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Discussion in 'Pre-Medical - MD' started by grasshopper, Jan 15, 2002.

  1. grasshopper

    grasshopper Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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    I'm wondering if I can develop a thread listing a bunch of schools and their "degree of PBL" (as opposed to lecture)as well as their grading system. For "degree of PBL", let's say 5 is most PBL (Harvard I think? Cornell maybe?), 1 completely lectures (WashU, perhaps Columbia?) (I know this is very opinion based, but let's give it a shot). And grading systems vary, but I'm interested in ABC grade vs. HP/P/F vs. P/F, etc. and whether it changes through the years. Current med students could also be helpful in developing this list. I don't know much, but I'll list a few that I'm interested in and ya'll can (please) rank their PBLness and give insight about grading:

    Columbia
    Northwestern (PBL level: 4)
    Stanford
    Yale (P/F grading)
    Harvard
    Duke
    Pitt
    Penn
    Washington (PBL level: 1)
    UMich
    Harvard
    Cornell
    Baylor

    Please share your insight and add more schools!
     
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  3. Ai

    Ai Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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    I like this topic, but unfortunately I don't have much to add. I do think that Hawaii is full PBL though. Not sure about grading there...
     
  4. Wahoo

    Wahoo Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    I like this thread idea... Adding my thoughts, a couple more schools, and some alphabetization.

    Baylor
    Berkeley (PBL 5)
    Case Western (PBL 4) (HP/P/F)
    Columbia
    Cornell
    Dartmouth (PBL 1)
    Duke
    Harvard
    Northwestern (PBL 4)
    Penn
    Pitt (PBL 4) (HP/P/F)
    Stanford (P/F)
    UCSF (PBL 3)
    UMich
    UVA (PBL 1) (ABC)
    Washington (PBL 1)
    Yale (P/F)
     
  5. katiep

    katiep Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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    Adding Columbia grading:

    Baylor
    Berkeley (PBL 5)
    Case Western (PBL 4) (HP/P/F)
    Columbia (HP/P/F)
    Cornell
    Dartmouth (PBL 1)
    Duke
    Harvard
    Northwestern (PBL 4)
    Penn
    Pitt (PBL 4) (HP/P/F)
    Stanford (P/F)
    UCSF (PBL 3)
    UMich
    UVA (PBL 1) (ABC)
    Washington (PBL 1)
    Yale (P/F)
     
  6. AmateurChef

    AmateurChef Health policy consultant 7+ Year Member

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    Excellent idea for this thread!!! I have a little chart of this info for the schools I applied to, but it's at work. I'll find some time tomorrow to add it.

    :p
     
  7. grasshopper

    grasshopper Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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    Thanks for liking my thread, guys. :) I feel like I could have done all these schools (filled out this info, I mean) right after I interviewed there (I haven't interviewed all those places I listed, but lots of them), but I've since gotten places all jumbled up in my mind. The moral: please return here right after interviews if you're yet to interview and fill out what you can. Thanks!
     
  8. reesie0726

    reesie0726 Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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    I also really like this thread. After visiting different schools, you can kind of forget. I know I did. Well, I will add Howard.
     
  9. Weeble

    Weeble Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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    Baylor
    Berkeley (PBL 5)
    Case Western (PBL 4) (HP/P/F)
    Columbia (HP/P/F)
    Cornell
    Dartmouth (PBL 1)
    Duke
    Harvard
    Howard (PBL 1 & A,B,C)
    Northwestern (PBL 4)
    Penn
    Pitt (PBL 4) (HP/P/F)
    Stanford (P/F)
    UCSD (PBL 2) (HP/P/F) (1st yr, 1st quarter, P/F)
    UCSF (PBL 3)
    UMich
    UVA (PBL 1) (ABC)
    Washington (PBL 1)
    Yale (P/F)
     
  10. UCLA2000

    UCLA2000 7+ Year Member

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    Adding Penn: If you don't know about curriculum 2000 at Penn you're missing out. Only 1.5 yrs book work. Early clinical exposure. Penn rules.


    Baylor
    Berkeley (PBL 5)
    Case Western (PBL 4) (HP/P/F)
    Columbia (HP/P/F)
    Cornell
    Dartmouth (PBL 1)
    Duke
    Harvard
    Howard (PBL 1 & A,B,C)
    Northwestern (PBL 4)
    Penn (PBL 4-5) H/P/F (1st qtr P/F
    Pitt (PBL 4) (HP/P/F)
    Stanford (P/F)
    UCSD (PBL 2) (HP/P/F) (1st yr, 1st quarter, P/F)
    UCSF (PBL 3)
    UMich
    UVA (PBL 1) (ABC)
    Washington (PBL 1)
    Yale (P/F)
     
  11. gooseHC

    gooseHC Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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    Okay I don't mean to seem completely ignorant..because I should know, but PBL stands for...???
     
