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Discussion in 'Pre-Medical - MD' started by wannaplaydoctor, Nov 16, 2005.
Which school would you go to between these two and why?
Hopkins because its about 20 minutes away from me
B-more wins that toss up hands down. Not to mention that it doesn't freeze over nearly as completely as Michigan does.
Michigan people seem more comfortable with the fact that they kick ass. Hopkins people seem defensive about it. That's my $0.02
Ever been to Ann Arbor? It's a pretty happening place.
Define "happening". And please refer to my statement about hell, uh, I mean Michigan freezing over.
Hopkins! Because of Baltimore! Oh wait...Baltimore is a sh!thole...
Hahah yes we should know this well, it's quite unfortunate ;[
I'm familiar with both cities and have lived in/around each for quite some time. I have to say that besides the cold, Ann Arbor is a much better place for someone in their twenties. Do you think that living in Baltimore and being more stressed out (not P/F like Michigan) will be worth it in terms of how much you learn and residency placement?
Besides the cold? BECAUSE of the cold! It snowed today, and I just got my skiis sharpened and waxed. Bring it!
Skating, Sledding, Skiing, Snowmobiling, Snowman-making, Snowball Fights, Snowshoeing, Dog-sledding, Ice-climbing... It rocks!
MICHIGAN, no contest. The people are nicer, the town is better (Ann Arbor is an extremely friendly, fun college town whereas Baltimore is a scary slum), the spirit is better, students are happier, there is less snobbiness...
The only thing Hopkins has on Michigan is a slightly better ranking, but they're both in the top 10, so that probably doesn't really matter. I guess Hopkins weather is also a little less extreme, but it's not like you'll want to be outside anyway in Baltimore because you'll get mugged.
I agree, I go to school in a s***-hole (Baltimore). But, compared to some other large cities (Detroit, Bronx) its not as bad. There's still some interesting places to go to: Inner Harbor, Mount Vernon, Towson, Baltimore Zoo. A lot of premeds end up going to JHU or UMaryland because of their pre-existing undergrad research (JHU+UMaryland > $1 billion research grants/year), apartments, or friends/family. I mention both because a lot of times researchers collaborate since the two schools are < 10 minutes apart. On the plus side, JHU is expanding (they are adding a new complex which will draw even more NIH funding), and UMD is also expanding (American Redcross is now entering research in cardiology and they have a new biomedical research building not even close at 100% carrying capacity). I guess it depends on what you are intending to do: primary care or academic medicine. If its the former, I would go to UMich, if its the latter, I would go to then JHU. 90% of JHU med students do research (I was in a research lab with medical students ) and don't have to compete for resources. They have required journal clubs and a majority do a research elective.
I disagree. I would choose UMich for academic medicine too. Hopkins may be a little more famous for their research and may have a higher percentage of students doing research, but there is certainly no lack in reasearch opportunity at UMich. They are ranked #9 in the nation for research...
I agree, both are tops in being academic medicine geared. I would go to UMich over JHU because of security reasons and the atmosphere. But, JHU has more funding and more prestigious research so its a better academic medicine environment. You are surrounded by the best and most talented minds. Too bad I don't have the stats to even consider a top 20 school .
First, congratulations on having such spectacular options. I think you have to ask yourself what type of environment you want to live and work in for the next four years of your life. UMich is going to be more laid back and friendly than Hopkins. While both schools will allow you to get into any residency you want, it may be a bit easier coming from Hopkins. Also, Hopkins has a better reputation in medicine along with an unbeatable history.
That said, Ann Arbor is, in my opinion, much, much better than Baltimore, especially for medical students. The fact that a huge undergraduate university is right there at your disposal is a factor to consider. UMich has much more school spirit and better football. Furthermore, you need to ask yourself how important being close to home is for you. If you live closer to Baltimore, then you may wish to stay there to stay close to home (same holds true for UMich).
Years down the road, it probably will not matter whether you went to Hopkins or Michigan because an intelligent, motivated person will get to the same place and achieve his/her goals coming from either school. Both schools are going to allow interaction with amazingly talented peers and faculty. I think you have to choose based on quality of life. Go where you'll be happiest or else you will regret it. When you interviewed at the two schools, I'm sure one of them gave you an impression - a gut feeling so to speak - as to where you fit in better and where you'd be happier. I say go to that school. You probably already know where your heart is telling you to go, but you want to see what others have to say. I don't blame you and would do the same but ultimately the decision is yours. Don't concern yourself so much with what other people think.
