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Hard to get a good residency?

Discussion in 'Pre-Medical - MD' started by evoviiigsr, Apr 30, 2007.

  1. evoviiigsr

    evoviiigsr 7+ Year Member

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    I was wondering, would it be easier to get competitive residencies, all else held constant, if you go to a less famous U.S. med school like Morehouse OR one of the best Caribbean schools like St. George's? Thanks!
     
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  3. Lests55

    Lests55 Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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    Conventional wisdom is that grads of US medical schools fare much better than international grads. The numbers support this.
     
  4. Tired Pigeon

    Tired Pigeon 7+ Year Member

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    US >>> Caribbean
     
  5. evoviiigsr

    evoviiigsr 7+ Year Member

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    Do you have to be be black to go to a predominantly black school?
     
  6. bretticus

    bretticus Neuroradiology fellow 10+ Year Member

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    I'm pretty sure it's "predominant" because non-blacks get in. :)
     
  7. SupergreenMnM

    SupergreenMnM Peanut, not chocolate 2+ Year Member

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    Yes. The caribbean school will make you an IMG, i.e. with few exceptions you get the scraps leftover from all the US allo grads.
     
  8. pennybridge

    pennybridge Banned Banned

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    you either have to be black, want to be black, or got the serious jungle fever...
     
  9. gsmithers68

    gsmithers68 2+ Year Member

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    Or be an idiot without a MSAR and apply to Howard as a white middle class west coast californian coming out of san francisco.
     
  10. Tired

    Tired Fading away 7+ Year Member

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    Understand that Caribbean schools are generally looked on as where failed premeds go when they get rejected from all the U.S. schools. Yes yes, I know that a lot of their students will find residencies, can do okay, etc etc. But the fact remains that the moment you enroll in Caribbean school, you immediately set yourself in a hole that is very difficult to climb out of. If you're good, you'll still do okay, but even a mediocre student at a lower-tier U.S. school will have an easier time in the Match than the better Caribbean students.
     
  11. Gut Shot

    Gut Shot 10+ Year Member

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    I know a very accomplished young pathologist at Memorial Sloan-Kettering (not the shabbiest of institutions) who attended Howard, and he's as middle class white as the day is long. He absolutely had to attend med school in DC due to a dying parent, and Howard was the only one to admit him.
     
  12. learss79

    learss79 Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    I seriously hope you are joking.
     
  13. learss79

    learss79 Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    The USMLE pass rates for Morehouse have been around 98% or 99% for the past three years. That is higher than most medical schools in this country.
     
  14. GuzzyRon

    GuzzyRon Son of the Son of Man 10+ Year Member

    Hope so too.
     
  15. Chrissy

    Chrissy Senior Member 5+ Year Member

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    Why is God's name would you go caribbean before applying osteopathic?...especially because you claim residencies are your concern
     
  16. evoviiigsr

    evoviiigsr 7+ Year Member

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    I don't know if I'll be practicing in the US all my life
     
  17. Law2Doc

    Law2Doc 5K+ Member Physician Moderator Emeritus 10+ Year Member

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    If you plan to practice in the US, your first choice should be to go to school in the US. Caribbean is a harder road. Even the caribbean schools with reportedly good board scores and successful matches have substantially higher attrition than any US school, so you have to factor in that the percentage of the first year class that even gets to apply to residencies is already significantly smaller than its US counterparts. These schools were set up as a cottage industry of "second chance" schools for US students who didn't get in the US, and so they carry that reputation. At the moment, there are more residency slots than US grads though, so a lot of offshore educated folks do get residencies. This may change, as the US schools continue to increase in size and number.
     
  18. foofish

    foofish 7+ Year Member

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    I'd imagine that even abroad an American medical degree would get you farther than a Caribbean degree....unless you're planning on practicing on whichever island you go to school.
     
  19. pcguy2

    pcguy2 Minneapolis Master 2+ Year Member

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    Pediatricians of the Caribnean?
     
  20. Old ortho

    Old ortho 2+ Year Member

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    For U. S. med schools' graduates, is it easier to get into good residencies if they go to a higher ranked school (e.g. Mount Sinai) instead of a lower ranked school (e.g. NYMC)?
     
  21. Robizzle

    Robizzle 1K Member 2+ Year Member

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    Didn't you already create an entire thread for your question already?

    Also, have you taken a look at NYMC's match lists in the previous years? Most kids either match into NYC or Cali programs because that's where most of the class is from. So it's entirely possible.
     
  22. MDAdam

    MDAdam 10+ Year Member

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    What constitutes a "good" residency?
     
  23. Tired

    Tired Fading away 7+ Year Member

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    The ones that don't suck.
     
  24. MDAdam

    MDAdam 10+ Year Member

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    Oh, ok...

    maybe US News should rank residencies.
    jk
     
  25. Tired Pigeon

    Tired Pigeon 7+ Year Member

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    :laugh:
     
  26. Tired

    Tired Fading away 7+ Year Member

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    You actually raise a really good point. What constitutes a "good" residency?

    Unlike medical schools, you can't just arrange residency programs in order of best to worst. A residency is "good" if it satisfies your goals for the program. A rural community IM program is great, if that's the kind of training you want to get. Similarly, UCLA is excellent at getting their graduates into competitive fellowships, so if you're going that route, you need to see where people go after graduating. What kinds of cases do you want to see? If you're looking toward critical care, you want a residency with an open ICU. If you're going into surgery, you have to think about the kind of practice you want. Thinking about bariatric surgery? Pick a program with a connection to specialty center. Interested in trauma? Look for an inner city program.

    You see where I'm going with this.

    It is a hard thing to readjust your thinking, but residency just doesn't operate on the same rules that undergrad and med school does. Prestige, while nice, takes a big back seat to the more practical question of, "Will this program train me to do the things I want to do?" This is practical education, with the intention of preparing you to practice independently.

    So really, a "good residency" depends on your goals, not an arbitrary ranking by a crappy news magazine.
     
  27. notaroche

    notaroche 2+ Year Member

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    Here's a brain twister for ya. Does George Bush care about this white doctor, despite the fact that he graduated from a black school?
     
  28. gsmithers68

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    Hence the west coast comment... :confused: but you bring up a good point. I would go to a location if a parent lived there and their health was deteriorating, even Howard. Makes sense.

    zing! :laugh:
     
  29. Gut Shot

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    Only if he's a significant contributor to the party (back in the day that meant hookers and blow).
     

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