High paying specialties????

[NRAI2001]

People always assume that doctors are overpaid and are millionaires, but from my experience this isn't true, but is there any speciality in medicine where someone can make over or close to a million a year?

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[doc05]

you could potentially make a mill in most specialties (except peds), but that is not the norm in any specialty.

 

[Scytale911]

I see that in US it appears that med community have a financial issue!! Here in France they always say that practicians are underpayed and work harder than other job but when you compare to highly qualified engeneers, who work 60 hours a week and make approximatively as much money as doctors, you're sick and tired of med students (=sons and daughters of doctors) wiening about the wage because they are the only students of the school to own their appartment (not renting) and have their own cars (for example some audi A3!!)
So I am from middle class, I've a scolarship and I couldn't have afford my med studies without it so plz no more complain about doctors salary.

If you want numbers I'd say annual wage is around 80 000$ (60 000 euros for GP, 20 000 or 30000 more for a specialist) and radiologists make 150 000$ a year (max)
Medium salary in french population is around 15 000$......see my point

 

[jcfly21]

Well that is why i am proud to be an American, because if you look at any job listings in USA for radiologist the average "starting" salary is 300,000 USD with a potential partner track and income of 500,000 USD a year. Now if you look on this web page you will see that cardiovascular surgeons earn an annual of about 800,000 average after you have been in practice for awhile. The Neurosurgeon that i know very well here in florida makes well over a million a year, but he also is doing an average of 3 surgeries 5 days a week. So dont go to france and practice if your in it for the money. The money is out there, it just depends on how much you want to work. If you want a 9 to 5. You'll do great, anyone who cant live well on 300,000 a year is nuts! But if you bust your ass and live at the office/hospital, you can easily pull down a million a year. Although the only one that will ever see that money is the bank, because you will be at work all the time!

 

[efex101]

I was also under the impression that road to become a physician here is longer than in Europe..also most medical schools in Europe are nowhere near as expensive as here right? I also know of many physicians in Europe making a lot of $$$$ yeah they work during the day for socialized medicine and then rack up the mula at night with their own private practice..

 

[Scytale911]

Yeah doctors who work at public hospitals can have tax-free clinical examinations like they r in a private practice and they charge twice than an ordinary specialized doctor

For the way of life, here in France you don't pay to study at the university, it's rent, food, books you have to pay. 500 000$ a year in the us is a very good wage but in comparision in France 100K$ a year is exceptionnal and only lawyers or doctors can make that money (politics and other minor jobs)
Currently our surgeons (well-paid) threaten the government to high up surgical acts or else they leave for England, the movement (a few thousand) had to go to a Paris Rail Station to go to England and they were actually only a hundred!!

ahhhhhhhh the French!!

 

[LADoc00]

Yeah doctors who work at public hospitals can have tax-free clinical examinations like they r in a private practice and they charge twice than an ordinary specialized doctor

For the way of life, here in France you don't pay to study at the university, it's rent, food, books you have to pay. 500 000$ a year in the us is a very good wage but in comparision in France 100K$ a year is exceptionnal and only lawyers or doctors can make that money (politics and other minor jobs)
Currently our surgeons (well-paid) threaten the government to high up surgical acts or else they leave for England, the movement (a few thousand) had to go to a Paris Rail Station to go to England and they were actually only a hundred!!

ahhhhhhhh the French!!

Dude, French medicine sucks donkey nuts. I could get better medical care at an American hospital in Dubai!!

 

[Scytale911]

No you are overeacting, medical community complain about working conditions, salary because they don't see outside world because they stay with each other, mate with each other, married with each other so they can't have a look at the big picture!! It's like teachers and their 15hours weeks

I can tell you doctors have a wealthy life (big houses, german cars, .....)

 

[Mirror Form]

No you are overeacting, medical community complain about working conditions, salary because they don't see outside world because they stay with each other, mate with each other, married with each other so they can't have a look at the big picture!! It's like teachers and their 15hours weeks

I can tell you doctors have a wealthy life (big houses, german cars, .....)

Your outlook is immature and just downright naive. There are many factors that should be taken into account when determining what to pay somebody. You take into account things like: hours worked, time and cost of education, supply and demand, what that that person could make elsewhere, etc. To just compare somebody's salary to the national average for all jobs is silly.

