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I ate lunch with my dad yesterday, and he said that it would be no shame if I have to reapply next year. He said that he took the college entrance exam twice before he got into to the Seoul University. He told me that I need to retake my MCAT ( 14-PS, 8-VR, 11-BS). One of his friends' son who is in the Cornell Medical School told him that any section less than 10 is pretty much due for a failure. Now, my dad is harping me to retaek the MCAT and do much better. Also, during the evening, my mother pretty much reiterated the same thing. So I guess the pressure is off me for at least this year since my parents and their friends think I should reapply. Oh well, just wanted to get this out in the open. I felt like a total disgrace hearing this...
 
I ate lunch with my dad yesterday, and he said that it would be no shame if I have to reapply next year. He said that he took a college entrance exam twice before he got into to the Seoul University. He told me that I need to retake my MCAT ( 14-PS, 8-VR, 11-BS). One of his friends' son who is in the Cornell Medical School told him that any section less than 10 is pretty much due for a failure. Now, my dad is harping me to retaek the MCAT and do much better. Also, during the evening, my mother pretty much reiterated the same thing. So I guess the pressure is off me for at least this year since my parents and their friends think I should reapply. Oh well, just wanted to get this out in the open. I felt like a total disgrace hearing this...

Thanks for sharing.
 
I dont think an 8 is going to "doom" you for rejection. an 8 is okay for lower tier schools. On the other hand, if you're shooting for a top 10-20 school, you might want to consider retaking (assuming the rest of your application is solid).
 
I dont think an 8 is going to "doom" you for rejection. an 8 is okay for lower tier schools. On the other hand, if you're shooting for a top 10-20 school, you might want to consider retaking (assuming the rest of your application is solid).

I mostly applied to the top 30 schools: 8 top 20 and 2 top 50. Maybe, I should have added more schools 😳
 
I ate lunch with my dad yesterday, and he said that it would be no shame if I have to reapply next year. He said that he took the college entrance exam twice before he got into to the Seoul University. He told me that I need to retake my MCAT ( 14-PS, 8-VR, 11-BS). One of his friends' son who is in the Cornell Medical School told him that any section less than 10 is pretty much due for a failure. Now, my dad is harping me to retaek the MCAT and do much better. Also, during the evening, my mother pretty much reiterated the same thing. So I guess the pressure is off me for at least this year since my parents and their friends think I should reapply. Oh well, just wanted to get this out in the open. I felt like a total disgrace hearing this...


Granted you did get an 8 in VR, your overall score was a 33 (a great score). From your typing, I'm gonna assume English is a comfortable language for you. How'd you do on practice tests? If you really think you can pull a 10+ then go for it. If not, don't worry because you don't need a 10+ on every section to get into medical school. Also, keep in mind your other sections are great and there's a chance they might decrease next time.

How's the rest of your app? If there's something you can really improve in the next year (e.g. volunteer time, shadowing, research --> publication), I'd go for those first. Also, don't get all picky with the rank of the schools that you might want to hear good news from. How many schools did you apply to?

A ton of people here will testify that you don't need a 10 on every section to get into medical school, myself included. (9 Bio!) My sister's actually at Cornell Med (4th year), and she told me to apply with my scores.

Good luck with the rest of the cycle! Hopefully, you don't have to worry about this.
 
Sounds like the typical asian parent story. As indicated, apply broadly. The differences between a top 20 school and ranked 100 school are overrated. The biggest difference is how much your parents get to brag to their friends if you got into a big name school as opposed to a school that doesnt quite have the same ring but a very good clinical experience. With your mcat score, you probably could have gotten into some pretty good schools like AECOM so it's not like you're looking at possibly going to the Carribean. (that is unless your GPA isn't good)
 
lol at Navicular🙂
 
successful. And a 33 is a very good score. I am not Asian so I will tread lightly on the cultural issues here, but I would not define myself by my parents' expectations. This is your life not your parents. Do whatever floats your boat.
 
