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What do you guys think President Obama's health care bill means for the future of podiatry?
it means there will be changes to medicine that will take a number of years to play out, and there is still more to be added or taken away.
It means that we live in a socialist country. Can you believe that the government forces me to carry auto insurance or face a hefty fine? I mean... come on.
Not true. If you want to drive, you risk getting caught not having insurance, and then you get a fine. Dont get caught=dont pay a fine.
Today the IRS commisioner talked about how they will likely hold your tax refund (subtract the fine from it) if you don't get the mandated insurance. Try getting out of that one.
air bud said:Today the IRS commisioner talked about how they will likely hold your tax refund (subtract the fine from it) if you don't get the mandated insurance. Try getting out of that one.
Increase your withholdings and then you won't get a tax return...Houdini
air bud said:But then they will just garnish your wages. I guess the solution is to live off the grid and channel my inner Bear Gryllz
My mother had cancer that started in her breast and spread basically everywhere. She battled cancer from the time I was in kindergarden until 8th grade. My father's company had a "cadillac" plan that dumped her after about 3 years of care. We were then forced way (hundreds of thousands) into debt to pay for her roller coaster ride. Luckily the state did pay for her care in the end.
Now after experiencing this I truly do believe that health care is a right to all people. Whether they can afford it or not.
Sorry to hear about your mother, but let's play devil's advocate:My mother had cancer that started in her breast and spread basically everywhere. She battled cancer from the time I was in kindergarden until 8th grade. My father's company had a "cadillac" plan that dumped her after about 3 years of care. We were then forced way (hundreds of thousands) into debt to pay for her roller coaster ride. Luckily the state did pay for her care in the end.
Now after experiencing this I truly do believe that health care is a right to all people. Whether they can afford it or not.
With that in mind, do you believe it's your family's "right" to have the govt forcibly take that money from others (productive working people) to pay for your mother's care? Why? Please do explain. What was she contributing to the society that made her more deserving of the money than the people who worked hard to earn the money? Was she inventing American technological innovations? Was she making world peace? Had she previously paid a similar amount of money she had earned for other sick strangers? Or... was she mostly just sitting at home or in a hospital and costing other productive members of society thousands and thousands of dollars of their hard earned money?
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That is a touching story, but I would like to learn more. A couple of hypothetical questions I would like your opinion on:Simply put your an ass-hole Im sorry that you are going into a health care field with such little compassion.
Yes she did contribute to society. She had a masters in teaching from a very good school, yet choose to work at a "poorer" school that paid 1/2 as much as other schools. Not because she couldnt get a job, but because she loved what she did.
She won best elementary science teacher in my state 4 times. I cant get away from people telling me how much they loved my mother as a teacher.
She collected a million pop tabs with her classes from warehouses over a period of 2-3 years. She did this to both show her students what a million pop tabs looked like and also for charity. Coca cola donated 1 cent to the Ronald Mcdonald house for every pop tab she collected. So yes in short she did contribute to others in need.
In the end our debt was paid for by the state but it was all due to politics. Around senate election times an organization was set up (not by our family) and more or less what happened was people signed a petition threatening not to vote for the particular senator. Magically our debt went away.
Simply put your an ass-hole Im sorry that you are going into a health care field with such little compassion.
Yes she did contribute to society. She had a masters in teaching from a very good school, yet choose to work at a "poorer" school that paid 1/2 as much as other schools. Not because she couldnt get a job, but because she loved what she did.
She won best elementary science teacher in my state 4 times. I cant get away from people telling me how much they loved my mother as a teacher.
She collected a million pop tabs with her classes from warehouses over a period of 2-3 years. She did this to both show her students what a million pop tabs looked like and also for charity. Coca cola donated 1 cent to the Ronald Mcdonald house for every pop tab she collected. So yes in short she did contribute to others in need.
In the end our debt was paid for by the state but it was all due to politics. Around senate election times an organization was set up (not by our family) and more or less what happened was people signed a petition threatening not to vote for the particular senator. Magically our debt went away.