Most legitimate studies into physician's pay have shown that as a whole doctors are somewhat under paid. For example, one study looked at college students who went to medical school, and other college students with similiar numbers (test scores, gpa's) but who went into business, law, or some other field instead. They found that physicians made less then other professionals that had similiar college resume's.

Of course pay varies greatly from specialty to specialty though. However, the radiologists making 500k per year are definitely not representative of what most doctors make.

 

[NRAI2001]

I see that in US it appears that med community have a financial issue!! Here in France they always say that practicians are underpayed and work harder than other job but when you compare to highly qualified engeneers, who work 60 hours a week and make approximatively as much money as doctors, you're sick and tired of med students (=sons and daughters of doctors) wiening about the wage because they are the only students of the school to own their appartment (not renting) and have their own cars (for example some audi A3!!)
So I am from middle class, I've a scolarship and I couldn't have afford my med studies without it so plz no more complain about doctors salary.

If you want numbers I'd say annual wage is around 80 000$ (60 000 euros for GP, 20 000 or 30000 more for a specialist) and radiologists make 150 000$ a year (max)
Medium salary in french population is around 15 000$......see my point

Money isnt everything, but to say it has no factor at all is really stupid. If the medical industry wasn't so well reimbursed there would be less incentive for many people to work hard and to bring about all the technological advances we enjoy today. With most of those advances coming from the US (not France...).

 

[bigfrank]

This is actually the first thread I've encountered with a whiney French person. I knew it would happen, I just didn't know when.

 

[LADoc00]

This is actually the first thread I've encountered with a whiney French person. I knew it would happen, I just didn't know when.

And his/her English sucks!!

TO Frenchie: Go eat a croissant and be happy you have job at all in that neo-communist Euro "paradise" you all created!

 

[cammy1313]

I see that in US it appears that med community have a financial issue!! Here in France they always say that practicians are underpayed and work harder than other job but when you compare to highly qualified engeneers, who work 60 hours a week and make approximatively as much money as doctors, you're sick and tired of med students (=sons and daughters of doctors) wiening about the wage because they are the only students of the school to own their appartment (not renting) and have their own cars (for example some audi A3!!)
So I am from middle class, I've a scolarship and I couldn't have afford my med studies without it so plz no more complain about doctors salary.

If you want numbers I'd say annual wage is around 80 000$ (60 000 euros for GP, 20 000 or 30000 more for a specialist) and radiologists make 150 000$ a year (max)
Medium salary in french population is around 15 000$......see my point

This is called socialized medicine. It's why it only pays to be a doctor in this country. However, we also go into insane amounts of debt to reach that money-making point so pick your poison I suppose.

 

[Jinyaoysiu]

And his/her English sucks!!

TO Frenchie: Go eat a croissant and be happy you have job at all in that neo-communist Euro "paradise" you all created!

His/Her English "sucks"? Mr. "be happy you have job at all" I don't think you should be the one making that comment. At least his/her English is good enough to get his/her point accross in his/her non-native language.

I hope you have a 2nd personality that comes out when you talk to your patients. Otherwise, based on your attitude expressed in your response, I would never choose you as my doctor. In fact, I would greatly appreciate it if you could identify yourself and do the society a favor so people could make better informed decisions in choosing their doctors in the future.

 

[emusibay]

Leave the French guy alone. Doctors should stay focused on helping patients rather than the house and Hummer they'll be able to afford after their schooling. While all members of society are concerned with obtaining an adequate income, the primary role of the physician in society is to use medical knowledge for the sake of patients. I have a problem with this and other threads that focus high paid specialties and doctor's salaries. If you love what you're doing the compensation will be more than adequate, so practice a specialty you know you'll enjoy! The money will follow if you're good and passionate about what you do.

 

[Scytale911]

Thank you there're some angry person in this forum, I'm used to because with no reason a US marine started to insult me and to write propaganda in a football fan forum (iraq matters)

Some of you don't seem to understand my point of view which simply is doctors don't make less money than other high-qualified jobs such as engineers or lawyers, especially in France where they count intern years (7-8-9 or plus) as study years whereas they are not because you continue to learn, have some lectures from time to time and most of it you're at the hospital. My brother who works in a bank and competed a national top3 engineering school have also lectures within his society but does not bother everyone with them!!