By the way, I would choose Michigan because of the people and sense of family...good luck!
Hell yeah, it is. Spent 4 of the best years of my life there.
And as for hell freezing over, there is, actually, a city not to far from Ann Arbor called Hell, Michigan. And yes, it does freeze over in the winter. You can probably get a t-shirt there that says so.
Gonna watch my Wolverines kick the ever-lovin' ****e outta OSU this weekend. !!!GO BLUE!!!
Congrats on your acceptance to Hopkins and Michigan. Both med schools offer an outstanding education and will open many doors for you in the future in terms of career advancement (provided that you do your best to become an excellent physician, which more than anything else is a function of work ethic).
That said, I think that Hopkins and Michigan are quite different from the standpoint of atmosphere. The former is not closely associated with the undergraduate campus, is situated in the middle of a large city, and tends to be quite intense. It's my understanding that the academic environment at Hopkins can be rather competitive, as students are ranked from day one and the traditional grading system persists throughout all four years. I could be mistaken in this assessment of Hopkins' environment, but this is the gist of what I've been told by a current student and classmates who interviewed there. Michigan med school is right next to the undergraduate campus, is located in a truly unique college town (one of the best places to live in the country, IMHO), and tends to be very laidback. The first two years are graded on P/F basis, and competition among students is nonexistent here. Even during the 3rd and 4th years, when grades resume, the competition is limited to the few gunners in every class (10-15 students on average per class).
Both schools have an excellent reputation, though obviously Hopkins has more widespread recognition among the general public. Both schools have plenty of star faculty and tons of research opportunities. Finally, both schools offer an excellent overall education and will provide a solid foundation for becoming an exceptionally good physician.
If you have to choose between the two schools, I wouldn't do so on the basis of academic reputation, ranking, or research opportunities. Both schools are quite similar in these areas. I would make a decision on the basis of environment. Several of my classmates were admitted to Hopkins and chose Michigan because of the laidback, safe environment. They're all very happy with their decision.
UMich because of Zingerman's. Oh, yeah, and the med school is pretty good, I hear.
Thanks for all the feedback guys. I'm torn between the two. I had the same decision to make going into undergrad and ended up choosing Hopkins because I wanted to experience a new environment and felt that I might have an edge when I applied to medical school. Watching Michigan football games on TV and visiting my friends at Michigan often makes me wonder whether I made the right decision.
However, I have been successful in the interview process (I have good stats, but by no means exceptional) and think that it is in large part due to the reputation of undergrad at Hopkins as being one of the best premedical educations available. I know that Hopkins undergrad is competitive (not necessarily in the "I'm gonna steal your notes" type of way) and pushes me to be my best. I thrive when I am surrounded by motivated students, however, I feel that most medical schools will provide such an environment.
All of the physicians I have spoken with tend to put Hopkins and Harvard in their own tier and all of the rest of the top ten schools a notch below. Speaking with them, I've heard multiple times that "Michigan is good, but you'll be surrounded by the absolute brightest students in the country at Harvard or Hopkins." Do you guys think there is a significant difference in the quality of the classmates I would have at Michigan or Hopkins?
I feel that if I get into Harvard it will be an easy decision (I genuinely liked everything I saw there -- P/F, amazing facilities, top notch research in any field, laid back students, Boston), but if I don't I will have a hard time deciding between Michigan and Hopkins. Although I don't know exactly what the implications are for a graduating student, there must be some significance to the difference in the US News residency director assessment score of the two schools: Hopkins - 4.8 and Michigan - 4.5.
I guess I have a long time to think about this, but any feedback specific to experiences at the two schools would be appreciated. Does anyone that is a current medical student and had a similar choice have any input?
Best of luck to everyone else still in the 2006 application process.
Significant difference? No. Probably not even a slight difference. The difference between the classes is *probably* immeasurable. Hopkins might have a slight advantage in name recognition however. You will probably have a few more doors open if you attend Hopkins.
Michigan does claim that they were tied for 3rd in the residency director's rankings. Perhaps Hopkins was first or second.