korean parents are kinda tough. but it seems like you're in a decent situation where your parents are okay with you reapplying. its better than having parents that will kill you at any hint of not getting into harvard (im not talking about me).

in any case, i guess it is tough that they want you to take the mcat, but at least they support you. lots of ppl reapply every year, so don't feel too bad.

try to contact some of the schools (some are pretty good about this) to ask about your application to see what you can do, and whether it's worth taking the mcat again.
 
hmmm........so according to the data ( http://www.aamc.org/students/mcat/examineedata/table0806.pdf ) you are only in the 88th to 90th percentile of test takers. I can see why they would be disappointed. 🙄

Here's a tip, contact the schools and find out what they are looking for. You can look at MSAR and see that an 8 is not going to kill you AT ALMOST ANY SCHOOL. All you have to do is look at the overall for accepted students and then at the minimum scores shown on the right page under the MCAT info.

Also in the MSAR at the front, you can read that the acceptance rate for applicants with a 30 or greater MCAT and a 3.5 GPA or better is 85%.

People say admissions is a crapshoot, but I think it's more a game. You play by the rules of the schools you want to go to, or you don't play.

:luck:
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I ate lunch with my dad yesterday, and he said that it would be no shame if I have to reapply next year. He said that he took the college entrance exam twice before he got into to the Seoul University. He told me that I need to retake my MCAT ( 14-PS, 8-VR, 11-BS). One of his friends' son who is in the Cornell Medical School told him that any section less than 10 is pretty much due for a failure. Now, my dad is harping me to retaek the MCAT and do much better. Also, during the evening, my mother pretty much reiterated the same thing. So I guess the pressure is off me for at least this year since my parents and their friends think I should reapply. Oh well, just wanted to get this out in the open. I felt like a total disgrace hearing this...

To be honest, I don't think you need to retake the MCAT. As a matter of fact, I would advise you not to take it again. A 33 is a great score girl!! I would advise you to enhance your application....do some EC's that would make you stand out as an applicant. You should sit down with an adcom committee (you can set up appointments) and see where you went wrong with the application this cycle and see what you can do to enhance other parts of your app. And as the others said, apply more broadly next time...the end goal is to get an MD degree...it doesn't have to be a top 20 school.
Best of luck!
 
took the college entrance exam twice before he got into to the Seoul University. He told me that I need to retake my MCAT

I just want to add that after living in asia for 6 years, I can attest to the fact that getting into university is very hard, particularly to top schools like Seoul University. In Japan that call it "test hell", and it really is hell for students there. It is even worse in SK. Getting into Seoul University is concievably one of the most difficult feats to achieve. In MCAT terms, that is like getting 40+.

Fortunately, getting into med school is not determined by one test like it is in asia. You have a great score. You probably just needed to apply more broadly.

FWIW.
 
I honestly wouldnt retake anything over a 30 and anything over an 8.
Look at my mdapps- I got into Tulane and interview waiting at EVMS. The odds of your scores going down in your higher sections is alot higher than your verbal going up. I say reapply if you hear notihng, and reapply early. Ask the adcoms to review your file to see if it iwas indeed the MCAT. if your dream is to be a doctor, aiming for a top 20 is a moot point. Apply more broadly, your scores will get you somewhere. Good luck!
 
I ate lunch with my dad yesterday, and he said that it would be no shame if I have to reapply next year. He said that he took the college entrance exam twice before he got into to the Seoul University. He told me that I need to retake my MCAT ( 14-PS, 8-VR, 11-BS). One of his friends' son who is in the Cornell Medical School told him that any section less than 10 is pretty much due for a failure. Now, my dad is harping me to retaek the MCAT and do much better. Also, during the evening, my mother pretty much reiterated the same thing. So I guess the pressure is off me for at least this year since my parents and their friends think I should reapply. Oh well, just wanted to get this out in the open. I felt like a total disgrace hearing this...