Regarding the responsabilities, I assure you that an engineer in charge of a project or a lawyer have their responsabilities and must deal with to.

Finally for my english you morron I went to the US three times with no difficulties at all, the day you learn to say anything else than croissant or bonjour you call me......

 

[ice_23]

Your outlook is immature and just downright naive. There are many factors that should be taken into account when determining what to pay somebody. You take into account things like: hours worked, time and cost of education, supply and demand, what that that person could make elsewhere, etc. To just compare somebody's salary to the national average for all jobs is silly.

Most legitimate studies into physician's pay have shown that as a whole doctors are somewhat under paid. For example, one study looked at college students who went to medical school, and other college students with similiar numbers (test scores, gpa's) but who went into business, law, or some other field instead. They found that physicians made less then other professionals that had similiar college resume's.

Of course pay varies greatly from specialty to specialty though. However, the radiologists making 500k per year are definitely not representative of what most doctors make.

To the Frenchman: Please reread this quote above. When regarding someone's pay, from an economics perspective, it matters not that it is "worse" for other people (i.e. comparing it to the average median salary of the country as a whole) nearly as much as what the opportunity cost of being a doctor is.

Given that the other options for individuals training to be doctors (i.e. law, business, etc.) now have a higher rate of return in terms of income, it would seem that doctors are underpaid.

Med students harping on this issue are not whining, but instead pointing out what should happen in a market economy. And in this country, if you don't say anything about an issue you care about people will take advantage of you until you crumble. I guess the squeaky wheel always gets the grease.

-Ice

 

[ice_23]

Leave the French guy alone. Doctors should stay focused on helping patients rather than the house and Hummer they'll be able to afford after their schooling. While all members of society are concerned with obtaining an adequate income, the primary role of the physician in society is to use medical knowledge for the sake of patients. I have a problem with this and other threads that focus high paid specialties and doctor's salaries. If you love what you're doing the compensation will be more than adequate, so practice a specialty you know you'll enjoy! The money will follow if you're good and passionate about what you do.

While its true that most doctors don't starve, your last statement is not accurate. I've met many a bleeding heart person struggling to make it financially.

There is this prevailing belief (which I think contributes to the increasingly lower pay doctors receive) amongst the public and future doctors that salary should not be a significant consideration when choosing to go to medical school. Understand that income is THE SINGLE MOST important factor in determining whether people train for a specific job or not. Don't kid yourself into thinking that medicine is any different in that regard. It's a job.

-Ice

 

[Mutterkuchen]

Med students harping on this issue are not whining, but instead pointing out what should happen in a market economy. And in this country, if you don't say anything about an issue you care about people will take advantage of you until you crumble. I guess the squeaky wheel always gets the grease.

-Ice

The U.S. medical community is anything but a market economy. For example why are there only around 100 derm spots every year? Have you ever tried to get a derm appointment? The wait times are 3 months. No, the U.S. medical community is a tightly managed system, which limits the number of physicians to keep salaries artificially high.

Unfortunately our system of "unbelievable new technology" is not sustainable. Insurance is very expensive and is growing in double digits every year. Company's which once provided good insurance are pushing more costs on to employees, because the costs are getting so huge. The U.S. medical system is very good for the 2/3 of the population that have decent insurance. It sucks for the rest.

 

[brightblueeyes]

Dude, French medicine sucks donkey nuts. I could get better medical care at an American hospital in Dubai!!

I have no reason to think an American hospital in Dubai would have to be bad; but as for French Medicine "sucking donkey nuts"...

I don't think there's any other country that even comes close to spending as much on research as the US and I think countries like France need to get their act together and spend less on social programs (among other things, France spends too much on education) and more on research.

But at the same time, those posters who dismiss all French research really should take a closer look at their course notes. Despite their lack of funding, French researchers have made significant contributions in several areas of Medicine. Just look at Immunology.

