HARVARD?

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  1. jfksenior

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    Hey,
    who has gotten into HMS?
    Can someone explain what kinds of students they accept, other than grades/mcat?
    what are they looking for as opposed to other schools?
    Are students happy there?
    is it stressful?
    any opinions would be much appreicated.
     
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  3. abefroman

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    I don't think grades/MCATs are the most important things at places like HMS. If they wanted to they could take a whole class of people with near 4.0 GPAs and 40 MCATs. But they don't.

    You're experiences will be the most important thing. And if you don't have what they're looking for by now you probably won't be able to achieve it by the time you submit AMCAS. If you're interested then spend the $30 to apply and see what happens. If you get an interview that's great, but don't expect one.
     
  4. Scooby Doo

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    Nice first post.

    Go back to studying for your SAT's and come back to the board when you are applying to medical school...
     
  5. Dr. Parker

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    Scooby:

    Go back to studying for your SAT's and come back to the board when you are applying to medical school...

    Why only when he's applying to medical school? You begin your training for being a doctor the day you make the decision, it is never too early to start asking questions and learning things about medical school. I am starting college in the fall, does that mean I shouldn't worry about medical school for another 3 years? I don't think so! I didn't know Freshmen and younger were so shunned. That is very upsetting. As an older pre-med you have a chance to HELP a younger pre-med, not tell them to shut up and sit down!

    Just a thought! :)
     
  6. Scooby Doo

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    Dr. Parker,

    Sorry..I was just being sarcastic. and basically most of the people on the board do not like super young ones trying to figure out about Harvard..teh holy grail of med school education.

    And for you, as an entering college freshman, you want to know what I suggest...start volunteering and donig things you care about. Go drink....go party...go hiking..whatever...just have some fun..have a life....
     
  7. lola

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    how do we know this guy/girl is super young??
     
  8. ckent

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    I would recommend everyone w/ a GPA over 3.7 and MCAT over 32 to go ahead and apply to Harvard. I had higher numbers, but I didn't apply because I didn't even think that I could get an interview. I regretted it later though, because a few of my friends with lower numbers (around those that I have listed) got interviews. Granted, they didn't get in either, but at least you have a chance when they grant you an interview. No shame in being rejected by HMS either. Only shame in not applying if you wanted to go there but didn't apply.
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by lola:
    <strong>how do we know this guy/girl is super young??</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">We don't. I was being extremely sarcastic b/c that is my mood right now.
     
  10. bond007md

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    Harvard med. to me is a random luck of the draw. Obviously, they expect students with good stats but it is that extra UMPH <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> - that nobody can ever point out- which decides whether you go or not!
    Good luck- if you are applying there.

    ps- now go win the olympics and then the Nobel--juz kidding <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
     
  11. relatively prime

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    Yeah... I think Harvard is just wierd. Their average accepted GPA is a 3.8 and their average accepted MCAT is like a 34. So obviouly they like to see high numbers... I wouldn't apply unless you have at least a 3.6 and a 32MCAT. If you have the numbers then I think it's just a matter of if they like you or not... personality means A LOT to Harvard.
     
  12. The Philosopher

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    Alright, for you people who asked for an example of a Harvard meddie, a kid in my lab just got in this year to the MD/PhD

    I saw his AMCAS! Ha!!! Here are his classes!!

    Intro Bio A+
    Intro Bio !!!! A+
    Phil--Ethics A
    Intro Chem and Lab A+
    Intro Chem II and Lab A+
    Calc I: A
    Calc II: A

    Orgo and Lab: A+
    Some bio class: A
    2 Physics semesters: A+ both of em

    Integrative neurophysiology: A
    Immunology: A+
    Comparative Vertebrate Anatomy: A
    Brain, Learning, and memory: A
    Orgo II: A+
    Comparative Animal Physiology: A
    Senior thesis in Psych: A

    yada yada yada and i'm a yuppy

    4.0/35

    All i gotta say is that in every single class at our school that offered an A+ grade, he got it

    really cool guy, though. Not some nerd.

    3 publications, mountain climbing, PR instructor, this guy is DA MAN

    Although, I didn't see anything too special other than his numbers and publications, and research, and recs... oh wait...that's everything!

    No...but his EC's weren't anything to throw your eyeballs at.

    I should also add that he got accepted at Michigan in like...frigging november or something. He wants Columbia though. Dunno what happened after Feb or march...
     