I'm sorry. You should make the decision yourself. So many people will weigh in on this...but will usually only offer partial-truths. Though an 8 is not great...it is DEFINITELY NOT the end of the world. When were your files at the schools officially complete? To which schools did you apply? How were your letter of recs? Was your AMCAS essay on point (read da bomb...I mean good...😀 )? Do you show versatility? Have you demonstrated a SINCERE interest in extra-curricular activities? Or are you just a girl with numbers and nothing else to show? What would happen if you scored worse in the verbal section? What would happen if I scored better? What would happen if my score did not change?

Ask yourself all those questions and more before you make a rushed decision to retake the MCAT. In the end, trust your own judgement!!!!
 
Sounds like the typical asian parent story.

Not just Asian. When I was filling out TMDSAS back in May my dad kept asking if I didn't want to take another year and build up my GPA which as "really low" (3.6 - which isn't amazing but isn't horrible either). And he told me he was "shocked" I even got an interview at Vanderbilt.

So apparently it's an Asian/Irish parent story 🙄 :laugh:


OP: Just like everyone has said. Apply more broadly next time but I wouldn't worry about retaking the MCAT. Just make sure your essays are polished.
 
I wouldn't retake the MCAT with a 33; VR is notoriously difficult as it is graded in a much more draconian fashion than the physical or biological sciences. Given where the 33 falls on the distribution curve, I'd be *very* concerned about regression toward the mean were you to take it again. Instead, I'd do what some of the posters above have recommended; check the MSAR, contact schools that rejected you to find particular weaknesses in your application, fix them, expand your pool of applications, and try again.
 
i am in similar boat, i just got myself a job instead. this is the stupid part, i can't get jobs easily, and into a grad school easily, but med school just escapes me sigh
 
I ate lunch with my dad yesterday, and he said that it would be no shame if I have to reapply next year. He said that he took the college entrance exam twice before he got into to the Seoul University. He told me that I need to retake my MCAT ( 14-PS, 8-VR, 11-BS). One of his friends' son who is in the Cornell Medical School told him that any section less than 10 is pretty much due for a failure. Now, my dad is harping me to retaek the MCAT and do much better. Also, during the evening, my mother pretty much reiterated the same thing. So I guess the pressure is off me for at least this year since my parents and their friends think I should reapply. Oh well, just wanted to get this out in the open. I felt like a total disgrace hearing this...

What is your GPA and from what school? I had a 33 MCAT too (albeit with a 13-10-10, 13 in PS) and felt that my 3.2 BCPM, 3.4 overall from a US News top 5 wasn't going to cut it so I retook and got a 36. I think that was key in getting me my one acceptance this year. If you feel like you're good in everything else and don't get accepted this year, maybe you could retake the MCAT.
 
That was your problem.

Bingo! The above quoted is right on target.

OP,

You need to apply broadly and not assume that just cuz you might not be at HMS that it is a bad thing. Because an MD is an MD.
 
Quick, dirty, and completely unscientific estimation of a retake (emphasis mine) based on http://www.studentdoc.com/retake-mact.php:

Original MCAT Scores:
MCAT physics: 14
MCAT bio: 11
MCAT verbal: 8

WARNING: There is too little data for scores above 13 to estimate change in MCAT scores on retest.This program does not return accurate results when the original score is above 13.

Cumulative score: 33

The most likely scores on retest is calculated from historical population data only:

Most likely physics score on retest: 13
Target Physics Score: 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
Chances (%): 7 14 22 33 15 9 1 0 0 0 0 0


Most likely biology score on retest: 10
Target Biology Score: 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18
Chances (%): 1 3 12 34 25 18 6 0 0 0 0 0


Most likely verbal score on retest: 9
Target Verbal Score: 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
Chances (%): 1 2 10 17 22 25 15 7 1 0 0 0


Most likely cumulative score on retake: 32


Recommendations
* Based on the projected change in your cumulative MCAT score of -1 point(s), you would be just as likely to increase your score as hurt it. If you feel that you have the time to prep and that you need a higher score, consider taking a course. Discuss your options with your premed advisor, or with Admissions Consultants (10% discount code: NUCA).
 
