Hiding 2nd Undergraduate grades on app?

[jankodejenko]

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I transferred to a UC from a community college. I got a 4.0 at cc but horrible at UC. Has anyone ever not reported their 2nd undergrad (the UC in my case) in order to submit a higher "overall gpa"?

how risky is this


i'm thinking of doing this because i feel like dental schools want "perfect resumes" or would having shown that I went to undergrad college for 6+ yrs (4 for regular Bachelors, +2 yrs for medicine career changer) show my dedication. serious question, thanks

of course i am just trying my best and see where i will get into but this is something i may consider in the future

 

[plusalpha]

I transferred to a UC from a community college. I got a 4.0 at cc but horrible at UC. Has anyone ever not reported their 2nd undergrad (the UC in my case) in order to submit a higher "overall gpa"?

how risky is this


i'm thinking of doing this because i feel like dental schools want "perfect resumes" or would having shown that I went to undergrad college for 6+ yrs (4 for regular Bachelors, +2 yrs for medicine career changer) show my dedication. serious question, thanks

of course i am just trying my best and see where i will get into but this is something i may consider in the future

How "horrible" is your GPA at UC?

 

[jankodejenko]

How "horrible" is your GPA at UC?

like a 2.3 - no sciences

 

[plusalpha]

like a 2.3 - no sciences

And how about with the sciences?

 

[pgex2t]

Since UCs are such large and recognizable institutions, you WILL get found out if you fail to report those grades since schools do run background checks on their accepted students to some degree. I mean, are you going to hide your degree as well? I'm really at a loss to what the plan is here. And if you do get found out at any time during your application cycle/during dental school if by some chance you get accepted, you will most likely get blacklisted from the field. It honestly isn't worth the risk esp. since there is such a low chance of succeeding-not to mention how dishonest it is.

If you are worried about your low GPAs, then you're going to have to figure out what went wrong in your classes and fix the fundamental issues. Ace the DAT and demonstrate an upwards trend to prove that you can handle the dental school curriculum. Even if you get in through the means you mentioned, it honestly won't get any easier in dental school.

 

[Queen Beach]

Very Risky. Don't do it especially if you did earn a bachelor degree from UC. Besides, it makes you who are today, and it's part of your story. If they catch you lying then you won't have a chance at all.

 

[LaughingGas]

Being ethical should be your priority.

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[Scumbag_Steve]

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[FrenchyM.D/D.O]

I wouldn't do this If I were you. Think about all your years of hard work. Everything would go down the drain if you got caught.

 

[JLT223]

lol

 

[darklordzz]

This is really ballsy. You can fib your extracurricular and shadowing hours, but you cannot fib your GPA or DAT. There is a database for everything under your name these days (credit card, financial, criminal, and in this case, academic), so long as you have a social security number, which you presumably do.

There are two stages of the GPA verification process: the first one being conducted by AASDAS. Their main purpose is to confirm that the grades and coursework you entered is equal to those sent by the official transcripts of your institution. This is sometimes why they can take several weeks to update your grades on Academic Status. This isn't the problematic stage. The following stage is: after accepting those that were interviewed, each one of those applicants are thoroughly checked for a criminal background (i.e., did the official report match the facts entered on the student's AASDAS application?), and an academic background - I am not sure if the bigger schools like UCSF or NYU practice this because there are way too many students and their main interest is obviously monetary over the students' best interests. But the point is, they can easily type in your SSN#, and check for any discrepancies between the report printed from the national database and the report sent by AASDAS. If there is ANY sort of discrepancy for WHATEVER reason, you are essentially waiting another cycle to apply, at the VERY LEAST. The schools have a right to blacklist your application for a much longer period of time, if they so please.

My advice is to own up to your shaky start, take an extra set of courses to average out that lower GPA (even re-take) and craft a personal statement that outlines your academic comeback. You may not get into Harvard or UNC, but there will be a school out there that will be more than willing to interview and accept "reinvented" students.

