Harder to gain admission in Canada?

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  1. MUN2005

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    Can someone please give me some thoughts on this subject? If I am completely wrong, please tell me! Here in Canada, our med schools give priority to the students who reside in that particular province, for example, here in Newfoundland, my school has 60 seats, 40 for newfoundlanders, and the rest for OOP and international. All the Canadian schools, as far as I know, run admissions on a similar basis. My thoughts then are this: If I cannot get in to my school here, basically, I won't get in anywhere since other schools requirements for OOP applicants are even higher than my school, leaving basicaly only one choice for a medical school, unless I have stellar stats, EC's etc. However, from what I can gather from this site, in the United States, you can apply to every school if you like, and everyone is given the same priority, regardless of your location? Is this correct? This makes me think that it is easier to get into a school if you are from the US? Please share your thoughts...

    Thanks, Mike.
     
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    It's not true that all Canadian schools favour applicants from their own province. U of T, Queen's, and Western don't do that.

    In the US, private schools generally take students from anywhere, regardless of what state they're from. State schools favour in-state applicants...
     
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    Applying to Ontario schools is a crapshoot, at best. I think the ratio of applicants to acceptances is about 8:1. It's not something you really want to get into..

    You can try putting your name in at a variety of places across Canada, and hope that one sticks... Really, the best chance is at your home school. Do whatever you can to get in there. If that fails, look at US schools. Especially private schools.

    I'm not sure when the Canadian government is going to realize that there is a serious doctor shortage in parts of this country (such as rural Manitoba - where I'm from), and at the same time, getting into med school in Canada is harder than any other industrialized nation because of the limited number of spots. It just doesn't make sense... Hey, even in Winnipeg, I think there's almost a YEAR long waiting list to get a family doctor. That's crazy.
     
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    Your observation of easier for in-province than out-of-province does not apply to UBC very well. I have been waiting to say it for a while but UBC admissions is f**ked up. Look at
    <a href="http://www.med.ubc.ca/md/admission/stats/page2.htm" target="_blank">http://www.med.ubc.ca/md/admission/stats/page2.htm</a>

    And you will see that
    1) it is a heck lot easier to get in as female
    and
    2) they turn away more people with A+ and A average than they accept. Their MCAT scores for acceptees and rejectees are very very similar as well (a mere difference of 0.26 per section). Basically, they do their admissions their "own" way and don't put much emphasis on stats (or any objectivity, as I like to put it). And guess who usually get A+ and A averges...Asians. I have known friends who didn't get into UBC for med (in-province) and have gotten into U of Alberta, Univ. of Western Ontario, Queen's and even Wash U, Vanderbilt, Penn, Albert Einstein, George Washington, and Yale in the States. In the end, they are probably the lucky ones to get their names not associated with UBC med <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

    Anyway, I will post this on the Canadian med admissions board. It will probably cause some stir but I have taken the time to type it up already, so I might as well. or else, it is a waste of my time, eh? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

    Ok, now seriously in answering that questions. I would still try to shoot for out-of-province med schools, just in case. You never know since with one med school per province, you can mess it up over one bad interview. In NY state, however, they are like 4 state schools, so people can at least spread out their risks.

    In the US, state med schools give preference to their own state residents.

    some schools in the states could be on your list. But you gotta make sure you have the money to pay 4 years of tuition and living expenses before applying (i.e. $250k US upfront before first day of class, tugged away in a bank account designated by the school). Otherwise, save your application fee and interview expense because they won't let you matriculate in the US.
     
  6. brandonite

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    Haha. What board are going to post it to??

    Listen to this guy, clinicalchief. He knows what he's talking about...

    There are a dozen schools out of province that you could apply to. I would look to those before I look to the US.
     
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    Thanks for your opinons guys. Thewonderer: Yes that is strange about UBC. BTW, what canadian message board are you talking about?
     
  8. brandonite

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    There are two Canadian boards:

    Ian Wong's board:
    <a href="http://pub44.ezboard.com/bpremed101" target="_blank">http://pub44.ezboard.com/bpremed101</a>

    My personal favorite. Ian doesn't like people who apply to US schools, but he keeps the board moderated, and discussions are usually pretty productive.

