Hiring a PA or NP for new pain clinic

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Hey everyone, I recently started a pain practice working for a large multispecialty group, and I am now getting to the point where i think I need some more help in clinic. I'm seeing like 20-25 patients per day, maybe 1/3 of which are new. I am also doing about 20 fluoro guided procedures per week, getting rather busy. I don't see how my clinic can continue seeing new patients without a PA or NP. Every month i take on 10 new opioid patients who need routine follow up and monitoring, so over time I'll be inundated with these refill patients.

First off, I'm leaning toward a PA over an NP. What are the pros/cons of PA vs NP? Other than that, how should this be structured? I'm paid based on wRVU, and I anticipate increasing my clinic volume by about 50% to maybe a total of 40 patients per day with me and the PA combined. If this is the case, I'm taking on a lot more risk and should be compensated imo.

What are your thoughts on PA vs NP? I could also ask them to just bring on another pain doc as a partner but that won't really make my life easier I don't think...

Thanks for the suggestions!

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The midlevel won’t make your life easier. You aren’t full and if you start to get full stop taking med mgmt patients.
 
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Should I try to push my practice in the direction of more procedures less med management? I can do that, but the group that hired me (100+ doctors) brought me on because the other pain docs in the community were not doing med management. More than 50% of the doctors in the group are primary care and they want someone who will do more than just epidurals / RFA / stims. There's a ton of patients who need access, and if I don't see them, they will probably need to hire another pain doctor or two.

I'm not against that, but why not just have my PA see the routine follow ups, and I'll still have more injections, more OR time and slightly less clinic...
 
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All a midlevel will accomplish is getting your total pill count prescribed into the stratosphere twice as fast.
 
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It is a lot more brutal seeing 25 and being on the hook for 20 more your PA is seeing but not getting paid anything.
 
Doesn't the PA's visits get billed under my NPI and added to my wRVU count if I am available to see the patients?
 
No. They get billed under their own npi and added to their own wrvu production typically.
 
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Doesn't the PA's visits get billed under my NPI and added to my wRVU count if I am available to see the patients?
Variable, but usually what Dr. Bob said. Our system pays specialists a stipend for supervising a PA... something ridiculous like $10k/year. (I don't have one)
 
Don't sell out the profession by employing and training midlevels. See them yourself. If too busy, hire another physician.
 
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You were hired to be the drug dealer for the PCPs as a quid pro quo for getting interventional procedures. You will soon become overwhelmed with opioid patients who will refuse or are not otherwise eligible for interventional procedures, and will be stuck with a large population of patients that are frequently spiraling out of control. The absolute irony in all of this is that some of those 100 doctors that hired you will continue to refer patients to other pain physicians for interventional pain procedures. The NP or PA will be useful to you only if they can prescribe opioids without your signature, but being linked to your name either in a supervisory role or collaborative role, places your medical license and DEA registration at risk when your practice becomes the largest prescriber of opioids in the area or one of the top prescribers in the state.
 
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I cleaned up the mess of about 20 area PCPs when I started. I can’t imagine doing that for 100. It is not possible.
 
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There is one way to survive this situation; refuse to write for opioids
1) period, at all
or
2) unless YOU initiate them (which may be never, or for malignant pain issues only. You would need to make this very clear to the organization)

You will get tremendous pushback from your employer. However, you need to tell them you cannot run a clinic being a refill monkey for 100 PCPs.

More importantly to the Admin, you cannot crank out procedures being a refill monkey for 100 PCPs. They need to see how much money they will be loosing since you are writing prescriptions instead of doing procedures.

Once they see the money they are loosing, they will support you.

Also, what algos said is very true; the PCPs will send plenty of patients out of system regardless. Up to you which patients you get from them.
 
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The NP or PA will be useful to you only if they can prescribe opioids without your signature, but being linked to your name either in a supervisory role or collaborative role, places your medical license and DEA registration at risk when your practice becomes the largest prescriber of opioids in the area or one of the top prescribers in the state.