 

[ElenaDDS]

I transferred to a UC from a community college. I got a 4.0 at cc but horrible at UC. Has anyone ever not reported their 2nd undergrad (the UC in my case) in order to submit a higher "overall gpa"?

how risky is this


i'm thinking of doing this because i feel like dental schools want "perfect resumes" or would having shown that I went to undergrad college for 6+ yrs (4 for regular Bachelors, +2 yrs for medicine career changer) show my dedication. serious question, thanks

of course i am just trying my best and see where i will get into but this is something i may consider in the future

I don't think you should apply to dental school at all. This is incredibly unethical and you will get caught. We do not want people like you in our profession because it demeans the image of our profession to have dishonest people in it. You would be a disaster as a dentist. Just reading this disgusts me.

 

[Queen Beach]

Op didn't have a shaky start. His GPA dropped when he transferred to the university. He earned a 4.0 gpa at the cc and 2.3 at the university, so assuming 60 credits (all non science he claims) at each institution .... would that be atleast a 3.0 gpa for his non sciences courses?

This is really ballsy. You can fib your extracurricular and shadowing hours, but you cannot fib your GPA or DAT. There is a database for everything under your name these days (credit card, financial, criminal, and in this case, academic), so long as you have a social security number, which you presumably do.

There are two stages of the GPA verification process: the first one being conducted by AASDAS. Their main purpose is to confirm that the grades and coursework you entered is equal to those sent by the official transcripts of your institution. This is sometimes why they can take several weeks to update your grades on Academic Status. This isn't the problematic stage. The following stage is: after accepting those that were interviewed, each one of those applicants are thoroughly checked for a criminal background (i.e., did the official report match the facts entered on the student's AASDAS application?), and an academic background - I am not sure if the bigger schools like UCSF or NYU practice this because there are way too many students and their main interest is obviously monetary over the students' best interests. But the point is, they can easily type in your SSN#, and check for any discrepancies between the report printed from the national database and the report sent by AASDAS. If there is ANY sort of discrepancy for WHATEVER reason, you are essentially waiting another cycle to apply, at the VERY LEAST. The schools have a right to blacklist your application for a much longer period of time, if they so please.

My advice is to own up to your shaky start, take an extra set of courses to average out that lower GPA (even re-take) and craft a personal statement that outlines your academic comeback. You may not get into Harvard or UNC, but there will be a school out there that will be more than willing to interview and accept "reinvented" students.

 

[schmoob]

Dude, if you are serious about becoming a dentist, do not apply this year. Do your required classwork, get your GPA up and do well on your DATs. Adcoms understand people are human and things happen. If you try to do it your way, it will end very poorly. Think about it this way, if you had a low GPA at UC, even with the small chance you get in to dental school, what makes you think you are ready for the level of work there?
Here's more food for thought: let's say you can fall through the cracks and get into dental school. Then let's say you finish and get your DDS/DMD. If you get caught after the fact they will rescind the degree. Now you are no longer a dentist; a nobody with a buttload of student debt.
Don't do it.

 

[darklordzz]

Op didn't have a shaky start. His GPA dropped when he transferred to the university. He earned a 4.0 gpa at the cc and 2.3 at the university, so assuming 60 credits (all non science he claims) at each institution .... would that be atleast a 3.0 gpa for his non sciences courses?

It should be a tiny bit over 3.0. Either way, this downward trend isn't good, nor the consideration to hide grades - not only for the reputation of dental students and dentists, but for the OP him/herself. Imagine getting caught during the 4th year of dental school, with acceptances to competitive residencies in the bag. No DDS, 4 years gone, 6 figures of debt. Again, reconsider study habits and get back to work. A few extra years now will pay off in the long run. Some of the students at my interview in Alabama were WELL into their 30s.

 

[Yahyaprotein]

Not that im condoning this but I do know a practico y dentist that did this. That went to a cc didn't do well and then transferred to university. When they applied they didn't include their cc classes and they got away with it.

 

[Screwtape]

I transferred to a UC from a community college. I got a 4.0 at cc but horrible at UC. Has anyone ever not reported their 2nd undergrad (the UC in my case) in order to submit a higher "overall gpa"?

how risky is this


i'm thinking of doing this because i feel like dental schools want "perfect resumes" or would having shown that I went to undergrad college for 6+ yrs (4 for regular Bachelors, +2 yrs for medicine career changer) show my dedication. serious question, thanks

of course i am just trying my best and see where i will get into but this is something i may consider in the future

So you would be applying to dental school with only 2 years of coursework at a CC only? If you did not report your 2nd undergrad?