I was an applicant in 2005, got into both Michigan and Hopkins, but am now attending a different school than either of those two . I was initially planning on going to Hopkins because of the name factor solely and what I perceived to be better residency prospects etc., but I am so glad I didn't attend that school. Don't get me wrong, its obviously a tremendous place to learn medicine; however, when I went to revist there, the place was just depressing, the first year dorm (reed hall) just plain sucked (bathrooms were dark, dirty, and rusty) and rooms were dark and lonely, and Baltimore itself had a few nice places but wasn't necessarily a draw like California or NYC. To that end, I know many of my friends and others I met at revist who choose to deny a spot at Hopkins in favor of Michigan, Penn, Columbia, Duke, etc. The consequence of this was a significant portion of the Hopkins class this year coming in from the waitlist. I know a friend of mine from undergrad who was waitlisted in their 2nd tier (normally considered a subtle rejection), but who eventually got in (if she didn't get in, she was going to her state school by choice). The reason Im saying all this is that the quality of the students at Hopkins is not anymore exceptional than at any other top 10 or 15 school in the country. In fact, the overall quality of the Hopkins student body might even be less than other top 10s because a surprisingly large number of people do not wish to attend for whatever reason.
Basically don't listen to anything this guy says.
photo MD has a micropenis.
Actually, I would second this loser's opinion on the UM v. JH debate (I didn't realize there was a rivalry). Besides, who wants to be in Baltimore?
photoMD is a thugsonic.
MaKiaveli is a manhattan laureate.
I have the same (fortunate) dilemma of choosing between Hopkins and Michigan. I plan to do the revisit and make a decision after that. I feel one of the big draws of Hopkins is their ability to match well.
But I have essentially no ability to read a match list. Can anyone tell me if there's a difference between these two lists? Does a student have a better chance of being head of a department or taking a leadership position in a hospital with a Hopkins background? I'm fully aware of the difference in cities (I live in Ann Arbor now), but is there a difference in influencing one's potential?
Every doc I have talked to has raved about Hopkins, and how they think it is in a league of its own (with Harvard). But, I didn't apply to Michigan, and so I've never really asked about U Mich in comparison with Hopkins. When I interviewd, everyone at Hopkins seemed really nice and laid back, and so I would think the atmosphere must be good. I would love some more feedback though.
Michigan claims that they tied for 3rd in the residency directors' list of top schools last year. I'm not sure what the other schools were or how they figured out this information. Hopefully it wasn't an outright lie!
I believe it was figured out by adding the Residency Assessment in BOTH the research and primary care categories in US News and World Report.
So even though Michigan loses to some Ivies in Research, they make it up in primary care. If scores are added together, I believe Harvard and Duke are tied for #1 at 8.2, and then Hopkins and Michigan are tied right below them at 8.1. I'm pretty sure that's why Michigan says they're 3, but sometimes just says top 5.
a doctor at Umich told me, and he is on the teaching faculty as well, that he felt Harvard and Hopkins are in another league. So I would choose Hopkins.
My only concern with the location of Hopkins is the living arrangements...I stayed in Reed Hall the night before my interview, and it really was horrible. Does anyone know if the apartments in the surrounding areas are nice and fairly affordable? Would it be unsafe to take a shuttle or something back and forth later at night?
Also, I've applied to Harvard, but haven't heard anything from them yet for an interview. However, I've heard some things about the curriculum that I'm not sure I would like, but I may have gotten the wrong impression. I heard that it was very independent-learning intensive. There aren't many lectures, if any...and you're just told to learn things on your own? Is that true at all...can anyone tell me anything more about the curriculum?
Another question for you all....how would you compare Penn with Hopkins? Do you think you'd have the same opportunities at Penn as if you went to Hopkins? Also, I'm a PA resident and live outside of Pittsburgh...Pitt is a really good school in my opinion, but do you think it would be a real step down from Hopkins or Penn?
I think Pitt is a great place as is Penn. I believe Hopkins loses the most number of people when it comes to choosing between Penna and Hopkins. If you are outgoing you will be just as likely to get what you want from Pitt or Penn or Hopkins etc. as they are all great schools and provide plenty of opportunities.
Havard is very independent with lots of PBL and does not cater to the boards. Their exams call for open-ended rather than multiple choice answers, and they often never learn their scores but are rather just informed whether they've passed. I don't like the idea of not getting tests back because I learn a lot from seeing what I've gotten wrong, but the students seemed okay with the system when I visited. You must be very self-motivated to take advantage of what Harvard has to offer, but the curriculum does provide you with enough flexibility to make the best use of the amazing facilities and resources.