  12. DJ W.R.

    DJ W.R. Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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  13. gooseHC

    gooseHC Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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    yeah I should have known that..thanks for the translation though! :)
     
  14. gobears

    gobears Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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    I thought Case Western was strictly pass/fail. The list says it's HP/P/F. Anyone know for sure?
     
  15. mma

    mma Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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    Hey Folks,

    Baylor has 1.5 years of bookwork and 2.5 clinical, like Penn...

    Baylor (PBL 3?) (P/F first semester, H/HP/P/MP/F else)
    Berkeley (PBL 5)
    Case Western (PBL 4) (HP/P/F)
    Columbia (HP/P/F)
    Cornell
    Dartmouth (PBL 1)
    Duke
    Harvard
    Howard (PBL 1 & A,B,C)
    Northwestern (PBL 4)
    Penn (PBL 4-5) H/P/F (1st qtr P/F
    Pitt (PBL 4) (HP/P/F)
    Stanford (P/F)
    UCSD (PBL 2) (HP/P/F) (1st yr, 1st quarter, P/F)
    UCSF (PBL 3)
    UMich
    UVA (PBL 1) (ABC)
    Washington (PBL 1)
    Yale (P/F)
     
  16. Jalby

    Jalby I fight crime at day when Batman are sleeping. 10+ Year Member

    CW is P/NP.
     
  17. Original

    Original Ogori-Magongo Warrior 7+ Year Member

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    Duke is 11 months bookwork, followed by 13 months on the wards, followed by 1 yr of your own design, and then 4th yr on the wards of some hospital in the US or elsewhere.

    Baylor (PBL 3?) (P/F first semester, H/HP/P/MP/F else)
    Berkeley (PBL 5)
    Case Western (PBL 4) (HP/P/F)
    Columbia (HP/P/F)
    Cornell
    Dartmouth (PBL 1)
    Duke (PBL 2?; grading=H/P/F)
    Harvard
    Howard (PBL 1 & A,B,C)
    Northwestern (PBL 4)
    Penn (PBL 4-5) H/P/F (1st qtr P/F
    Pitt (PBL 4) (HP/P/F)
    Stanford (P/F)
    UCSD (PBL 2) (HP/P/F) (1st yr, 1st quarter, P/F)
    UCSF (PBL 3)
    UMich
    UVA (PBL 1) (ABC)
    Washington (PBL 1)
    Yale (P/F)[/QB][/QUOTE]
     
  18. Wahoo

    Wahoo Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    Oops, guess I was confused about Case Western's grading system. It's a good thing I've got this thread to straighten me out.

    Baylor (PBL 3?) (P/F first semester, H/HP/P/MP/F else)
    Berkeley (PBL 5)
    Case Western (PBL 4) (P/F)
    Columbia (HP/P/F)
    Cornell
    Dartmouth (PBL 1)
    Duke (PBL 2?; grading=H/P/F)
    Harvard
    Howard (PBL 1 & A,B,C)
    Northwestern (PBL 4)
    Penn (PBL 4-5) H/P/F (1st qtr P/F
    Pitt (PBL 4) (HP/P/F)
    Stanford (P/F)
    UCSD (PBL 2) (HP/P/F) (1st yr, 1st quarter, P/F)
    UCSF (PBL 3)
    UMich
    UVA (PBL 1) (ABC)
    Washington (PBL 1)
    Yale (P/F)
     
  19. Scooby Doo

    Scooby Doo IEatShavedPussyCats 10+ Year Member

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    Feel free to add on more schools...Is "Berkeley" meant to be the joint program??

    Baylor (PBL 3?) (P/F first semester, H/HP/P/MP/F else)
    Berkeley (PBL 5)
    Case Western (PBL 4) (P/F)
    Columbia (HP/P/F)
    Cornell
    Dartmouth (PBL 1)
    Duke (PBL 2?; grading=H/P/F)
    Harvard
    Howard (PBL 1 & A,B,C)
    Mount Sinai (PBL ?) (P/F); (H/P/F Rotations)
    Northwestern (PBL 4)
    NYU (P/F)
    Penn (PBL 4-5) H/P/F (1st qtr P/F
    Pitt (PBL 4) (HP/P/F)
    Stanford (P/F)
    UCSD (PBL 2) (HP/P/F) (1st yr, 1st quarter, P/F)
    UCSF (PBL 3)
    USC (P/F)
    UMich
    UVA (PBL 1) (ABC)
    Vanderbilt (H/HP/P/MP/F (I believe))
    WashU (PBL 1)
    Yale (P/F); (H/P/F Rotations)
     
  20. CoffeeCat

    CoffeeCat SDN Angel 10+ Year Member

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    thank you! What exactly is "berkeley"?
     