That is a touching story, but I would like to learn more. A couple of hypothetical questions I would like your opinion on:
Situation A:
Mrs. Smith is a high school dropout. She works as a waitress for a bit, but she gets fired for using drugs at work. She goes on welfare. She hasn't gone to church a day in her life, she has kids who get neglected and taken away to foster care, and she smokes crack on the weekends. She develops breast cancer and a prolonged and costly hospital course leading to her demise.
...Should "the state" taxpayer monies pay for Mrs. Smith's medical treatment costs, and should she get the same treatments your mother received - maybe better depending on the hospital she ends up in? Does she have the "right" just like anyone else?
Situation B:
Mrs. Doe has a similar career to your mother: she was ten time teacher of the year (volunteering all the while, not even 1/2 wage), a consummate humanitarian, and a veritable saint if there ever was one. Mrs. Doe develops metastatic breast cancer also. However, her nephew happens to be a successful lawyer, her son a well educated researcher for NASA, and her husband is a cardiologist. Her family can pay the bills out of pocket, and they also subsidize their costs through continued purchase of private insurance. Additionally, this family has paid millions in tax dollars which have helped to pay for the health care and govt services of other random Americans.
...Should "the state" taxpayer money pay for Mrs. Doe's hospital bills also? Isn't it her "right" even though her family has the ability to pay?
I'm still trying to understand this fundamental "right" of health care which should be provided by "the state."
QUOTE=Dental Jarry "Maybe we can can just send them straight to the coal mines to work, and then when they get the black lung, we won't treat them because they don't deserve it."
cough... cough... cough I think I'm getting the black lung pop. lol
By making health insurance mandatory, don't you think rates will go down because of the larger pool of buyers.
Anyway, this bill is a boon to the insurance companies, it does not create a "government plan".
I've already lost my temper with one individual.
Ding ding ding....It really all comes down to competition.
A private company has to pay all of it's financial obligations from collected policy premiums.
The government program subsidizes it's cost with our tax dollars.
A private company has to be profitable in order to stay in business.
The government program can lose money year after year.
It would be nearly impossible for a private company to compete with a government program under absolutely ideal operating conditions.
By forcing companies to provide coverage to absolutely anyone, this new health bill ensures that private insurance has no chance to compete on price, thus driving a large number of people to the government program conveniently waiting to scoop them up.
Perhaps, although Medicare is already a publicly-funded plan and people still prefer private insurance due to better coverage. Maybe it will depend on how good the government plan coverage is.Ding ding ding.
Govt plan pays for its members' health care with premiums + tax money.
Private plans pay for their members' care with premiums only.
...You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out which plan will be cheaper and chosen by more people. People will also realize their money is already taken to fund the public plan members whether they choose the public plan or not.
I could see that happening, although if private insurance companies can't compete then they may have to cut expenses and run leaner. They could raise their premiums but if people won't pay for it then they have to get cheaper. They could start by not giving their CEOs 7-figure bonuses.The majority of currently insured Americans get their insurance through their employer, and nearly all those employers will begin to rapidly dump their employees on the govt option since it is significantly less expensive.
Paying the tax penalties for not insuring the employees will be less cost to the company than continuing to go broke trying to afford private plans that are hiking rates rapidly (or going bankrupt altogether). Those corporate pull outs from the private plans will absolutely skyrocket the cost of premiums since those millions of corporate employees the private pools will be losing were relatively healthy and using little care when compared with the other pool members with disability, chronic illness, etc members.