A lot of the students tend to live by homewood (where the undergrad campus is at, about 15 mins away) and in Mt. Vernon neighborhood; mainly b/c it's nicer and it's relatively safer than where the health campus is. I'm currently living in mt. vernon and it's probably one of the best area in baltimore. if you plan on taking the hopkins shuttle then mt. vernon and homewood are prolly the best places b/c the shuttle makes stops in these areas (it stops at peabody institute in mt. vernon and at homewood where the undergrad is at). you can look for apts near peabody so it's close to the shuttle stop or you can look for apts near homewood (there's lots of apts by homewood and i've heard hopkins house is the best) You can take the shuttle at night, but ever since day light savings time, i've been driving to school b/c i have late classes. i dont feel comfortable walking from the bus stop at night to my apt even tho it's just like 4 blocks away. just keep in mind that this "city" is not one of the best...esp where the med school is at (in east baltimore) Good luck! and congrats on getting into med school!!! =)
Michigan - Better partying, hotter chicks, a football (which sux) to watch.
Hopkins - Better Rep, better weather.. Your call. Baltimore sux but DC isnt too far away, good seafood
I can tell you that the rest of your future is in your hands the difference between these schools is small. You cant go wrong either way.. The real choice should be based on the stuff I put down.
The guys I stayed with at Hopkins had a great refurbished loft type apartment that was just a 10 minute walk from the med school. It was surrounded by a more ghetto area, but their street was really cool (nice cobblestone street, and brick lofts), and they said they've never had a problem with crime, just be smart about where you are. I too wouldn't live in Reed Hall, but that's just my preference.
Did y'all see the new rankings of America's most dangerous cities? Baltimore - 6, Atlanta - 7, and get this St. Louis - 3. Crazy.
This thread is off the hooooook.
This is the type of thread of why I don't know I'm bothering to apply to U of M. The best doctor I ever had went to Wayne State, one of the worst went to U of M and cared more about her lunch break than my sister's diagnosis.
Point? None really, just go to the school that you'd feel the most comfortable at...you'll be a great doc wherever you go if you want to be. Both are "top notch" medical schools, but the majority of patients you'll deal with won't give a flying monkey turd where you went as long as your a good doc and do good work.
this dude has no idea what he is talking about. clearly, he got rejected from michigan and is a current student at wayne state. thank you.
I must first say that the Baltimore bashing is making me cringe. But I'll just ignore it. Anyway, Baltimore does have many great areas. The Hopkins area is just one part. A 10-15 minute drive from Hopkins will land you in a nice, quiet surburban area such as Rosedale. Other parts will fool you into thinking that you're in Beverly Hills. As for affordability, Baltimore is absolutely one of the most affordable places in the country. I was dismayed to learn that the $400 a month my family used to rent a nice two-floor, two-bedroom townhouse here could not even get a single room in the shoddiest parts of most other states. As for safety, people read the stats and think that it's just horrible but it's really no worse than any other big city including Boston. Of course, the city is not for everyone, but if you're the big city type, (you roll up your car windows when leaving your car,) then you'll be fine. Also, at Hopkins, there are actually escorts late at night so you don't need to worry about that. Baltimore is a great place. I've been to other places and would cringe at the thought of living in a more rural area. Rural-oriented people may be disgusted by the big city. But this is expected and will of course take some getting used to. I'd say that if you live in a big city anyway, then these things won't be an issue, especially considering that Baltimore is only the heart within several close, quiet, affordable, surrounding suburbs.
hey why are you so defensive about bmore? it clearly says on the benches, 'baltimore- the greatest city in america'. let those fools think what they want to think. now i think i'll take a walk outside... if only i could find where i left those brass knuckles....
I like the slogan: "Baltimore- the city that reads." ... the obituary often.
I used to live in Michigan and it's coooooold... unless you like blizzards, you're better off somewhere a little milder. Why do you think I live in California now?
I liked JHU, nice green area, a little humid for me, and crazy traffic, but that's the east coast for you! I did like how close it was to DC.
How long ago was this, hsperson?? I've lived some places in the midwest where $400 can get you a pretty good one-br or studio, but definitely not more (and probably not now)... but that figure shocks me for the size and location.
I spent most of the '90s up to just 3 years ago in such a situation. Of course, it may be slighty more expensive today, but it is definitely still affordable especially in relation to other states. I definitely think B-more is one of the most affordable places in the country. Only $400-$700 a month will get you a nice standard 2 bedroom apartment/townhouse in a quiet suburb surrounding Hopkins. I definitely understand your shock at such affordability, but if you look at local Baltimore apartment guides you'll know what I'm talking about. I went to college out-of-state thinking I'd pay $400 for a standard apartment, but I couldn't even find a decent room.