    The Delphi board:
    <a href="http://forums.delphiforums.com/anandmed/start" target="_blank">http://forums.delphiforums.com/anandmed/start</a>

    This on is still good, but it isn't moderated, so discussions sometimes get a little out of hand. Call it the TPR of Canadian boards. :)
     
  9. MUN2005

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    Thanks for the links brandonite.
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by brandonite:
    <strong>There are two Canadian boards:

    Ian Wong's board:
    <a href="http://pub44.ezboard.com/bpremed101" target="_blank">http://pub44.ezboard.com/bpremed101</a>

    My personal favorite. Ian doesn't like people who apply to US schools, but he keeps the board moderated, and discussions are usually pretty productive.

    The Delphi board:
    <a href="http://forums.delphiforums.com/anandmed/start" target="_blank">http://forums.delphiforums.com/anandmed/start</a>

    This on is still good, but it isn't moderated, so discussions sometimes get a little out of hand. Call it the TPR of Canadian boards. :) </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">UBC admission is indeed so f*cked up.
    Ian Wong doesn't like people applying to US? ... interesting. It would be interesting to know why.
    I heard from someone that Ian doesn't even have a Bahelor's degree.
     
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    I don't remember Ian ever discouraging someone from applying to the US. There's even a forum on his message board for Canadians that are applying to US schools. And he might not have a bachelor's degree, because (from what I remember reading) he was accepted to medical school after 3 years... so it depends on whether he was able to get a 3 year B.Sc. or not.
     
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    Yeah, I put the message on Ian's board. That board is more active anyway and not surprisingly Ian replied within a couple hours.

    My message's link is
    <a href="http://pub44.ezboard.com/fpremed101frm14.showMessage?topicID=183.topic" target="_blank">http://pub44.ezboard.com/fpremed101frm14.showMessage?topicID=183.topic</a>

    I expanded my message in there and got more specific.

    Ian said that he frequents this board too. Hey, what is your screen-name here?

    So far I have not been burnt on that board yet. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Maybe it is just a matter of time.

    But nevertheless, I really don't think that the numbers lie. There is just something very fishy I smell in the air. I mean, my friends get into out-of-province med schools no problem either! Actually, the one at Alberta now is saving big bucks as UBC med is increasing its tuition to $14k within three years (also see Ian's board). I personally feel that U of A is right up there in biomedical research!
     
  13. brandonite

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    I shouldn't say that he doesn't like people who apply to the US. He doesn't mind me, I don't think. He just strongly discourages it. Which is fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

    Where is moo, anyway? He would have a few choice words to say about UBC admission...
     
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    I am here! Just been writing up my damn thesis!

    Mostly everyone here knows what I think about UBC. I don't think there's any point in hammering home the message that I don't like UBC and their weird admissions policies. But hey, it's their school and they can run it the way they want.

    And for those Canadians reading, yes, all you heard about UBC is true. I did not get an interview with UBC, but I think it is because they don't like physics and math majors. They probably think we are too nerdy or something... brandonite, you can vouch for that <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> j/k As for Ian Wong, I've been to his site a couple times... Admittedly I don't agree with a lot of what he says, but neither do some people on this board (ahem ahem).

    Now back to my bessel functions...
     
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    ? I don't try to discourage people from US schools, as far as I know. I think I've always been pretty up-front in stating that I applied to three US schools and never got to filling out their secondaries (scared off by the tuition).

    My opinions are only opinions, not any sort of a definitive law or anything. That's primarily why I've been recruiting other med students to the forum, so that each person can receive multiple viewpoints.

    I do think Canada has really strong med schools based on my interactions with many physicians who have either worked in the US or gone down their for residency/fellowships. Ultimately, each applicant should look at their long-term goals and choose accordingly. If you want to work in Canada and do a Canadian residency, doing school here will probably help out in the number of connections you make. If going to a Top-20 school in the US is your dream, then that works too.

    In either event, I've been ghosting on this forum for over two years now. I suspect my last posts were from 1999, and probably still floating around here somewhere. And no, I don't have a Bachelor's degree. Are we old classmates Legi?