It is easy to find a lot of things to criticize about France but Medicine is a field the French have traditionally excelled in. It wasn't that long ago that their med schools were considered the best in the world for clinical training. So, French Medicine probably doesn't "suck donkey nuts."

 

[ice_23]

The U.S. medical community is anything but a market economy. For example why are there only around 100 derm spots every year? Have you ever tried to get a derm appointment? The wait times are 3 months. No, the U.S. medical community is a tightly managed system, which limits the number of physicians to keep salaries artificially high.

Unfortunately our system of "unbelievable new technology" is not sustainable. Insurance is very expensive and is growing in double digits every year. Company's which once provided good insurance are pushing more costs on to employees, because the costs are getting so huge. The U.S. medical system is very good for the 2/3 of the population that have decent insurance. It sucks for the rest.

This is true; I was arguing for simplicity for the original poster. However, even if you are arguing that this is one of a supply restricted economy, wages should not be decreasing. Insurance IS expensive; but insurance is a for-profit business.

Additionally, demand for most medical services is incredibly inelastic (how much would you pay for emergency care? What about necessary heart surgery for your child? Etc.). It is difficult to imagine that if we allowed a true market without supply restricution but also without malpractice insurance and reimbursement rate cutting to occur, that doctors' salaries would still be decreasing.

-Ice

 

[ddmo]

in France 100K$ a year is exceptionnal

Ha, you can be damn sure I wouldn't be doing this to make an exceptional 100k a year. Not only that, but the prices are sky high over there. No wonder everyone and his brother is knocking down the american residency doors.

 

[brightblueeyes]

in France 100K$ a year is exceptionnal

Ha, you can be damn sure I wouldn't be doing this to make an exceptional 100k a year.

The $100K that Scytale911 refers to is exceptional compared to a typical French workers' salary...not compared to other French physicians and surgeons. This is the average for those in Family Medicine who are paid less than most specialists, especially surgeons.

No wonder everyone and his brother is knocking down the american residency doors.

You're right to think that many French doctors are upset with how low the government keeps their salaries. But most seem to want to reform their system rather than emigrate to the US. Some of you underestimate how much some people would prefer to live in France than in the US.

Frankly, the French healthcare system seems surprisingly efficient and comprehensive. They spend even less per capita on healthcare than Canada and yet don't seem to have many of the problems that plague Canadian healthcare.

Perhaps it would be a good idea to borrow some ideas from the French model...just so long as there are safeguards in place to ensure that physician and surgeon compensation is maintained at a high level...or maybe even increased. After all, if the French spent anywhere near as much of their taxes on healthcare as in the US, there would be so much money left over that doctors' salaries could easily be increased well beyond what they are in the US. (All the while maintaining universal, comprehensive coverage.)

Also, if any of you are attacking Scytale911 for political reasons, you might want to consider that most French people seem to like Americans and see the US as a source of many good ideas, especially in business. Most of the parisians I know seem blissfully unaware of how much many Americans would dislike them simply for being French.

 

[efex101]

France has such a great system that a couple of years back about 14,000 people died from a heat wave that hit Europe. Many deaths were attributed to this "great" health care system...here is the link

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2003-09-25-france-heat_x.htm

Everyone is always raving about socialized medicine yet I do not see many folks that actually lived under said system here on SDN..most of the lovers are folks that have NEVER experienced it..until you have actually lived it you have no clue about the downfalls of it. All healthcare systems "could" improve and become better but to say that the US would do well under socialized medicine is ludicrous. We have a huge population and it would almost impossible to get enough tax payer money to support it...we would have to get taxed a TON. Most countries with socialized healthcare are small (population wise) and hence can do it this way *but* most that can afford it go the private insurance route.

 

[brightblueeyes]

France has such a great system that a couple of years back about 14,000 people died from a heat wave that hit Europe. Many deaths were attributed to this "great" health care system...here is the link

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2003-09-25-france-heat_x.htm

Yes. But all the so-called healthcare problems that this report refers to seem to revolve around most doctors taking August off. Anyone who knows anything about France should know that the 20% figure quoted by the National General Practitioners Union is a conservative estimate. (They're just trying to stave off badly needed reforms and save face.) Going on vacation in August is a deeply entrenched French tradition and this needs to change. But to use this as a barometer to discredit all French healthcare is laughable.