How does supervisory or collaborative role put you at risk, when you are not the prescribing physician? If it does, then having extra 5-10K, is it worth?
 
Anytime you collaborate or supervise a midlevel, medical malpractice liability falls on the deepest pocket. Licensure and registration actions also fall on the physician due to dereliction of duty to supervise. Nursing boards rarely take actions against NPs for overprescribing or out of control prescribing since they believe they do not have to operate using the same standards as a physician. If a physician owns the practice it is even worse.
 
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I agree with what algosdoc has been saying. That and PAs (in my state at least) cant even write for controlled substances until they have a certain # of hrs worked or time lapsed since graduating from school. I don’t like all these “NP only” practices popping up either. So I am a bigger proponent of hiring another doctor, rather than training up a Midlevel for them to leave and claim they can practice solo...
I have never liked the thought of taking responsibility for someone else’s work (esp when it comes to prescribing controlled substances) when I cant check behind them. With the litiginous society we work in, Im just not comfortable with the idea, would just rather do my own work and when overwhelmed, its time for another doc who can do all their own work and take all their own responsibility.
 
Interesting, this gives me a lot to think about. I don't ever feel pressure to take over prescribing opioids written by PCP. Most of the time they are on reasonable doses of one Norco or one tramadol per day in a little old lady with severe pain. And I only sometimes take over prescribing.

If I was to have a PA, i would have a written policy that there would be no escalation of dosing or initiation of opioid therapy done by the PA without me seeing the patient and signing off on it.

And regarding NPs starting their own clinic, that is precisely why I will not work with an NP. The group already suggested an NP and I vetoed...
 
Wise choice. Perhaps the times are changing. The prescriptions being written seem to be much less in quantity and dosage since the 2016 CDC Guidelines and the number of prescriptions has fallen to 2008 levels.
 
Typically you can get a small percentage of the wRVUs your mid level would generate. It’s not much though and not worth it for the money alone.

Never let the mid level be the one determining who gets started on opioids. See all the new patient yourself. You need to be the one who decides who gets opioids.

Preferably the mid level assists in seeing post injection patients or those who are getting non opioid med management only.

Hiring another doc is probably not feasible since your group may not want to incur the expenses of another physician. If they will... you have to decide. The other physician may not practice the way you do...
 
Hey everyone, I recently started a pain practice working for a large multispecialty group, and I am now getting to the point where i think I need some more help in clinic. I'm seeing like 20-25 patients per day, maybe 1/3 of which are new. I am also doing about 20 fluoro guided procedures per week, getting rather busy. I don't see how my clinic can continue seeing new patients without a PA or NP. Every month i take on 10 new opioid patients who need routine follow up and monitoring, so over time I'll be inundated with these refill patients.

First off, I'm leaning toward a PA over an NP. What are the pros/cons of PA vs NP? Other than that, how should this be structured? I'm paid based on wRVU, and I anticipate increasing my clinic volume by about 50% to maybe a total of 40 patients per day with me and the PA combined. If this is the case, I'm taking on a lot more risk and should be compensated imo.

What are your thoughts on PA vs NP? I could also ask them to just bring on another pain doc as a partner but that won't really make my life easier I don't think...

Thanks for the suggestions!


I've been in practice for 27 years and have always had extenders. PAs and NPs do make your life easier and are, at worse, budget neutral. What do you use NPs for?

1. follow up of procedures with future plan spelled out in your note
2. med refills, whether narcotic or other. In most instances, referring physicians will want some help with meds, in most cases agreeing to take the patient back after reccommendations. Refusing any meds at all can and will diminish the referrals you get for procedures, as docs will send to a full service clinic.
3. keeping your practice doors open while you are on vacation
4. provide contacts with other nurses and schedulers through your NP

A 100% procedure type clinic has been tried many times over time. Unless you are directly associated with neurosurgeons/ortho docs who feed you specific procedures, you will have a number of FP referrals, who do want some input/help with meds. Employing NPs can free you do this, while making some money on the NPs, and permitting a "full service" clinic without sacrificing efficiency.

