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Hey all,
I’ve been offered acceptances at Rochester and University of Virginia (UVA) and would greatly appreciate any input in helping me decide. Basically, what it comes down to is that I’m fairly certain I’d rather live/be at UVA but I’d rather learn/attend school at Rochester. I’m really outdoorsy and I love that UVA is wicked close to Shenandoah National Park as well as several national forests. However, Rochester is in a (relatively) much larger metro area so I think I’d have more patient contact there. Plus, I prefer Rochester’s curriculum. I’ve included a list of pro’s and cons to further explain.
I’d really appreciate ANY input ya’ll have to offer, especially from current students at either institution.
Rochester
Pros:
· I love their curriculum. I think Rochester’s Double Helix curriculum does a great job of blending the hard science of medicine with the “softer” humanistic side. I’m very intrigued that Rochester claims to be/formulates their curriculum to be the “liberal arts of medical school”
· Rochester eases students into learning medicine. The first 6 weeks are spent doing an Intro to Clinical Medicine and Biostats course. This appeals to me because I’ll have taken two years off by the time I matriculate. I think I’d be setting myself up for success with this more relaxed pace
· The population of Rochester is 200,000 and the metro area is about 1 million (5x more than that of Charlottesville where UVA is). I think I’d have plenty of opportunities for patient contact
· I felt like I gelled with the students at Rochester. However, I realize this might be an artifact of my interview experience because it was my first interview (I was excited and optimistic) and it was early in the interview season (so students more readily approached and were friendly with the interviewees)
· It felt like the faculty were really supportive and prioritized the students
· Rochester is the home of the biopsychosocial model of medicine. I learned about this outlook/methodology during an undergrad Abnormal Psych class and have always wanted to apply it to medicine
· Rochester is a much more dangerous city than Charlottesville and has a larger underserved population. Because of this, I’d definitely see more trauma and interact with patients on the “fringes” of the medical community
· Weird pro but: I went to Burning Man in 2014 and volunteered at the festival’s medical tents. One of the doctors I met there went to Rochester and my interviewer had also gone. Because of this, I feel like Rochester may produce physicians that are more akin to me (this could be totally off-base though)
Cons:
· The weather. I’m not really a fan of cold/the winter but I’m no stranger to it. I grew up in Chicago and went to school in Boston (including during the Snowpocalypse of 2010). So maybe I’m overthinking the climate aspect
· Relatively few outdoor opportunities. I know the Finger Lakes are close by but they’re a relatively small area and I’m not sure how gung-ho I’d be about snowshoesing for half the year
· School and students seem somewhat liberal (not opposed to such views but I don’t want this to be an engrained part of the school’s ethos).
· No recorded lectures
· 2 years pre-clinical: I wouldn’t mind getting on the wards sooner and this will decrease time for electives compared to a school w/ 18 mos preclinical
UVA
Pros:
· Proximity to outdoor opportunities. I know that I’ll be in school and have to focus on studying, but it would be great to live close to the mountains and go for a hike to blow off some steam and reward myself
· 18 mos pre-clinical: get on the wards sooner
· Have student organizations I’d love to join (pre-med mentorship group and Wilderness Medicine Club). No such opportunities exist at Rochester; I could start them but I’d rather have the organizing legwork already done for me
· In the South: I’ve never lived in this region of the country and would like to try it out after living in the Midwest and Northeast. I’ve got family in Georgia and have been camping in Virginia so I already have experienced the area and like it
· They really trust their students. UVA has a pretty incredible Honor Code whereby students can take exams on their own time at home. However, I think this unstructured kind of exam administration might be poor practice for Step 1 (thoughts?)
·
Cons:
· Relatively small population (Charlottesville= 40,000. Charlottesville metro=200K). Is this a big deal though? Is this “enough” people to get ample hands-on experience? The ER at UVA is 40 beds and the ER at Rochester is 140. Rochester also has 30% more inpatient admissions/year. Since UVA is a great hospital, I feel like it would draw a relatively large number of patients seeking treatment for rare diseases, which is interesting but not something I want to pursue. I’d love feedback from students on this.
· I felt like the school was somewhat preppy
· I didn’t feel as great a bond with students but I only met a small handful
· The PBL aspects of the curriculum seem disorganized (thoughts from students?) At Rochester, PBL is done in cloistered small groups of 7-10 people w/ a physician preceptor. At UVA, all the small groups meet in a giant conference room (each group sits @ their own table) and jointly analyzes a case together with all the other groups in the room. I question how much I’d get out of this. Students I spoke with seemed to view the experience as adequate, slightly cumbersome, yet helpful for certain topics. Since this is about 20% of the curriculum, I think this could be an issue
I’d appreciate any input ya’ll have to offer. Thanks so much!