Not just Asian. When I was filling out TMDSAS back in May my dad kept asking if I didn't want to take another year and build up my GPA which as "really low" (3.6 - which isn't amazing but isn't horrible either). And he told me he was "shocked" I even got an interview at Vanderbilt.

So apparently it's an Asian/Irish parent story 🙄 :laugh:


OP: Just like everyone has said. Apply more broadly next time but I wouldn't worry about retaking the MCAT. Just make sure your essays are polished.


Maybe not Irish but a product of being the daughter of a doctor. Often times physician parents tend to have higher expectations then non physician parents. I've seen it a lot both here in Tampa and where I grew up.
 
Quick, dirty, and completely unscientific estimation of a retake (emphasis mine) based on http://www.studentdoc.com/retake-mact.php:

Original MCAT Scores:
MCAT physics: 14
MCAT bio: 11
MCAT verbal: 8

WARNING: There is too little data for scores above 13 to estimate change in MCAT scores on retest.This program does not return accurate results when the original score is above 13.

Cumulative score: 33

The most likely scores on retest is calculated from historical population data only:

Most likely physics score on retest: 13
Target Physics Score: 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
Chances (%): 7 14 22 33 15 9 1 0 0 0 0 0


Most likely biology score on retest: 10
Target Biology Score: 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18
Chances (%): 1 3 12 34 25 18 6 0 0 0 0 0


Most likely verbal score on retest: 9
Target Verbal Score: 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
Chances (%): 1 2 10 17 22 25 15 7 1 0 0 0


Most likely cumulative score on retake: 32


Recommendations
* Based on the projected change in your cumulative MCAT score of -1 point(s), you would be just as likely to increase your score as hurt it. If you feel that you have the time to prep and that you need a higher score, consider taking a course. Discuss your options with your premed advisor, or with Admissions Consultants (10% discount code: NUCA).

haha, this is great :laugh:

What is your GPA and from what school? I had a 33 MCAT too (albeit with a 13-10-10, 13 in PS) and felt that my 3.2 BCPM, 3.4 overall from a US News top 5 wasn't going to cut it so I retook and got a 36. I think that was key in getting me my one acceptance this year. If you feel like you're good in everything else and don't get accepted this year, maybe you could retake the MCAT.

do three points really make that much of a difference? I have same overall MCAT and similar GPA numbers, but I had no intention of retaking the MCAT - and I would like to keep it that way, given Quix's point above - do you really think you couldn't have gotten in without retaking?
 
I can sympathize with you with that story. My parents used to be like that about grades and scores. I was lucky in the fact that my parents can't speak or read English thus I hide everything from them once I got to college (relieved the pressure immensely). Your score really is fine, in fact it is very good. The problem is not your MCAT score but that you didn't apply broadly enough as others have said. People will probably tell you to tell your parents to get off your back but asian parents can be so stubborn about these types of things (and will probably guilt you to death about raising you and paying for everything). Hopefully you will get in. If you do, you definitely should not reapply. It will look extremely sketchy because you declined an acceptance. The excuse "my parents pressured me" will not cut it. All you need is one acceptance and then your parents can pressure you about the USMLEs 😳
 
One of his friends' son who is in the Cornell Medical School told him that any section less than 10 is pretty much due for a failure.

Yeah, failure at Cornell, but unless you have your heart set on Cornell, who gives a ****? One of the dirty secrets of med school is that they all teach pretty much the same thing. They dress it differently, and make a big deal about all the split hairs, but it's essentially the same crap at Top 10 School X as it is at bottom 40 School Y. Your success is going to be >99.5% you and <0.5% where you go to med school. Don't retake the MCAT. For God's sake, just lighten up a bit and apply to more schools.
 
um, what i wanted to say but am kinda of scared to say is that an 8 in any section is not going to cut it for a korean applicant.
 
don't worry about the verbal, haha, i am not going to worry about my 9. if your going to take the year off, do something productive.
 