Something to consider- the era of the office practice is coming to an end, as few pain providers are a part of ACOs in which they can obtain revenue streams for quality contracts by saving money through that venue. Many docs with office practices for years are seeking associations with hospitals/hospital systems which can pay providers more, due to the facility fee they capture. Having paid $1 million in overhead for over 20 years, I am exploring this option.
 
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Something to consider- the era of the office practice is coming to an end, as few pain providers are a part of ACOs in which they can obtain revenue streams for quality contracts by saving money through that venue. Many docs with office practices for years are seeking associations with hospitals/hospital systems which can pay providers more, due to the facility fee they capture. Having paid $1 million in overhead for over 20 years, I am exploring this option.

But, the data is clear. Becoming hospital employed will *NOT* lower costs and only result in loss of autonomy...you'll be feeding a machine's ancillary income stream and surgical pipeline, paying for a CEO's second mortgage, and perpetuating bloated overhead/inflation in our health care system.

 
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But, the data is clear. Becoming hospital employed will *NOT* lower costs and only result in loss of autonomy...you'll be feeding a machine's ancillary income stream and surgical pipeline, paying for a CEO's second mortgage, and perpetuating bloated overhead/inflation in our health care system.



I agree with alot of Drusso's points and would personally be in a better financial position if less competition from overly compensated hospital employed docs.

On the other hand folks got kids and bills to pay. Future is uncertain and I totally understand doing what is right by your family and taking the well paying hospital gig.
 
I've been in practice for 27 years and have always had extenders. PAs and NPs do make your life easier and are, at worse, budget neutral. What do you use NPs for?

1. follow up of procedures with future plan spelled out in your note
2. med refills, whether narcotic or other. In most instances, referring physicians will want some help with meds, in most cases agreeing to take the patient back after reccommendations. Refusing any meds at all can and will diminish the referrals you get for procedures, as docs will send to a full service clinic.
3. keeping your practice doors open while you are on vacation
4. provide contacts with other nurses and schedulers through your NP

A 100% procedure type clinic has been tried many times over time. Unless you are directly associated with neurosurgeons/ortho docs who feed you specific procedures, you will have a number of FP referrals, who do want some input/help with meds. Employing NPs can free you do this, while making some money on the NPs, and permitting a "full service" clinic without sacrificing efficiency.

Something to consider- the era of the office practice is coming to an end, as few pain providers are a part of ACOs in which they can obtain revenue streams for quality contracts by saving money through that venue. Many docs with office practices for years are seeking associations with hospitals/hospital systems which can pay providers more, due to the facility fee they capture. Having paid $1 million in overhead for over 20 years, I am exploring this option.

I really HOPE you’re analysis of the future of office practice is incorrect. An association/employment with a hospital system is quite nauseating
 
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I really HOPE you’re analysis of the future of office practice is incorrect. An association/employment with a hospital system is quite nauseating
I really HOPE you’re analysis of the future of office practice is incorrect. An association/employment with a hospital system is quite nauseating

Well........................... I hope so as well, but I don't think so. I've been at it for 27 years and see that model as being in its final stages.

Over the last 25 years, office practices flourished, as they allowed one to be much more efficient. Hospital and surgery centers are notoriously inefficient (and costly) for pain management.

The world has changed. Now we have a situation in which quality contracts are dominating reimbursement strategies for health systems and large groups. Pain clinics are sites in which patients enter (and rarely leave) and suddenly their cost of healthcare expenditures rises dramatically, driven by the cost of meds, imaging, and countless and repeated procedures.