    Ian
    UBC, Med 3
     
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    No, hey, Ian. I like you a lot. You do a great job on that site. It's by far the best Canadian resource for premeds. I use it a lot (like you know). I just disagree with you. I think that for a lot of people, going to the US is an option. Especially when there are so few seats available in Canada.

    But, then again, SDN is sorta the den for those of us who are applying to top 20 US med schools, so you would expect us to think that we're making the right call here... :)

    Again, thanks for your work on your board. And maybe 'discourage' is the wrong word. We just have different opinions on things, that's all. :)
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Ian Wong:
    <strong>? I don't try to discourage people from US schools, as far as I know. I think I've always been pretty up-front in stating that I applied to three US schools and never got to filling out their secondaries (scared off by the tuition).

    My opinions are only opinions, not any sort of a definitive law or anything. That's primarily why I've been recruiting other med students to the forum, so that each person can receive multiple viewpoints.

    I do think Canada has really strong med schools based on my interactions with many physicians who have either worked in the US or gone down their for residency/fellowships. Ultimately, each applicant should look at their long-term goals and choose accordingly. If you want to work in Canada and do a Canadian residency, doing school here will probably help out in the number of connections you make. If going to a Top-20 school in the US is your dream, then that works too.

    In either event, I've been ghosting on this forum for over two years now. I suspect my last posts were from 1999, and probably still floating around here somewhere. And no, I don't have a Bachelor's degree. Are we old classmates Legi?

    Ian
    UBC, Med 3</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No. I have never taken a single class with you ever. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
    I have many friends who go to UBC and they all regard you as an exceptional person who went to med school without a Bachelor's degree.
    I think it is pretty cool since you can save a year but at the same time I don't understand how UBC med can accept people without Bachelor's degrees.
     
  19. MUN2005

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It's by far the best Canadian resource for premeds. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I second that.
     
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    Legi, most Canadian med schools (not just UBC) do not require a bachelor's degree. For example, Alberta and Calgary even let you in with only two years of undergrad! A lot of the time it's harder to get in if you don't have one, but still far from impossible.
     
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    I second the opinion that Ian has done an awesome job with that board.

    On the other hand, I encourage Americans to apply to McGill and look into that school more. Hey, we might as well help McGill to raise the bar of Americans entering there!

    But honestly, I met a few Americans who are very very happy at McGill. A couple did turn down Columbia and Yale to go there. And they did not regret it when I talked to them before! However, of course, not every American at McGill has such a high stat and background to get in top 10 schools in the US. But if you are choosing between McGill and NYU/CaseWestern/MountSinai/etc., I might personally go to McGill even at its international tuition of around $20k per year.
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Thewonderer:
    <strong>I second the opinion that Ian has done an awesome job with that board.

    On the other hand, I encourage Americans to apply to McGill and look into that school more. Hey, we might as well help McGill to raise the bar of Americans entering there!

    But honestly, I met a few Americans who are very very happy at McGill. A couple did turn down Columbia and Yale to go there. And they did not regret it when I talked to them before! However, of course, not every American at McGill has such a high stat and background to get in top 10 schools in the US. But if you are choosing between McGill and NYU/CaseWestern/MountSinai/etc., I might personally go to McGill even at its international tuition of around $20k per year.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">International tuition of 20k=about 12k USD, so it's much cheaper than any private school and rivals most state schools!
     
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    Now, if only McGill would take more than 5 OOP students a year, I'd be set! Realistically, the 'big 3' in Canada are McGill, UBC, and Toronto. McGill and UBC let in a ridiculously small number of OOP's, and from the sounds of it, I wouldn't have much of a chance at UBC to begin with. And Toronto, well, I just don't like the city. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by brandonite:
    <strong>Now, if only McGill would take more than 5 OOP students a year, I'd be set! Realistically, the 'big 3' in Canada are McGill, UBC, and Toronto. McGill and UBC let in a ridiculously small number of OOP's, and from the sounds of it, I wouldn't have much of a chance at UBC to begin with. And Toronto, well, I just don't like the city. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't like UBC :p

    good conversion.