  21. pcl

    pcl Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    i think Vandy is A-E, not High pass, etc...
    at least it was last year...
     
  22. EpiII

    EpiII Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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    Adding UCI and UCLA

    Baylor (PBL 3?) (P/F first semester, H/HP/P/MP/F else)
    Berkeley (PBL 5)
    Case Western (PBL 4) (P/F)
    Columbia (HP/P/F)
    Cornell
    Dartmouth (PBL 1)
    Duke (PBL 2?; grading=H/P/F)
    Harvard
    Howard (PBL 1 & A,B,C)
    Mount Sinai (PBL ?) (P/F); (H/P/F Rotations)
    Northwestern (PBL 4)
    NYU (P/F)
    Penn (PBL 4-5) H/P/F (1st qtr P/F
    Pitt (PBL 4) (HP/P/F)
    Stanford (P/F)
    UC Irvine (PBL 2) (HP/P/F)
    UCLA (PBL 2)
    UCSD (PBL 2) (HP/P/F) (1st yr, 1st quarter, P/F)
    UCSF (PBL 3)
    USC (P/F)
    UMich
    UVA (PBL 1) (ABC)
    Vanderbilt (H/HP/P/MP/F (I believe))
    WashU (PBL 1)
    Yale (P/F); (H/P/F Rotations)
     
  23. UCLA2000

    UCLA2000 7+ Year Member

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    adding ucla grading basis...wasn't there.Baylor (PBL 3?) (P/F first semester, H/HP/P/MP/F else)
    Berkeley (PBL 5)
    Case Western (PBL 4) (P/F)
    Columbia (HP/P/F)
    Cornell
    Dartmouth (PBL 1)
    Duke (PBL 2?; grading=H/P/F)
    Harvard
    Howard (PBL 1 & A,B,C)
    Mount Sinai (PBL ?) (P/F); (H/P/F Rotations)
    Northwestern (PBL 4)
    NYU (P/F)
    Penn (PBL 4-5) H/P/F (1st qtr P/F
    Pitt (PBL 4) (HP/P/F)
    Stanford (P/F)
    UC Irvine (PBL 2) (HP/P/F)
    UCLA (PBL 3) (P/F)
    UCSD (PBL 2) (HP/P/F) (1st yr, 1st quarter, P/F)
    UCSF (PBL 3)
    USC (P/F)
    UMich
    UVA (PBL 1) (ABC)
    Vanderbilt (H/HP/P/MP/F (I believe))
    WashU (PBL 1)
    Yale (P/F); (H/P/F Rotations)
     
  24. Wahoo

    Wahoo Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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  25. postbacchus

    postbacchus Senior Member 7+ Year Member

    To me, there seem to be roughly 3 types of programs: Traditional, PBL, and Organ system. Early (first 2 years) clinical experience is also important for me. From my experience, here is what I got from various interviews:

    Tulane - mixed PBL and traditional. H/HP/P/Conditional Pass/F. Decent early patient experience.
    Case Western - Organ system, some PBL. P/NP. Fantastic early pt experience (best I've seen)
    UCSF - Organ sysem, some PBL. P/NP. Good early pt experience.
    UCSD - Traditional. P/NP for first quarter, then P/NP. Some early pt experience.
    Hopkins - Very Traditional. Grades. Limited early pt experience.
     
  26. pre-hawkdoc

    pre-hawkdoc Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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    can anyone make a distinction between traditional grading (ABC...) and modified (H/HP/P...)? as far as i can tell, schools try to pass off modified grading as being less "competitive" than traditional grading schools, but doesn't:
    A=honors
    B=high pass
    C=pass
    D=low pass
    F=fail
    seem to make sense (ie. no different than what we're used to)? just wondering if i'm missing something...
     
  27. tonem

    tonem Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    Hate to quibble but Pitt isn't quite 4 its more like a 3 PBL. H/P/F 1st two years then H/HP/P/LP/F 3rd and 4th year
     
  28. Dylann FMD

    Dylann FMD Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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    Yeah, I hate to quibble too, but Case is definitely not a 4 in PBL. Its very organ system based, but the PBL is more like a 2 or 3. They only really have PBL one or two days a week. It is pass/fail for the first two years, then honors/pass/fail.
     

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