These high costs are targeted by those who control the ACO contracts, seeking more evidence based (and lower cost) treatments. This emphasis is on reducing the procedure mills and putting patients through cheaper, more evidence based treatments. A few rounds of PT and some tramadol or NSAIDs is much cheaper than someone getting rfs a couple times of year, coupled with multiple office visits, tons of imaging, and a slew of UDS studies. For example, I saw a guy back after seeing him two months ago. He had undergone over $250K of procedures at another clinic in the previous year. I sent him for core exercises with two sessions of PT and four tramadol per day. He is a lot better now, but had not improved one bit after a stim implant, removal of stim implant, hospitalization for infected stim with time in the unit, and two failed lumbar rfs. Big brother is watching these events.

The competing issues are :

1. cheap, evidence based, effective treatments that contribute to larger profits for an ACO and a practice style that limits and rationally orders imaging. The era of "everybody gets an MRI" is long gone. However, may pain clinic require imaging before they see patients (even those who have only axial pain and no "red flags"). This, of course, is not only bad practice, but very costly.

2. pain practices attempting to maximize profits (which translates into as many procedures as possible). Pain clinics make money on procedures, not ordering PT, arranging pool therapy, and instructing patients on lifting mechanics and strategies to increase activity- no bucks there. However, procedure oriented clinics requires a lot of staff as well as equipment- gotta feed the bulldog.

An office based, procedure oriented practice does nothing financially for anyone, except the pain doc. A hospital based system is able to generate sometimes 7X the revenue for a procedure, if done in the hospital system. The hospital systems and healthcare systems (as we have seen) have stronger lobbies and have been able to maintain reimbursement in those systems, as we have seen with pain reimbursement as opposed to office based practices. The hospital is able to "employ" physicians at rates they are somewhat accustomed to, while allowing them to "whack" the costly component of pain (imaging and meds), allowing them to prosper not only from procedures, but reduced cost through less imaging and meds.

Due to tax considerations of being non-profits, the health and hospital systems are better able to endure overhead as well as recruit new physicians, while private clinics do not have these advantages. The office based doc has nothing to offer in terms of profitability for the hospitals or the aco (or risk contracts). Thus they have no "friends" in these giant financial octopi which view them simply as a cost center that offers little advantage to them.

There are a couple of sucker new grads who have my old practice (from 1.5 years ago which I am glad to be out of) that are facing these cruel realities, coupled with an inability to crank out 30 procedures per doc per day, a lack of experience in stratifying payers, lack of experience using NPs, and a combined overhead of $1.6 million. Most new grads do not have the ability to compete effectively in the office based system, as they are not fast enough and do not have the business training to minimize overhead expenses and remain efficient.

I'm glad I'm in my last five years of practice, rather than the first five, as I would find it very difficult to navigate this environment, despite having been very adept in the era of the office based practice.
 
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Well........................... I hope so as well, but I don't think so. I've been at it for 27 years and see that model as being in its final stages.

Over the last 25 years, office practices flourished, as they allowed one to be much more efficient. Hospital and surgery centers are notoriously inefficient (and costly) for pain management.

The world has changed. Now we have a situation in which quality contracts are dominating reimbursement strategies for health systems and large groups. Pain clinics are sites in which patients enter (and rarely leave) and suddenly their cost of healthcare expenditures rises dramatically, driven by the cost of meds, imaging, and countless and repeated procedures.

These high costs are targeted by those who control the ACO contracts, seeking more evidence based (and lower cost) treatments. This emphasis is on reducing the procedure mills and putting patients through cheaper, more evidence based treatments. A few rounds of PT and some tramadol or NSAIDs is much cheaper than someone getting rfs a couple times of year, coupled with multiple office visits, tons of imaging, and a slew of UDS studies. For example, I saw a guy back after seeing him two months ago. He had undergone over $250K of procedures at another clinic in the previous year. I sent him for core exercises with two sessions of PT and four tramadol per day. He is a lot better now, but had not improved one bit after a stim implant, removal of stim implant, hospitalization for infected stim with time in the unit, and two failed lumbar rfs. Big brother is watching these events.