OP here's my very long take:

I am not Korean or any other minority, but I am the daughter of a man with a very high profile job, one that requires him to look "good" (whatever that means) to the outside community at all times, and that extends to his family as well. I grew up with a lot of pressure to be perferct, or at least appear that way, and it's taken me a long time to even recognize how much that affects me, let alone to try to do something about it.

Since I've started applying to medical school everytime I turn around, I find out that my mom is telling someone about her daughter, the doctor to be. It drives me crazy. I specifically took time off after college to give myself time to figure out if I was going into medicine because it was right for me or because that's what seemed to impress other people. So now that I am applying, having my mom brag about it makes me really uncomfortable. But worse than that, if I don't get in I keep having these visions of my mom hanging her head in shame and trying to mumble some excuse on my behalf to all of those people she was bragging to. This process can be brutal, but it's downright demoralizing when your failures are shared with and judged by people whom you value, and even some you don't.

But the important thing to remember is that this process is not in any way a reflection on you. We've all heard the story of at least one amazing, perfect candidate who got rejected for reasons no one understands. Sure someone's application may not be ideal, and that may be hurting him or her, but we all have mistakes in our past that we have to explain at some point or other. And no one, and I mean no one can actually be perfect, and those who appear to be so scare me. I've found that it's usually a sign that something really dangerous is lurking underneath the surface. I know a girl who got interviews at seven schools with as many acceptances. She looks fabulous on paper and knows how to put on the right show, but my god, she's got serious inner problems. If I saw that "perfect" candidate one day as my future doctor, I'd run screaming.

So yes, rejection hurts ... a lot. Let it. Give yourself permission and time to feel like crap and recognize where you could use improvement. But then let go of it, fix what you can, and move on. And be proud of what you have accomplished. Your MCAT score is amazing, and I'm willing to bet your GPA is nothing to be ashamed of. Plus, I'm guessing your academics and scores are not the only good things or even the best things about who you are.

It is hard to deal with the added pressure of feeling you've disappointed your family, and you can't write that off easily. But if you can, seek some support from outside sources, and try to give yourself room to not be perfect. Recognizing that others' expectations were both unrealistic and unfair helped me a lot.
 
You didn't get disowned when you got an 8? Damn, your parents are lenient.

I ate lunch with my dad yesterday, and he said that it would be no shame if I have to reapply next year. He said that he took the college entrance exam twice before he got into to the Seoul University. He told me that I need to retake my MCAT ( 14-PS, 8-VR, 11-BS). One of his friends' son who is in the Cornell Medical School told him that any section less than 10 is pretty much due for a failure. Now, my dad is harping me to retaek the MCAT and do much better. Also, during the evening, my mother pretty much reiterated the same thing. So I guess the pressure is off me for at least this year since my parents and their friends think I should reapply. Oh well, just wanted to get this out in the open. I felt like a total disgrace hearing this...
 
haha, i love my parents for having low expectations. it almost makes me want to disown myself right now
 
I dont think an 8 is going to "doom" you for rejection. an 8 is okay for lower tier schools. On the other hand, if you're shooting for a top 10-20 school, you might want to consider retaking (assuming the rest of your application is solid).

Hey azngirl001,
i haven't had any acceptance yet, but I also had an 8 in verbal. I was able to get some interview invites. So I don't that will prevent you from getting interviews. I would instead think about your rec letters (whether all your letters are fantastic... especially if you had gotten one from a lecture professor, you might want to reconsider because TYPICALLY it's hard to get a good letter from them). My overall score was even lower than yours, so your MCAT is definitely fine. But yea, before retaking the MCAT, I would look at other areas of your application more closely. Good luck!!
 
Don't sweat the 8. My own experience is an example that a single low sub score doesn't necessarily kill your app.
 