  13. relatively prime

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    Yeah but that's MD/PhD... I don't think it's the same for the new pathways thing. Harvard MD/PhD or the Harvard-MIT deal... they just want hard-core science people... really nerdy people who live for science and research (I use "nerdy" in an affectionate way... meaning totally into science).

    I think the new pathways program has a different kind of admissions criteria.
     
  14. bond007md

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    Oh I did not know if you wanted a specific example. But a friend of mine also got into Harvard MD/PHD. He had an overriding 4.0 GPA in the Honors Program in BioChem. Also he did heavy duty research and got published at NIH throughout his four years and on the MCAT he got a 40! I saw all of this because we are close friends. Also like the last post he had numerous other interests and was super cool- we partied alot :cool:
     
  15. bond007md

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    Wops! I just read prime's post and I completely agree. These perfect stats are only for the MD/Phd or HST students so I would not fret if your stats are more normal. Pathway is much easier to get into compared to the other two programs.
     
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  17. Cambrian

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ckent:
    <strong>I would recommend everyone w/ a GPA over 3.7 and MCAT over 32 to go ahead and apply to Harvard. I had higher numbers, but I didn't apply because I didn't even think that I could get an interview. I regretted it later though, because a few of my friends with lower numbers (around those that I have listed) got interviews. Granted, they didn't get in either, but at least you have a chance when they grant you an interview. No shame in being rejected by HMS either. Only shame in not applying if you wanted to go there but didn't apply.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">My thoughts exactly. Apply even if you have a 30 MCAT. Who cares if you get rejected. I think it is redundant at this point to reiterate how random this process is. Perhaps there is something interesting in you that Harvard likes. Apply, apply, apply. If you want to go there then do it. In hindsight, I regret not applying to Harvard. I chickened out.
     
  18. brickmanli

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    At Harvard, they could fashion a few more classes out of the rejection pile and the quality of students would be just as good. I wish I can get into Harvard, but my defense mechanism and ego force me to bash the hell out of it. I'm sick of Harvard Med students getting book contracts to write about their experiences. There's this author Ethan Canin who went to HMS but is now writing short stories for a living. What gives?

    To get into HMS, you should definitely do something unique (I don't just mean a few measly publications) in addition to your high GPA and MCAT. You see their average MCAT and GPA on US News, and it's not much different from other top schools. So something must be special about the people who get in, or a few scored astronomically on the MCAT, and the rest are Nobel Prize winners.

    if you're in high school, you might think getting in is pretty easy. But as time goes on, your resolve will fade and you will lose more and more hope. I was a pretty cocky high schooler, doing bench research with a HMS graduate, but during my senior year in college, I was pretty content with my state medical school. But that doesn't mean it can't be done, just don't be too surprised if it doesn't happen.
     
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    i used to date a guy at harvard med. he said most of his classmates had been really into volunteering/community service during undergrad. he was a big brother and also did other very time consuming volunteer activities as an undergrad and even while he was in med school.
     
  20. Cdc28p

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by jfksenior:
    <strong>Can someone explain what kinds of students they accept, other than grades/mcat?
    what are they looking for as opposed to other schools?
    Are students happy there?
    is it stressful?
    any opinions would be much appreicated.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">HMS of course takes students with excellent MCATs and GPAs, but I think they don't put as much emphasis on the numbers as some top schools--Wash U, Columbia--do. As someone has said above, personality is extremely important to them. But like all top schools, they look for compassionate, intelligent, energetic, mature candidates who would take full advantage of what the school has to offer. It's really difficult to tell the difference between HMS and other schools in this aspect.

    However, I can tell you that HMS students are generally very happy. I have many HMS friends in New Pathway and HST and a few in the MD/PhD program and know that all of them but one are enjoying their time here. The one exception is this girl who totally hated her first year in the intense, heavily lecture-based HST program. However, she's now used to the curriculum and enjoying it much more. The students are a diverse bunch of amazingly talented and wonderfully friendly people. Some have had their PhDs, some are fresh out of college. Some were Rhodes scholars, while some look quite ordinary on paper. However, they all have a kind of passion and energy that I find very contagious... a sense of confidence in their idealistic dreams... And no, I don't think the students are stressed out too much, or at least they don't show it.