The competing issues are :

1. cheap, evidence based, effective treatments that contribute to larger profits for an ACO and a practice style that limits and rationally orders imaging. The era of "everybody gets an MRI" is long gone. However, may pain clinic require imaging before they see patients (even those who have only axial pain and no "red flags"). This, of course, is not only bad practice, but very costly.

2. pain practices attempting to maximize profits (which translates into as many procedures as possible). Pain clinics make money on procedures, not ordering PT, arranging pool therapy, and instructing patients on lifting mechanics and strategies to increase activity- no bucks there. However, procedure oriented clinics requires a lot of staff as well as equipment- gotta feed the bulldog.

An office based, procedure oriented practice does nothing financially for anyone, except the pain doc. A hospital based system is able to generate sometimes 7X the revenue for a procedure, if done in the hospital system. The hospital systems and healthcare systems (as we have seen) have stronger lobbies and have been able to maintain reimbursement in those systems, as we have seen with pain reimbursement as opposed to office based practices. The hospital is able to "employ" physicians at rates they are somewhat accustomed to, while allowing them to "whack" the costly component of pain (imaging and meds), allowing them to prosper not only from procedures, but reduced cost through less imaging and meds.

Due to tax considerations of being non-profits, the health and hospital systems are better able to endure overhead as well as recruit new physicians, while private clinics do not have these advantages. The office based doc has nothing to offer in terms of profitability for the hospitals or the aco (or risk contracts). Thus they have no "friends" in these giant financial octopi which view them simply as a cost center that offers little advantage to them.

There are a couple of sucker new grads who have my old practice (from 1.5 years ago which I am glad to be out of) that are facing these cruel realities, coupled with an inability to crank out 30 procedures per doc per day, a lack of experience in stratifying payers, lack of experience using NPs, and a combined overhead of $1.6 million. Most new grads do not have the ability to compete effectively in the office based system, as they are not fast enough and do not have the business training to minimize overhead expenses and remain efficient.

I'm glad I'm in my last five years of practice, rather than the first five, as I would find it very difficult to navigate this environment, despite having been very adept in the era of the office based practice.

Have you spent much time with hospital administrators? Would you trust one to run your business?
 
Great post Hawkeye. we( procedural office based practices) are in trouble, as are all docs. But..

the war on opioids have given us a few year breather as other options are more failed PT or more expensive and less evidence based surgeries.

A lot of hospitals systems play both sides. Partially value based with only the carrots and still making $$$ in imaging, labs and OR. They still want the 10x salary a doc makes them in ancillaries

Office based practices can be way more efficient than mentioned.

I see job offers for 600k hospital employed on this forum. I don’t hear that locally. If you can make a million a year for 10 years in PP before it all fails apart you will be ahead.

Autonomy is priceless.

I would still tell a new grad to hang their own shingle( but not pay for someone elses)
 
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I agree Autonomy is priceless, but the possibility of retirement someday is also very attractive. It appears we can have one or the other.
 
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Just read the article and sent Pain Medicine my thoughts. I particularly liked the section where every one of them thought they should be paid on par with a physician. Here are some of my favorite quotes, "As studies have shown, NPs provide equal, if not better, outcomes to their physician counterparts in family practice." and "The same work done to the same professional standard—which took the same amount of training and proficiency to develop competency, including experience on the job—should be reimbursed to the same degree. The decision by the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services to reimburse NP/PA work less than that reimbursed to a physician was made arbitrarily without sound scientific evidence or clinical rationale."

So now, NPs and PAs have the same amount of training as physicians? Wow the hubris here is unbelievable. Medicine is going to a bad bad place...
 
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Just read the article and sent Pain Medicine my thoughts. I particularly liked the section where every one of them thought they should be paid on par with a physician. Here are some of my favorite quotes, "As studies have shown, NPs provide equal, if not better, outcomes to their physician counterparts in family practice." and "The same work done to the same professional standard—which took the same amount of training and proficiency to develop competency, including experience on the job—should be reimbursed to the same degree. The decision by the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services to reimburse NP/PA work less than that reimbursed to a physician was made arbitrarily without sound scientific evidence or clinical rationale."