    <a href="http://www.finance.mcgill.ca/acct/sa/feehea99.htm#Faculty" target="_blank">http://www.finance.mcgill.ca/acct/sa/feehea99.htm#Faculty</a> of Medicine

    <a href="http://www.medicine.mcgill.ca/admissions/english/external.htm" target="_blank">http://www.medicine.mcgill.ca/admissions/english/external.htm</a>

    <a href="http://www.medicine.mcgill.ca/history/" target="_blank">http://www.medicine.mcgill.ca/history/</a>

    But I guess no American has shared our enthusiasm and posted here.... :D
     
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    I just read that second link. That's a little ridiculous. They are very encouraging to international students, but seem very intent on discouraging OOP applicants. But, I suppose I should have expected as much. I don't even know if it's worth the application, to be perfectly honest!

    So, that leaves me with Toronto, should I apply again.

    I have no idea why they don't plan things out intelligently in Canada...
     
  26. MUN2005

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    brandonite: Did you interview in Toronto?
     
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    I heard something along the lines of 450 applicants for 5 OOP spots at McGill this year! Blech.
     
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    Well, here is an enthusiastic american :cool: ;

    I am also a current McGill undergraduate, so perhaps I can offer some perspective upon the whole US-Canada matter.
    Firstly, many of my friends were OOP applicants, and I also heard numbers like 400 apply, and about 46 are interviewed for five spots. Those are much different than Quebec Citizens :) who graduate from four year programs. About 150 apply, 80 are interviewed for 60 spots.

    With respect to the OOP situation, that is all set by the Quebec gov't, so its at least partly based upon separatist politics.

    To illustrate this, you may not know that all OOP student AND internationals have to sign a contract before matriculation stipulating that they won't stay in Quebec after residency. If they want to practice here they either have to pay some exorbitant sum ($300K) or practice in rural Quebec (read: learn french) for some number of years. So bascially they want to discourage anglophone immigration.

    So interestingly, admission to McGill is probably one of the least competitive in Canada, especially for a 'top' med school, IF you are a QUEBEC resident (either out of CEGEP or bachelors), but its quite competitive if you are from out of province.

    The American contingent could probably be more competitive, but McGill isn't really that well known to US premeds as an option.

    To give a little insight into OOP selection, I know two OOPs who got interviews, but I don't know if they got in yet. One had 3.95 GPA (McGill undergrad so no 4.3s) and 36-S MCAT, and good ECs etc. The other had 3.7 (McGill) and 34 MCAT, but with very impressive ECs.
    They should find out soon if they got in.

    Myself, I applied relatively late in the US, so I might have no choice but to stay here. But I'm not complaining Its an amazing city, a great school, cheap rent, close housing, and guaranteed White Christmas <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> .

    p.s
    Any Americans that are applying this year: I strongly encourage you to try for McGill, its 40 bucks canadian(.75 cents US) a fun essay and the chance to attend a great school in a great city!
     
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    And I thought 5 OOP was being exaggerated! 5 spots? That's crazy! How many total spots does McGill have in total anyway? Whoa.
     
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    They have been increasing ~10%/yr for the past few years, class 2005 is 140, class of 2006 will be 160

    with: 60? in province bachelors
    70? in province CEGEP(5 year premed program)
    25 International
    5 OOP
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by MUN2005:
    <strong>brandonite: Did you interview in Toronto?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I didn't apply. Like I said, I'm not a big fan of the city as a whole. But apparently I have to be less choosy. :)
     
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    Hi McEntrye,
    I answered your question in another thread. yeah, neither of my concerns is applicable to you since you are an American and don't have parents who live in Asia :)

    Yeah, I did see that contract. along with me, two other highschool friends also got into McGill OOP. One of them tried to argue with me that the contract states that once you graduate and finish residency, you have to either practice in rural Quebec or practice in Montreal and pay big $$$. And I was rolling my eyes and said that that would not make any sense because no OOP applicant would bother with applying to McGill in the first place! Anyway, she is now at U of Toronto. She was not serious about McGill back then anyway since she was aiming for MD/PhD (so maybe she just glanced at the contract and just threw it in the garbage bin. but either way, she was not arguing using any common sense). She feels that more research is done at Toronto.
     