Everyone is always raving about socialized medicine yet I do not see many folks that actually lived under said system here on SDN..most of the lovers are folks that have NEVER experienced it..until you have actually lived it you have no clue about the downfalls of it.

This is a good point. However, some of us are familiar with one or more other systems and still feel that they have some advantages over the current American system. (I think some of these other systems are underfunded though.)

All healthcare systems "could" improve and become better but to say that the US would do well under socialized medicine is ludicrous. We have a huge population and it would almost impossible to get enough tax payer money to support it...we would have to get taxed a TON. Most countries with socialized healthcare are small (population wise) and hence can do it this way *but* most that can afford it go the private insurance route.

Why is it that so many people who want to discredit healthcare reform immediately label it "socialized" Medicine? Why not just label it "more efficient" Medicine? After all, Americans already spend far, far more of their taxes on healthcare than the French do. (French taxes are high but this is because of the hundreds of other programs they fund...certainly not because of their healthcare.) Frankly, it's the American system that is more bureaucratic...not the French. So, instead of being taxed more, you could actually be taxed less. And if done properly doctors could have an even bigger voice in healthcare implementation, not less. (This would be important to ensure compensation was maintained or improved.)

And as for the argument that other systems couldn't possibly work in the US because it's just too darn big: Why is it that economies of scale seem to work just fine in other countries but would somehow be reversed if applied to the US?

 

[emusibay]

I personally think socialized medicine is not the complete answer; it has been proven over and over again in countries across the globe. However, there should be some level of minimum coverage subsidized by the government, in my opinion. There is nothing wrong, for example, with having a healthcare system with some elements of for-profit and socialized medicine. Some of us have to get away from thinking socialized medicine=communism=bad. Like anything in life, there are pros and cons and lessons to take away from any endeavor-- however maligned by any one political party or political figure.

That said, I am of the opinion that in addition to our direct patient care responsibilities, we also have a role to play as leaders in the future direction of health care in our country. If a doctor is priveliged enough to practice in the US he/she, for example, why should they not have to accept a fixed percentage of medicaid/medicare/state subsidized healthcare patients in their practice? Currently those on medicaid are forced to wait months for surgeries and certain other specialized procedures because many physicians refuse to deal with the (admittedly) bureaucratic and cumbersome medicaid payment system. Afterall, some argue, why accept medicaid, or even health insurance when the wealthy will pay double or triple the amount in cash and without the hassle of a third party?

I don't believe underpriveliged men, women, and children without healthcare, however, should pay the ultimate price of sickness, pain, and death. Don't we all take the hippocratic oath at some point in our medical careers? Perhaps I am overly idealistic in a society that measures success by salary..

 

[superdevil]

There is this prevailing belief (which I think contributes to the increasingly lower pay doctors receive) amongst the public and future doctors that salary should not be a significant consideration when choosing to go to medical school. Understand that income is THE SINGLE MOST important factor in determining whether people train for a specific job or not. Don't kid yourself into thinking that medicine is any different in that regard. It's a job.

thank f*cking god there are a few rational people on SDN with some perspective and common sense. some of these bleeding hearts are turning into psychopathic ultra-christians ("if it feels good, its wrong," "do things without thinking about money, or else feel great shame.")

Origianlly Posted by brightblueeyes
Why is it that so many people who want to discredit healthcare reform immediately label it "socialized" Medicine? Why not just label it "more efficient" Medicine?

i think you're (purposely?) trying to confuse the issue. a lot of hypothetical healthcare plans on SDN are government-controlled, single-payer socialized medicine. if its "socialized" then we should call it "socialized". some of course, are not--so adding the "socialized" label is misleading and inaccurate. however, if your solution is to re-label hypothetical healthcare plans as "more efficient" medicine, then aren't you guilty of the same crime (i.e. renaming things to make them sound good/bad/whatever)?