 

[Screwtape]

Not that im condoning this but I do know a practico y dentist that did this. That went to a cc didn't do well and then transferred to university. When they applied they didn't include their cc classes and they got away with it.

Probably pretty easy to get away with if you went to some random CC and still did enough coursework for a degree elsewhere, wouldn't be surprised if this happens more often than people think in all professional schools.

 

[Yahyaprotein]

Probably pretty easy to get away with if you went to some random CC and still did enough coursework for a degree elsewhere, wouldn't be surprised if this happens more often than people think in all professional schools.

I should also mention he didn't go straight to dental school. He completed a smp before he officially got in.

 

[whaleofatale]

I transferred to a UC from a community college. I got a 4.0 at cc but horrible at UC. Has anyone ever not reported their 2nd undergrad (the UC in my case) in order to submit a higher "overall gpa"?

how risky is this


i'm thinking of doing this because i feel like dental schools want "perfect resumes" or would having shown that I went to undergrad college for 6+ yrs (4 for regular Bachelors, +2 yrs for medicine career changer) show my dedication. serious question, thanks

of course i am just trying my best and see where i will get into but this is something i may consider in the future

You will get caught if you do this. Maybe not right away, but the dental schools that you apply to will find out. There are several national databases used by schools to verify student enrollment.

 

[doc toothache]

Budding ethicists.
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/necessary-to-list-post-bacc-classes.1188101/

 

[Queen Beach]

Op you know what you have to do. Get A's for all the science classes. Don't ever discuss your 2.3 unless it comes up (have a well-thought-out story that matches your time line just in case). Your 4.0 is your saving grace for your non science classes. You made the right decision by coming here first. I'm 100% sure you aren't the first & last to think of this or the clearing house would not exist. Get good D.A.T scores.

 

[pikachurro]

I feel like we as a community should just tell all these people to go for it. They should be filtered out anyway.

 

[pgex2t]

I feel like we as a community should just tell all these people to go for it. They should be filtered out anyway.

Yeah...given more thought into it as I was waiting for my tea, this is probably better. My original post was actually "I can't even. Go for it bro."

 

[Queen Beach]

Op, you know how you said, you feel like doing this because it makes you feel like they want a "perfect" resumes.... Guess what? No one is perfect & everyone has problems. Yep, no one has a perfect life.

You will be fine.

 

[northeastbandit]

I transferred to a UC from a community college. I got a 4.0 at cc but horrible at UC. Has anyone ever not reported their 2nd undergrad (the UC in my case) in order to submit a higher "overall gpa"?

how risky is this


i'm thinking of doing this because i feel like dental schools want "perfect resumes" or would having shown that I went to undergrad college for 6+ yrs (4 for regular Bachelors, +2 yrs for medicine career changer) show my dedication. serious question, thanks

of course i am just trying my best and see where i will get into but this is something i may consider in the future

This is very risky move. If you get caught you are likely blackballed from DS admission forever--maybe all grad schools. But logistically if you do omit the UC degree or your 2nd undergrad what are you going to report? The two years you did at a CC? You still need a bachelors, associates won't work. Or are you planning to pursue another bachelors at another school? I.e. CC (good grades), another bachelors (do well) then apply and ghost the other bachelors like it never happened? Curious as to how you would do this.

 

[MahiMahi]

National Student Clearinghouse - they can put your name or SS# right in, and pull up every school you ever attended.

 

[schmoob]

This is very SeanParling of OP....

 

[BioForLife]

This is a terrible idea all around. Ethics aside (which should answer this question anyway), it's extremely risky and there's a good chance your past grades will be found out. Even if you do manage to get admitted, there's always a chance you could be discovered at some point while you're enrolled and be expelled or have your degree revoked after all your hard work. Don't do it!

 

[pgex2t]

This is very SeanParling of OP....

I understood that reference! Who else remembers Frank?!

 

[Scumbag_Steve]

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[Cello]

I am disappointed by how many posters here think that this is even an idea to be considered.

You will be caught. I was asked about a concurrent enrollment course I took in high school (in 2002) and had completely forgotten about! I had to contact the affiliated university and get a copy of my transcript to submit to AADSAS. My grade was good, so it didn't look like I was trying to hide anything luckily...

If you would consider hiding something like this intentionally, I wonder what you will hide as a dentist. Schools will wonder the same thing, and don't think that schools don't communicate.