I’ve been offered acceptances at Rochester and University of Virginia (UVA) and would greatly appreciate any input in helping me decide. Basically, what it comes down to is that I’m fairly certain I’d rather live/be at UVA but I’d rather learn/attend school at Rochester. I’m really outdoorsy and I love that UVA is wicked close to Shenandoah National Park as well as several national forests. However, Rochester is in a (relatively) much larger metro area so I think I’d have more patient contact there. Plus, I prefer Rochester’s curriculum. I’ve included a list of pro’s and cons to further explain.
I’d really appreciate ANY input ya’ll have to offer, especially from current students at either institution.
Rochester
Pros:
· I love their curriculum. I think Rochester’s Double Helix curriculum does a great job of blending the hard science of medicine with the “softer” humanistic side. I’m very intrigued that Rochester claims to be/formulates their curriculum to be the “liberal arts of medical school”
· Rochester eases students into learning medicine. The first 6 weeks are spent doing an Intro to Clinical Medicine and Biostats course. This appeals to me because I’ll have taken two years off by the time I matriculate. I think I’d be setting myself up for success with this more relaxed pace
· The population of Rochester is 200,000 and the metro area is about 1 million (5x more than that of Charlottesville where UVA is). I think I’d have plenty of opportunities for patient contact
· I felt like I gelled with the students at Rochester. However, I realize this might be an artifact of my interview experience because it was my first interview (I was excited and optimistic) and it was early in the interview season (so students more readily approached and were friendly with the interviewees)
· It felt like the faculty were really supportive and prioritized the students
· Rochester is the home of the biopsychosocial model of medicine. I learned about this outlook/methodology during an undergrad Abnormal Psych class and have always wanted to apply it to medicine
· Rochester is a much more dangerous city than Charlottesville and has a larger underserved population. Because of this, I’d definitely see more trauma and interact with patients on the “fringes” of the medical community
· Weird pro but: I went to Burning Man in 2014 and volunteered at the festival’s medical tents. One of the doctors I met there went to Rochester and my interviewer had also gone. Because of this, I feel like Rochester may produce physicians that are more akin to me (this could be totally off-base though)
Cons:
· The weather. I’m not really a fan of cold/the winter but I’m no stranger to it. I grew up in Chicago and went to school in Boston (including during the Snowpocalypse of 2010). So maybe I’m overthinking the climate aspect
· Relatively few outdoor opportunities. I know the Finger Lakes are close by but they’re a relatively small area and I’m not sure how gung-ho I’d be about snowshoesing for half the year
· School and students seem somewhat liberal (not opposed to such views but I don’t want this to be an engrained part of the school’s ethos).
· No recorded lectures
· 2 years pre-clinical: I wouldn’t mind getting on the wards sooner and this will decrease time for electives compared to a school w/ 18 mos preclinical
UVA
Pros:
· Proximity to outdoor opportunities. I know that I’ll be in school and have to focus on studying, but it would be great to live close to the mountains and go for a hike to blow off some steam and reward myself
· 18 mos pre-clinical: get on the wards sooner
· Have student organizations I’d love to join (pre-med mentorship group and Wilderness Medicine Club). No such opportunities exist at Rochester; I could start them but I’d rather have the organizing legwork already done for me
· In the South: I’ve never lived in this region of the country and would like to try it out after living in the Midwest and Northeast. I’ve got family in Georgia and have been camping in Virginia so I already have experienced the area and like it
· They really trust their students. UVA has a pretty incredible Honor Code whereby students can take exams on their own time at home. However, I think this unstructured kind of exam administration might be poor practice for Step 1 (thoughts?)
·
Cons:
· Relatively small population (Charlottesville= 40,000. Charlottesville metro=200K). Is this a big deal though? Is this “enough” people to get ample hands-on experience? The ER at UVA is 40 beds and the ER at Rochester is 140. Rochester also has 30% more inpatient admissions/year. Since UVA is a great hospital, I feel like it would draw a relatively large number of patients seeking treatment for rare diseases, which is interesting but not something I want to pursue. I’d love feedback from students on this.
· I felt like the school was somewhat preppy
· I didn’t feel as great a bond with students but I only met a small handful
· The PBL aspects of the curriculum seem disorganized (thoughts from students?) At Rochester, PBL is done in cloistered small groups of 7-10 people w/ a physician preceptor. At UVA, all the small groups meet in a giant conference room (each group sits @ their own table) and jointly analyzes a case together with all the other groups in the room. I question how much I’d get out of this. Students I spoke with seemed to view the experience as adequate, slightly cumbersome, yet helpful for certain topics. Since this is about 20% of the curriculum, I think this could be an issue
I’d appreciate any input ya’ll have to offer. Thanks so much!