So now, NPs and PAs have the same amount of training as physicians? Wow the hubris here is unbelievable. Medicine is going to a bad bad place...

Support your specialty societies and PAC's.
 
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Great post Hawkeye. we( procedural office based practices) are in trouble, as are all docs. But..

the war on opioids have given us a few year breather as other options are more failed PT or more expensive and less evidence based surgeries.

A lot of hospitals systems play both sides. Partially value based with only the carrots and still making $$$ in imaging, labs and OR. They still want the 10x salary a doc makes them in ancillaries

Office based practices can be way more efficient than mentioned.

I see job offers for 600k hospital employed on this forum. I don’t hear that locally. If you can make a million a year for 10 years in PP before it all fails apart you will be ahead.

Autonomy is priceless.

I would still tell a new grad to hang their own shingle( but not pay for someone elses)


Office based practices certainly are much more efficient. If one was going to pursue the cheapest route with the best access, it would be an office based setting. An office based practice may have a role in the future as incorporated with a very large group using the lower cost site as a tool in creating revenue through their ACO contracts. In such a system, the income from the quality metrics could be "shared" with the pain provider in order to maintain salary levels. This would be a win-win, as the cost savings would far exceed the financial support of the physician.

However, for the time being, I do not see office based pain providers seeking out these relationships, which may be the "life preserver" for this type of system. As noted before, Blue Cross is using "back pain" as a quality metric for ACOs this year. Perhaps this will expand to other carriers and make pain participation in ACO contracts a viable and useful avenue of preserving the office based model.

I made over a million bucks a year for twenty years. In retrospect, I think I would have been happier as an employed physician. Dealing with the business of an office practice is taxing and I would rather just focus on the medical aspects of pain, not the economics. Certainly one is one's own "boss" in an office practice and it avoids having to deal with hospital CEOs, who can be less than supportive or agreeable in dealing with situations that seem rather obvious to us as physicians.

The ideal system, in my opinion, is being a part of a larger multi-specialty group, the physicians of which are employed by a hospital system. This provides a more secure position, as it is nearly impossible to replace a few hundred physicians, but it is pretty easy to replace one. In this regard, one maintains some autonomy under the umbrella of the physician group while securing the comfortable "guaranteed base" of the hospital system. In this regard, one also avoids the hassle of running one's own practice and the looming "squeeze" of the office based practice.

Perhaps I am wrong- I have certainly been wrong before. This is just one person's perspective on the current situation and I am sure there are many others with equal, or far better, merit.
 

I would think that you will see more and more of this in the future. When there are higher incomes at stake, people can convince themselves that they are trained well for anything.

We had a meeting in our state legislature over CRNAs doing pain work independently about seven years ago. The CRNAs present stated that they had been trained to do "pain" by my former mentor, who was the chairman of the Anesthesia department in our state. Having worked in his lab for five years, I knew that he had never performed a pain procedure in his career and thought the whole area was BS. I had his phone number on my cell phone and asked the CRNAs if they would like me to call him and ask about his "training" them- they declined the offer.

Further, I asked them if the most common "pain case" they saw with radicular symptoms was an L5/S1 herniated disc. They agreed. I then asked them to tell me the sensory, motor, and reflex changes one would expect on physical exam and what degree of elevation was positive for a SLR. None of them knew. I pulled out a few MRIs and asked them to read the films and tell me what they showed- they couldn't. After all that, the state legislature felt they were fine to practice "pain medicine" independently!!!!!!!!
 
Office based practices certainly are much more efficient. If one was going to pursue the cheapest route with the best access, it would be an office based setting. An office based practice may have a role in the future as incorporated with a very large group using the lower cost site as a tool in creating revenue through their ACO contracts. In such a system, the income from the quality metrics could be "shared" with the pain provider in order to maintain salary levels. This would be a win-win, as the cost savings would far exceed the financial support of the physician.