A free market needs competition. Expecting the private health plans compete with the govt option would be like having a private letter mailing company try to compete with USPS (govt funded, gobbles up taxes, never turns a profit... yet stays around nonetheless). A viable competing company could never happen since the private letter delivery company would be gone after a few years of being in the accounting "red." The only way for the private letter company to survive would be to charge maybe $1 per standard letter delivery, and who'd use that service? Therefore, USPS has a monopoly, and now, the govt will soon have a virtual monopoly on health care insurance coverage also. It'll be interesting to see how the govt plan decides to pay health care providers once the monopoly sets in. Similar to the USPS, there will be no viable competition or negotiation of wages; the employees then take what they are offered. The USPS is losing so many billions of dollars that they are entertaining the idea of cancelling some delivery days to decrease the tax money they're hemmorhaging (I think the idea of actual profit went out the window long ago), but I don't think that idea of limited weekly service days would work too well for health care?
i know this is getting off topic...yes, the USPS is not technically a "government agency" but it runs and operates by special rules. Similar to the way Fanny and Freddie run. And we all know how that is going...
Well, it's a "private corporation" with a laundry list of special rules. Govt laws make them tax exempt, allow borrowing and safety nets of tax funds, give the benefit of other govt services, have "funds" which are nothing more than cleverly disguised tax money gifts, and even make it illegal for a competing letter delivery company to be formed, etc etc. There is definitely no other such "private corporation" in the country.... USPS might not be the best example since it has run as a private corporation for about 30 years, despite being a government agency. I've read that USPS hasn't been funded by tax money since the early 1980's. UPS and FedEx are the direct competition and email, not government monopoly, is killing the USPS.
Well, it's a "private corporation" with a laundry list of special rules. Govt laws make them tax exempt, allow borrowing and safety nets of tax funds, give the benefit of other govt services, have "funds" which are nothing more than cleverly disguised tax money gifts, and even make it illegal for a competing letter delivery company to be formed, etc etc. There is definitely no other such "private corporation" in the country.
I think the emerging govt health plan's functionality will be pretty similar to USPS. Blue Cross pays taxes, MediCare does not. Blue Cross folds if they lose money, but MediCare just gets more tax money injected in. The new health bill won't expressly forbid private insurance company competition in the way USPS letter delivery competition is monopolized in the legislature, but when the govt now plans to give people and corporations a tax penalty for not having insurance for themselves or employees AND they happen to run the only nontaxed and bankruptable insurance plan, they honesly mised well forbid competition since that competition won't survive long anyways. It's a crafty way to make a monopoly IMO, and it'll be very hard for docs and hospitals to negotiate with (virtually) one single govt health care payer.
I could see that happening, although if private insurance companies can't compete then they may have to cut expenses and run leaner.
They could start by not giving their CEOs 7-figure bonuses.
Of course I haven't. I will in the future... if they still exist.Hard to negotiate? Have you ever tried to negotiate with a private insurance company?
Of course I haven't. I will in the future... if they still exist.
The point is that with multiple payers, there are still negotiations to be done. If Chrysler HMO and United will offer only peanuts in payment for our bunionectomies, initial office visits, and casting, then we can refuse to participate in their plan and instead talk to Blue Cross and Diamond PPO to see how much they will offer for those services. The bottom line is that we have options and negotiating power.
With MediCare and MedicAid in their present form, you get what they offer. You might not like their offer, but heck... they have a lot of patients, so almost every DPM will take their offer in order to have the volume. Their offers are low, but they must remain at least somewhat competitive with the private plans. As most docs get established and garner more and more overall patients, they gradually try to see fewer and fewer govt pts in favor of better paying private plan patients. Well, what if the M&M govt plans went from currently having circa 40% of the American population to 95% of all patients after this new health bill is in full swing? The govt insurance plans no longer have any incentives whatsoever to keep their provider payments competive with the private plans. The only choice for providers is to take what govt plans offer or have a virtually empty office... and probably pick up a side job in order to feed their family. That is a major problem IMO, and it's the iceberg on the horizon for American docs.
You can't cut enough expenses to compete when the other guy doesn't have to play by the same rules.
Since when do we arbitrarily decide how much someone is allowed to earn in the private sector?
Wait........
B- to the ingo.Long story short: they basically decided health care is everyone's "right" and should be provided by the govt (aka the tax dollars taken from others) for those who can't afford it.