Originally Posted by JBJ
Company's which once provided good insurance are pushing more costs on to employees, because the costs are getting so huge. The U.S. medical system is very good for the 2/3 of the population that have decent insurance. It sucks for the rest.

oh boy. look, i'm pretty sure 99.999% of SDNers pretend what i'm about to say isn't true, but i may as well waste my time and type it anyway. its not like medical costs have gone up 1000-fold in the past 7-8 years, but in that same time, insurance companies are really putting the squeeze on John Q. American. one reason for that is the irresponsible investments these dingus companies made in the 1990s. when they were raking in the money, there was less of a need to screw their customers. then, when the tech-bubble burst ~2000 and those same insurance companies lost their asses, they simply passed the financial hardship onto you and i. after all, corporate CEO salaries should stay in the 8-figure range, even when a company is losing money, shouldn't they?

this phenomenon isn't just regarding health insurance, but its what we're all talking about, so i went with it. i guess what i'm trying to say is that companies aren't just screwing us because of rising health costs (hell, they used to pay them, after all), they're trying to maintain a healthy bottom line that they sullied with their own greed and irresponsibilty. if the stock market hadn't gone in the toilet, would these debates be as frequent?

anyone care to dissent/argue/attack me? let's hear it!

 

[Nma]

People always assume that doctors are overpaid and are millionaires, but from my experience this isn't true, but is there any speciality in medicine where someone can make over or close to a million a year?

#1 Cosmetic Surgery
#2 Cosmetic Surgery
#3 Cosmetic Surgery

 

[LADoc00]

#1 Cosmetic Surgery
#2 Cosmetic Surgery
#3 Cosmetic Surgery

Wrong.

The only one speciality consistently doing 1+ million in gross revenue is Spinal Ortho.

Rads/Neurosurgery occasionally dip into the low 7 figures, but thats the top 5% of earners.

Cosmetics are averaging less, much less from the data Ive seen. But of course with a cash and carry business, they are likely hiding a ton from the IRS. Smart muthas.

 

[Nma]

And his/her English sucks!!

!

And so freaking what!
Atleast he's bilingual (or more)!
I bet u can't even speak an atom of French so don't even go there!

it's not a must that you have to have a polished english language.
Some countries don't even regard the english language, making you seem like a complete joke in China or even in France.

 

[Nma]

But of course with a cash and carry business, they are likely hiding a ton from the IRS. Smart muthas.

Trust me! They make close to or well over a million a year.
The CS business (as i call it), isn't as recorded or tracked as the regular medical practice.

Surely, you don't expect them to list all the money they made on file do ya?

 

[Dr. Donkey]

What about Spinal Neurosurgeons? Wouldn't they make basically the same if not more than Spinal orthos?

Wrong.

The only one speciality consistently doing 1+ million in gross revenue is Spinal Ortho.

Rads/Neurosurgery occasionally dip into the low 7 figures, but thats the top 5% of earners.

 

[efex101]

Socialized healthcare (or whatever you want to name it) is *not* more efficient, I grew up under such system in Spain. Obviously I cannot comment on the Canadian/Australian/whatever country system *but* why do so many Canadians cross the border to the US for healthcare? obviously the more efficient system is not cutting it for many folks. Also, please be truthful about this type of healthcare and make sure that people know that NOT all patients are treated the same. I have seen this myself, if you are elderly/or the very very young they do NOT get ALL possible treatment. Trust me, my father died *waiting* for an oncologist at a hospital in Madrid and no he was not 80 years old but a young 60+. Treatments are often witheld as well as information regarding treatments to those past 55. Where do they draw the line? who knows probably the government has some say so. There is NO perfect system but to say that socialized medicine is the "best" is pure bull****. People wait YEARS for tests and often times hospitals are way understaffed specially during the summer and weekend months. Sure if you are young and healthy this system is great for physical checkups and preventive measure but forget it if you are serioulsy ill. Also, take your happy selves to go see some of these hospitals...awful.

 

[pratik7]

if done properly doctors could have an even bigger voice in healthcare implementation, not less.

And when has the government done anything properly or cost effectively

 

[ice_23]

And when has the government done anything properly or cost effectively

This is a very good point. The odds are that any single payer system would be chronically underfunded. Just look at public education.

-Ice

 

[NRAI2001]

When did this thread become a thread about socialized medicine????