Hey azngirl001,
i haven't had any acceptance yet, but I also had an 8 in verbal. I was able to get some interview invites. So I don't that will prevent you from getting interviews. I would instead think about your rec letters (whether all your letters are fantastic... especially if you had gotten one from a lecture professor, you might want to reconsider because TYPICALLY it's hard to get a good letter from them). My overall score was even lower than yours, so your MCAT is definitely fine. But yea, before retaking the MCAT, I would look at other areas of your application more closely. Good luck!!

lol i hate you byong_soo, u should hook me up with all those pretty korean girls.
 
Don't retake. DO apply to a broader range of schools.
 
OP here's my very long take:

I am not Korean or any other minority, but I am the daughter of a man with a very high profile job, one that requires him to look "good" (whatever that means) to the outside community at all times, and that extends to his family as well. I grew up with a lot of pressure to be perferct, or at least appear that way, and it's taken me a long time to even recognize how much that affects me, let alone to try to do something about it.

Since I've started applying to medical school everytime I turn around, I find out that my mom is telling someone about her daughter, the doctor to be. It drives me crazy. I specifically took time off after college to give myself time to figure out if I was going into medicine because it was right for me or because that's what seemed to impress other people. So now that I am applying, having my mom brag about it makes me really uncomfortable. But worse than that, if I don't get in I keep having these visions of my mom hanging her head in shame and trying to mumble some excuse on my behalf to all of those people she was bragging to. This process can be brutal, but it's downright demoralizing when your failures are shared with and judged by people whom you value, and even some you don't.

But the important thing to remember is that this process is not in any way a reflection on you. We've all heard the story of at least one amazing, perfect candidate who got rejected for reasons no one understands. Sure someone's application may not be ideal, and that may be hurting him or her, but we all have mistakes in our past that we have to explain at some point or other. And no one, and I mean no one can actually be perfect, and those who appear to be so scare me. I've found that it's usually a sign that something really dangerous is lurking underneath the surface. I know a girl who got interviews at seven schools with as many acceptances. She looks fabulous on paper and knows how to put on the right show, but my god, she's got serious inner problems. If I saw that "perfect" candidate one day as my future doctor, I'd run screaming.

So yes, rejection hurts ... a lot. Let it. Give yourself permission and time to feel like crap and recognize where you could use improvement. But then let go of it, fix what you can, and move on. And be proud of what you have accomplished. Your MCAT score is amazing, and I'm willing to bet your GPA is nothing to be ashamed of. Plus, I'm guessing your academics and scores are not the only good things or even the best things about who you are.

It is hard to deal with the added pressure of feeling you've disappointed your family, and you can't write that off easily. But if you can, seek some support from outside sources, and try to give yourself room to not be perfect. Recognizing that others' expectations were both unrealistic and unfair helped me a lot.

I believe that you hit the nail on the head.

To the OP: you are not your parents. Make up your own mind about what makes you happy. If it makes you happy to retake the MCAT, then study your butt off and take it. If not, don't sweat it, and reapply next year to a broader range of schools.

(and congrats on that 14 in physical sciences, dang! you sure beat me!)
 
I ate lunch with my dad yesterday, and he said that it would be no shame if I have to reapply next year. He said that he took the college entrance exam twice before he got into to the Seoul University. He told me that I need to retake my MCAT ( 14-PS, 8-VR, 11-BS). One of his friends' son who is in the Cornell Medical School told him that any section less than 10 is pretty much due for a failure. Now, my dad is harping me to retaek the MCAT and do much better. Also, during the evening, my mother pretty much reiterated the same thing. So I guess the pressure is off me for at least this year since my parents and their friends think I should reapply. Oh well, just wanted to get this out in the open. I felt like a total disgrace hearing this...

Don't forget to use two clamps and cut between them.
 
I ate lunch with my dad yesterday, and he said that it would be no shame if I have to reapply next year. He said that he took the college entrance exam twice before he got into to the Seoul University. He told me that I need to retake my MCAT ( 14-PS, 8-VR, 11-BS). One of his friends' son who is in the Cornell Medical School told him that any section less than 10 is pretty much due for a failure. Now, my dad is harping me to retaek the MCAT and do much better. Also, during the evening, my mother pretty much reiterated the same thing. So I guess the pressure is off me for at least this year since my parents and their friends think I should reapply. Oh well, just wanted to get this out in the open. I felt like a total disgrace hearing this...