However, for the time being, I do not see office based pain providers seeking out these relationships, which may be the "life preserver" for this type of system. As noted before, Blue Cross is using "back pain" as a quality metric for ACOs this year. Perhaps this will expand to other carriers and make pain participation in ACO contracts a viable and useful avenue of preserving the office based model.

I made over a million bucks a year for twenty years. In retrospect, I think I would have been happier as an employed physician. Dealing with the business of an office practice is taxing and I would rather just focus on the medical aspects of pain, not the economics. Certainly one is one's own "boss" in an office practice and it avoids having to deal with hospital CEOs, who can be less than supportive or agreeable in dealing with situations that seem rather obvious to us as physicians.

The ideal system, in my opinion, is being a part of a larger multi-specialty group, the physicians of which are employed by a hospital system. This provides a more secure position, as it is nearly impossible to replace a few hundred physicians, but it is pretty easy to replace one. In this regard, one maintains some autonomy under the umbrella of the physician group while securing the comfortable "guaranteed base" of the hospital system. In this regard, one also avoids the hassle of running one's own practice and the looming "squeeze" of the office based practice.

Perhaps I am wrong- I have certainly been wrong before. This is just one person's perspective on the current situation and I am sure there are many others with equal, or far better, merit.

ACO "risk-sharing" schemes are the Emperor's Clothes. I'd be happy to write a value-based contract with an insurer for capitated payment. I'd still come out ahead every time just on the site of service arbitrage *AND* while ordering MRI's for everyone *AND* throwing in a buy 2 get one free coupon for PRP injections for your knee. All I have to do is stave off *ONE* un-necessary $90K lumbar fusion, and a couple of bogus arthroscopic knee meniscectomies to win that bet. I'd take that deal every day.

The problem is price transparency and hospitals COI's (they get paid to keep that HOPD/OR humming. They won't bargain in good faith.
 
Office based practices certainly are much more efficient. If one was going to pursue the cheapest route with the best access, it would be an office based setting. An office based practice may have a role in the future as incorporated with a very large group using the lower cost site as a tool in creating revenue through their ACO contracts. In such a system, the income from the quality metrics could be "shared" with the pain provider in order to maintain salary levels. This would be a win-win, as the cost savings would far exceed the financial support of the physician.

However, for the time being, I do not see office based pain providers seeking out these relationships, which may be the "life preserver" for this type of system. As noted before, Blue Cross is using "back pain" as a quality metric for ACOs this year. Perhaps this will expand to other carriers and make pain participation in ACO contracts a viable and useful avenue of preserving the office based model.

I made over a million bucks a year for twenty years. In retrospect, I think I would have been happier as an employed physician. Dealing with the business of an office practice is taxing and I would rather just focus on the medical aspects of pain, not the economics. Certainly one is one's own "boss" in an office practice and it avoids having to deal with hospital CEOs, who can be less than supportive or agreeable in dealing with situations that seem rather obvious to us as physicians.

The ideal system, in my opinion, is being a part of a larger multi-specialty group, the physicians of which are employed by a hospital system. This provides a more secure position, as it is nearly impossible to replace a few hundred physicians, but it is pretty easy to replace one. In this regard, one maintains some autonomy under the umbrella of the physician group while securing the comfortable "guaranteed base" of the hospital system. In this regard, one also avoids the hassle of running one's own practice and the looming "squeeze" of the office based practice.

Perhaps I am wrong- I have certainly been wrong before. This is just one person's perspective on the current situation and I am sure there are many others with equal, or far better, merit.
1 million a year for 20 years! Ughhhh I really got in at the wrong time
 
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You either pay by giving up control as an employee or bleed extra in sweat and time as a physician owner.

Constantly criticizing physician employees as being lazy and abrogating their duty by working as an employee ignores this balance, as does denigrating physician owners as being greedy and unscrupulous. Each person has to find his/her way.
 
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