 

[superdevil]

When did this thread become a thread about socialized medicine????

please see the frenchman's first reply. let's face it, a thread like this didn't have much time before some pompous SDNer did some finger-wagging and scolding.

 

[brightblueeyes]

please see the frenchman's first reply. let's face it, a thread like this didn't have much time before some pompous SDNer did some finger-wagging and scolding.

I think the French student you referred to posted in good faith and hoped to add something useful to the thread. However, I took the thread off topic with my posts and I apologize.

I think most of us want the same thing--good, sustainable healthcare--but have different concerns about how things could go (or perhaps are going) off track.

Good luck with the original question.

 

[YouDontKnowJack]

yes. screw the IRS. and SHOW ME THE MONEY.


ok sorry. useless post. i just love these money threads, cuz i'm in this for the money.

 

[NRAI2001]

If you say u don't care about the money ur either fooling urself or ur once of those overly optimistic premeds. Like everything in life u should chose a career with balance. You need a career that provides u with satisfaction financially and mentally.

 

[ForbiddenComma]

Well, you know what they say... the top 5% of the med school class become dermatologists. The next 5% become radiologists. The rest become actual doctors. (I jest!)

Of course, I care about the money. Everyone does, especially with all those loans to be paid off. I want to live comfortably, provide for my eventual family, and all that. But I'm not going to med school to be rich. There are better fields than this if money is all you're after. For instance, you certainly do not need an MD to be an exec with an insurance firm, hospital chain or drug company...

 

[Scytale911]

It's also pretty hard to become an exec in insurance firms, financial societies or drug dealers

 

[Blue Scrub]

Wrong.

The only one speciality consistently doing 1+ million in gross revenue is Spinal Ortho.

Rads/Neurosurgery occasionally dip into the low 7 figures, but thats the top 5% of earners.

Cosmetics are averaging less, much less from the data Ive seen. But of course with a cash and carry business, they are likely hiding a ton from the IRS. Smart muthas.

Im guessing here, but wouldnt Spinal Ortho malpractice be super high, and they still pull 1mil+? As opposed to Cosmetic Surgery, where insurance doesnt even cover procedures, so its all straight cash for the doctor?

 

[Dr. Donkey]

This was in response to the post about neurosurgeons and then ortho spinal. Anyone have any idea? Curious, thanks.

What about Spinal Neurosurgeons? Wouldn't they make basically the same if not more than Spinal orthos?

 

[YouDontKnowJack]

It's also pretty hard to become an exec in insurance firms, financial societies or drug dealers

and that is why i went into medicine. at least i'm pretty much guaranteed to be a doctor. whereas my chances of becoming an insurance executive are worse than the odds of the California lotto.

 

[Ross434]

and that is why i went into medicine. at least i'm pretty much guaranteed to be a doctor. whereas my chances of becoming an insurance executive are worse than the odds of the California lotto.

Well, not really. The chances of winning that thing are like, 1 in 900 billion. The chances of becoming an insurance exec (randomly chosen) are probably 1 in 30,000. Your odds are higher than average for becoming an exec, given that you're motivated.

 

[YouDontKnowJack]

Well, not really. The chances of winning that thing are like, 1 in 900 billion. The chances of becoming an insurance exec (randomly chosen) are probably 1 in 30,000. Your odds are higher than average for becoming an exec, given that you're motivated.

ok. lemme put it another way. i can keep dreaming about becoming an exec for decades, and still not get the position.
there's that glass ceiling for minorities..... i'd say that would feel like 1/900 billion.

 

[Premedtomed]

ok. lemme put it another way. i can keep dreaming about becoming an exec for decades, and still not get the position.
there's that glass ceiling for minorities..... i'd say that would feel like 1/900 billion.

Depends from minority to minority.

Pepsi's CFO is a female and Indian

 

[NRAI2001]

Well, not really. The chances of winning that thing are like, 1 in 900 billion. The chances of becoming an insurance exec (randomly chosen) are probably 1 in 30,000. Your odds are higher than average for becoming an exec, given that you're motivated.

Anyother useless pedantic statistics?

 

[Ross434]

Anyother useless pedantic statistics?

Statistics show that retail sales in rural areas of china rose 9.9% during the first three quarters of 2004