    If you have decent numbers, apply! Don't be intimidated by the Harvard name. Confidence, not arrogance of course, makes a candidate attractive. I don't know how the formal education here is different from the other top schools. But I think Harvard as a university, i.e. the collection of the college, the professional and graduate schools, and other institutions, is second to none in the world. If you only care about medicine, there are plenty of similarly excellent institutions. But if you care to learn about other things as well, you'll be very happy here. There are endless resources for you to explore. (It also helps that the school has the second largest endowement for a non-profit organization in the world; the Vatican City has the largest.) The people, both students and professors, that Harvard attracts are simply amazing... HMS occupies a central place in the university and will get much help from a new university president who is working to make Boston the Silicon Valley of biotechnology.

    You can see that I'm quite biased. :) But really, you can't go wrong attending HMS. Don't hesitate to apply even if you think you're quite ordinary. Good luck.
     
  21. Cambrian

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by brickmanli:
    <strong>
    To get into HMS, you should definitely do something unique (I don't just mean a few measly publications) in addition to your high GPA and MCAT.
    </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">When you say unique, do you mean life experiences unique or extracurricular activities unique?
    I ask this because I think it's hardly fair for Harvard to regard life experiences uniqueness as an important admission criterion. Not everyone of us has extraordinary life circumstances to make us stand out (I consider my family history and life circumstance interesting but it's probably not what Harvard considers "unique"). Furthermore, we should be judged on what we make of ourselves, not what we were born into.
     
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    actually, I'm applying now
    thanks for the replies...
     
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    just a note about harvard md/phd (hst or new pathways): you have to be accepted to harvard med first for later consideration for the phd. so the md/phd kids were accepted to harvard med just like the rest of them at some point. i dunno, it seems like at that school the question is not why can't one get in (stats etc... are good), but what makes one better/more unique than all the other thousands with great stats. i applying, don't forsee myself getting in, but hey, its 30 bucks (thuogh that may balloon to 400 with secondaries, plane etc..).

    -jot
     
  24. Jessica

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    Cdc - well said. but am I having deja vu? Did you cut and paste part of that HMS schpeal from some other post?? I swear that I have read that before. :confused: Darn SDN addiction is making me loony.

    In any event, I completely agree with what Cdc said about HMS. The students I met there have so many different backgrounds, interests, and experiences... it is impossible to say that the admissions committee is looking for any one thing in particular.

    But since you asked for things we SDNers think the HMS ad com looks for - if there is one thing that made the people stand out there when they applied, I think it was their passion and enthusiasm for medicine. There seemed to be real sense of idealism and a "can do" attitude among students about being a strong force in changing the face of medicine and doing really innovative things to help others (which is not to say that there are not movers and shakers all at med schools all over the country who have the same 'tude.) Everyone I met there was so excited about volunteering or community service, I've never seen so many students getting involved in unique community service and public health projects.

    Cambrian - I don't think you have to be "unique" in a wierd life experience kind of way - not too many of the people I met there were what I would consider to be "extraordinary", just very motivated and passionate about medicine - and they were a surprisingly nice and down to earth bunch of people.
     
  25. Cdc28p

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jessica:
    <strong>Cdc - well said. but am I having deja vu? Did you cut and paste part of that HMS schpeal from some other post?? I swear that I have read that before. :confused: Darn SDN addiction is making me loony.

    In any event, I completely agree with what Cdc said about HMS. The students I met there have so many different backgrounds, interests, and experiences... it is impossible to say that the admissions committee is looking for any one thing in particular.

    But since you asked for things we SDNers think the HMS ad com looks for - if there is one thing that made the people stand out there when they applied, I think it was their passion and enthusiasm for medicine. There seemed to be real sense of idealism and a "can do" attitude among students about being a strong force in changing the face of medicine and doing really innovative things to help others (which is not to say that there are not movers and shakers all at med schools all over the country who have the same 'tude.) Everyone I met there was so excited about volunteering or community service, I've never seen so many students getting involved in unique community service and public health projects.

    Cambrian - I don't think you have to be "unique" in a wierd life experience kind of way - not too many of the people I met there were what I would consider to be "extraordinary", just very motivated and passionate about medicine - and they were a surprisingly nice and down to earth bunch of people.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Jessica, well said as well. :) I still wish you had chosen a school 8 hours north of where you're going next year. No, I didn't cut and paste from another post. Perhaps I wrote the same propaganda stuff in another thread? :D

    Yeah, HMS is great. Apply!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
     

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