inappropriate thread, but I am not trying to defend anyone. But the only thing I am not so happy about is going back to dental schools.
California had RT exam for quiet some time. Here there so many FTDs practising happily after passing these exams and obtaining license. Quality of dentistry is same as before. It is unfortunate that CA stopped this route. My argument is why cant other states try that? During regional board licensing exams, they need to do on real patients. So if they pass these exams it is reasonable to assume that FTDs standards are on par with US graduate.
You need to tell your law makers what you want. They are not dentists. You know how Minnesota opened this avenue for FTDs in 2002? Few dentists from Minneapolis realized that there is shortage of dentists in MN and opening doors for FTD can solve that problem and they raised their voice. After few hurdles bill is passed. That's how I got my license in MN and now practicing in MN. Now tell me, would I be more happier going back to dental school spending $150,000 or practicing in MN after passing NBDE and WREB? We are the direct beneficiaries if any such law comes in to effect. When even we don't care about it, who will bother to waste their time?
 
Thank you James Bond. My husband was a surgical resident, now he is practicing and don't have any time. That's how I know more about medical things and had a chance to compare both professions. He used to help me in the beginning (2004). He was using this ID. Now I m using it.
I just gave my thoughts and also requested not to attack me personally. Most of posts, I tried to answer somebody else's questions, though I really don't need to know any more information.
 
Hey I agree with you on most things, but the reason why I think med school grads from other countries can go straight to residency programs(which are specializing programs) here in US after passing some exams is because residency is kinda a MUST for med grads anywhere in the world.Anyone who graduates from Med school anywhere in the world definitely goes for a specilizing residency,with very few exceptions.
As for dentistry, most dentists do not prefer to specialize so what residency options can they be offered ????Dentists dunt NEED to do a residency program to practice,hence the difference.It is a basic difference in the manner the medical license differs from dental license.Residency is mandatory for one , not a requirement for the other!

http://www.ada.org/prof/prac/licensu...ompare_med.pdf
there are quite a few states that offer the doing the speciality or gpr/AEGD route to get license, I beleive about 18 states.So that route can be taken by those who do not wish to spend 150k+ money or not sure about their duration of stay/visa in US.
But maybe having more GPR/AEGD programs for foreign grads will help the situation.I am not sure if the average American patient favors the dentist with a DDS/DMD over the one with just a GPR/AEGD residency.
thanks :)

This is the key difference. It really is a significant difference.
 
Thank you James Bond. My husband was a surgical resident, now he is practicing and don’t have any time. That’s how I know more about medical things and had a chance to compare both professions. He used to help me in the beginning (2004). He was using this ID. Now I m using it.
I just gave my thoughts and also requested not to attack me personally. Most of posts, I tried to answer somebody else’s questions, though I really don’t need to know any more information.

hey,
dunt take me wrong, your posts have been very beneficial in the past too, as you(your husband) have provided a lot of information all the way ,about the MN license procedure.it was much needed on this forum. thanks for your contribution, keep it up!:thumbup:
 
There must be some kind of exams or supplementary training for foreign trained dentists before they get US license. If anybody says no to it, he must be a stupid. But I do see some problems in the pathways existing at the moment for FTDs.
1) MDs. Foreign medical graduates need to take USMLE step 1 and step 2 CS and CK and that’s all! they can apply for residencies, I know lot of people who got into highly competitive specialties like orthopedics, 5 year Urology, ophthalmology, radiology, ER etc. they don’t have any US experience before they get into residencies. During residency, depending on the state, in 1 year (few states), 2 years (most states), 3 years (few states), they will get full license. Similar procedure for pharmacists, nurses, physiotherapists.
2) Dentistry is the only profession where they need to go back to dental school!! That means foreign medical education is OK but not foreign dental education? I really don’t know why it is so. When FMGs are allowed to deal life threatening emergencies without going back to medical schools, what’s the problem in allowing FTDs to deal with just teeth?
3) Why cant rest of the states find similar route like CA (stopped in 2004), Hawaii (stopped in 2005), Minnesota (active now) allowing FTDs to take some exams and grant license.
4) Or they could create more GPR/AEGD, or other specility programs and eventually grant license.

Any thoughts welcome. Dont attack me personally please!


Dentist are heavily saturrated in population compared to MD's, that is why there is the need for the extra schooling. How many dental clincs do you usually see in one street corner or one mall strip. personally i've seen two or three at times in just one street corner.
 

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