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    MUN2005,
    If you have any questions about U of T Meds (or Toronto in general) I might be able to answer them. I'm certainly not an expert on the program, but as an undergrad student at the school and future interviewee there (in two weeks) I've learned a few things about it...
     
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    As an OOP I was going to apply to McGill, but it was late in the application season and when I saw McGill's application I just said forget it. I didn't want to retype my essay onto four pages, with each page describing a different thing. However, I've always wondered... that the reason McGill accepts so many Americans is simply b/c of the tuition money they bring in... so is it possible, even as a Canadian, to apply as an international student for one of those lesser-competitive international spots? It'd still be a heck of a deal, considering how much I would be paying in the US!
     
  35. brandonite

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    Moo - I believe the reasons are more political than economics... I don't think you qualify as an international student.

    As far as I've heard, there are a couple reasons as to why there are five times more people accepted from the US as opposed to OOP. Firstly, McGill wants to maintain their American reputation, and they do that by taking a large number of Americans. Secondly, the Quebec government wants to see itself as a separate nation, and they can do that, in a manner, by ignoring Canadian applicants in favor of American applicants.
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by brandonite:
    <strong>Moo - I believe the reasons are more political than economics... I don't think you qualify as an international student.

    As far as I've heard, there are a couple reasons as to why there are five times more people accepted from the US as opposed to OOP. Firstly, McGill wants to maintain their American reputation, and they do that by taking a large number of Americans. Secondly, the Quebec government wants to see itself as a separate nation, and they can do that, in a manner, by ignoring Canadian applicants in favor of American applicants.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hi Brandonite,

    I am SHOCKED by your conspiracy theory!! Gasp! The political intrigue and your imagination... :)
    just kidding.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

    Acutally, they are possible after all, although I tend to believe more of the economic explanation. However, McGill does have an amazing reputation in the states....from what I see for the last, say, 6+ years here.

    I am just slowly picking up my Canadian roots again. Will Ferguson is hilarious. I have been reading "Why I hate Canadians" and "How to be a Canadian." I highly recommend them!
     
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    Well, let's look at this. If it were just a money problem, then why wouldn't they just raise OOP tuition values to something comparable to the international ones? At that rate, I still think they would be cheaper than most Ontario schools. And so they would still have a ready and willing supply of premeds flocking to Montreal.

    It just doesn't make sense to let in 5 times more internationals than OOP. There has to be some political reason there... I don't even think any of the other schools in Canada take any internationals, though I admit I could be wrong on that count.

    If I reapply MD/PhD next year, the only two schools in Canada I will apply to will be Toronto and Manitoba. Despite my objections to the former, and my deep concerns about the atmosphere amongst the student body at Toronto, they do have a lot of research opportunities and the MD/PhD program is far ahead of any other in Canada.

    Due to the nonsense at McGill, I don't really think they are an option for most Canadians...
     
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    What's wrong with UT? Aside from it being in a crummy town, that is.
     
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    Umm, well, I've heard bad rumours. That Toronto attracts the vast majority of the gunners in Canadian universities, the atmosphere is inredibly competitive, the class size is way too large to facilitate any type of group or bonding amongst the class, that sort of thing. I'm not disputing the research/education credentials of the school. And I should add that all of my complaints are based on second hand knowledge... I'm only repeating what I've heard. But that is cause for concern. I've never heard that atmosphere at any school talked about as badly as Toronto's.

    But, this is probably verging on flame-bait. So... :)
     
  40. MUN2005

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    Maybe the McGill thing is a little of both economics and american reputation - it is just what they do. I agree with brandonite that this school is just not an option for most Canadians, like myself, besides, I would rather attend my provincial school here than anywhere else. Yes, this may sound a bit absurd, but the class size is only 60, and there is a little more "communial" feeling between students, with not too much competition. Besides, I have worked in and around this hospital for a while and have become sort of accustomed(sp?) to it. VC15: I dont not have any specific questions about UofT but I really appreciate your help! But I still can't believe that McGill only takes 5 OOPs! GEEZ!
     