I think it will create the govt health plan as a monopoly health plan that most Americans will have to depend on... whether that was the whole idea or not is debatable. Private insurance companies have a VERY tough time competing when the new bill forces them to include many people with pre-existing conditions who use a lot of health care $ (they previously would've denied to sell coverage to or hiked the rates on these pts). The costs of those private insurance plans will thus have go up since they have more patients that use more health care $$.
Also, even more destructive, the private plans that do survive will gradually lose many of their "healthy" working class patients since many employers will decide to just dumping them to the govt health plan. The financial reality will become that the companies are better off just paying the new bill's govt fines for not providing employees insurance - rather than keep coughing up even more $ for the increasing cost of private plans. The costs of private insurance will thus skyrocket since the group plan loses many healthy working patients who previously paid in (via employers) but used little care. A lot of this doesn't kick in until 2014, so it's not like this will happen overnight, though.
In the end, a govt monopoly is definitely not good for physician payments. When you end up with probably 90% or more of Americans on the govt plan (basically everyone except VIPs or very sick pts who have to have the few remaining super expensive but "Cadillac" coverage private plans), then there really is no negotiation over fees for services. You will get paid what the govt plan decides to pay you, and that's the end of the story.
I mistakenly thought that each person's body is their responsibility. I though only life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness were constitutional rights which should be protected by govt, but what do I know? Health care is now a "right." Maybe soon we'll decide that cars and car insurance are everyone's "right" and we can increase taxes on the working to give vouchers for people who can't afford that "right" too? Stay tuned.
Who knows, however much you might get less in reimbursement per E&M or CPT code, you could save that in staffing costs (your cadre of billers who have to chase down your payments). At the same time, with more insureds out in the community, you will have more patients. I guess we'll see.
Between salary, bennies, and payroll taxes figure roughly $40,000 per year per Biller.NatCh, Quick question...what is the usual cost per year for billing? I realize it will probably depend on a lot of factors such as solo or group practice but a rough figure would help put things into perspective.
But starting soon, that'll cost you tax penalties. You can't go depriving your employees of their "right" to health care. That will make......We pay about $1200/mo. per employee to provide them with health insurance, so from the viewpoint of a small business owner I'd save a lot each year if I didn't have to insure them...
I agree that having a govt monopoly health plan *may* simplify the billing, but it's always going to be a game....Who knows, however much you might get less in reimbursement per E&M or CPT code, you could save that in staffing costs (your cadre of billers who have to chase down your payments). At the same time, with more insureds out in the community, you will have more patients. I guess we'll see.
But starting soon, that'll cost you tax penalties. You can't go depriving your employees of their "right" to health care. That will make...
You're right, your LLC (or mine, when I establish it) won't get the tax penalties unless the group practice grows bigger and has 50+ employees, but how are we going to attract decent employees once the bill is in full swing? You won't be able to afford the costs of privately insuring your employees anymore (no way tax credits will offset the upticks in premiums), and that insurance is almost surely one of your best selling points to get/keep your key employees such as office mgr, biller, associates, etc.Would it? I don't have 50 employees. This is what I pulled up:
From: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20000846-503544.html
Individual Mandate:
In 2014, everyone must purchase health insurance or face a $695 annual fine. There are some exceptions for low-income people.
Employer Mandate
Technically, there is no employer mandate. Employers with more than 50 employees must provide health insurance or pay a fine of $2000 per worker each year if any worker receives federal subsidies to purchase health insurance. Fines applied to entire number of employees minus some allowances...
...how are we going to attract decent employees once the bill is in full swing? You won't be able to afford the costs of privately insuring your employees anymore (no way tax credits will offset the upticks in premiums), and that insurance is almost surely one of your best selling points to get/keep your key employees such as office mgr, biller, associates, etc.
With hiring/keeping employees it goes far deeper than the insurance issue.
I was trying to keep the glass half-full for you guys, but you've worn me out Feli. I'll pull out so you all can fret unfettered.
<<<<<YOU'RE ALL TOTALLY SCREWED!!!>>>>>
There, that feels pretty good.