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    Exactly, MUN2005. I really like Manitoba as a school, too. They have a bunch of really cool research going on (they have an NRC lab down the street, and the Health Canada virology lab is attached), the facilities are great, but best of all, the students are really friendly! There are only 85 in a class, so they all know each other, and they feel like they are a group. I think in a group of 200, like at Toronto, a very competitive attitude is fostered...

    Just my opinion, though...
     
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    Well it's a good thing you guys have your home schools to fall back on. As you know, UBC rejected my ass, as I knew they would do before I even applied (I had heard rumors about them not liking P-sciences majors). I was going to apply to manitoba but didn't think I'd make it in as an OOP. So the only option left for me was to look south.
     
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    moo: So what is your situation now? Have you applied anywhere else in Canada?
     
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    I'll be attending either Northwestern (waiting post-interview) or Med Col of Wisconsin (accepted)... and no, I did not apply anywhere else in Canada.
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by moo:
    <strong>Well it's a good thing you guys have your home schools to fall back on. As you know, UBC rejected my ass, as I knew they would do before I even applied (I had heard rumors about them not liking P-sciences majors). I was going to apply to manitoba but didn't think I'd make it in as an OOP. So the only option left for me was to look south.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I think UVic should have a med school.
     
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    I've heard all the bad rumours about U of T too, but all the med students that I've personally met there are cool people. I'm definitely keeping an open mind, and hopefully I can form a more definite impression after my interview. It'll be hard for it to match the atmosphere at Western (where I interviewed yeseterday), though. Most of the the students there seem pretty chilled, and they're also very close. The program's also great for those that are clinically oriented (rather than research).

    And what's with all the hating on the city of Toronto? It's an amazing place, people, come on! :mad:

    BTW, UVic and U. of Northern BC (I think) will be getting some medical students soon, I believe. I think they're going be satellite campuses of UBC med with 24 students each.
     
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    For some reason, alot of medical students from Memorial match into programs at Western, especially EM. Are they recognised for a popular EM program or something? I've read up on the school and it seems to be pretty good from what I can tell. And yes, I do love Toronto and would definitly be interested in going to school there, but I would rather go to my school here for the reasons I stated above. But then again, as a said before, if I don't get in here, chances that I'll get in somewhere else are slim to none. Oh well.
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by VC15:
    <strong>I've heard all the bad rumours about U of T too, but all the med students that I've personally met there are cool people. I'm definitely keeping an open mind, and hopefully I can form a more definite impression after my interview. It'll be hard for it to match the atmosphere at Western (where I interviewed yeseterday), though. Most of the the students there seem pretty chilled, and they're also very close. The program's also great for those that are clinically oriented (rather than research).

    And what's with all the hating on the city of Toronto? It's an amazing place, people, come on! :mad:

    BTW, UVic and U. of Northern BC (I think) will be getting some medical students soon, I believe. I think they're going be satellite campuses of UBC med with 24 students each.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I would not worry too much about rumors because class characteristics do change from year to year. Go with the city and the lower tuition (if there is any among the ON schools). My friend there likes U of T but then again, she is MD/PhD....

    Toronto is just...you know...not as vibrant as Montreal :) Also, I did not follow up with U of Toronto app a few years back because I got my credit card number wrong on the disk application I returned. Then when the lady called back a month later, I got into a school in the US already and I figured paying $160 for applying to one ON school is not worth it (I wanted BIG BIG city after going to undergrad in a small town). So I told the lady to go ahead and cancel my app because I could not "pay for it"
    :D (I was playing poor...)

    Yeah, I heard from Ian that's what UBC med will do at UVic and UNBC.
     
  49. VC15

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    Tuitions in Ontario are high no matter where you go. Nothing compared to a private American school, of course, but still tons more than any other Canadian school.
     
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    do you know how much ON tuition is, approximately? About 15000? or so?
     
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    Ottawa is the cheapest, at around $12,000 for next year. Queen's is $13,500, Western will be around $14,500, U of T will be $15,500, and McMaster will be $16,500 (but keep in mind that Mac has a 3 year program.
     
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    Hey
    If an american goes to mcgill for undergrad, does he become a quebec citizen, or he must marry a quebecouise?
     

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