You know, I'm sure your IQ is higher than mine and that you are much smarter by any objective measure (I was the "Dumbest Resident at Duke" TM-2007 Panda Bear, MD). I know you got better grades at every stage of your life and you are probably a lot better qualified for medical school than I ever was but you are also kind of dumb.

Just apply to some "low-tier" schools. Come on. Don't be squeamish. It makes no difference where you go to medical school except that yer' parents can't brag that their daughter is at Harvard.

Take the friggin' MCAT again. Apply to the same "top-tier" schools but include some of the ones where the rest of us ******s go.
 
do three points really make that much of a difference? I have same overall MCAT and similar GPA numbers, but I had no intention of retaking the MCAT - and I would like to keep it that way, given Quix's point above - do you really think you couldn't have gotten in without retaking?

I think that there is a big difference between 33 and 36 when you're talking about the upper tier schools (perhaps top 25?), where the median combined MCAT is anywhere from 34 to 36 (darn you, WashU). With my GPA well below the median GPA, I think having the MCAT above the median really helped to offset the GPA a little. I also knew that I was much more capable in the bio section than my 10 indicated, so I decided to retake. I don't know what would have happened had I applied with a 33, but I doubt I would have gotten the three interviews I've had or the one acceptance.
 
I think that there is a big difference between 33 and 36 when you're talking about the upper tier schools (perhaps top 25?), where the median combined MCAT is anywhere from 34 to 36 (darn you, WashU). With my GPA well below the median GPA, I think having the MCAT above the median really helped to offset the GPA a little. I also knew that I was much more capable in the bio section than my 10 indicated, so I decided to retake. I don't know what would have happened had I applied with a 33, but I doubt I would have gotten the three interviews I've had or the one acceptance.

Yeah a 33 and a 36 is much different because a 33 is about 88th-90th percentile while 35+ is in the 95+%ile range. That's a difference of 5-7 percentile points higher. However, I'd argue that the 2 percentile point difference between something like a 35 and 37 is not that big in the long run unless all else is equal and usually you can't say all else is equal because 2 candidates may be very different in terms of extracurriculars, essays, etc.

That said, the original poster only should retake if she can be like people like LMS6 who got a 33 and then a 37 or 38 when he retook it. If you are not going to get that big of a difference in your score and you are scoring roughly the same there's no point in retaking so much as there is reapplying and to a broader range of schools. Also, if your ECs are week perhaps you should brush up on your clinical and volunteer experiences or do research for a year at the NIH IRTA program and get a publication if you can.

But remember there's no guarantees that the score alone will make that big of a difference. I have a friend who will attend Weill Cornell in the fall. He's got less then a 35 but above a 30 on his MCAT and a stellar GPA from a not so big name school. But he set himself apart by doing a lot of research and leadership/volunteer experiences that set him apart. Meanwhile I have friends with 33-36 MCAT scores who so far have only gotten in at some of the state schools here but not had much luck at the big name schools due to their lack of research and other extracurriculars.

So assess what's weak in your application besides an 8 in VR of the MCAT.
 
I ate lunch with my dad yesterday, and he said that it would be no shame if I have to reapply next year. He said that he took the college entrance exam twice before he got into to the Seoul University. He told me that I need to retake my MCAT ( 14-PS, 8-VR, 11-BS). One of his friends' son who is in the Cornell Medical School told him that any section less than 10 is pretty much due for a failure. Now, my dad is harping me to retaek the MCAT and do much better. Also, during the evening, my mother pretty much reiterated the same thing. So I guess the pressure is off me for at least this year since my parents and their friends think I should reapply. Oh well, just wanted to get this out in the open. I felt like a total disgrace hearing this...

Go anywhere you can and don't let it get to you... After I'm out of the Carribean, I'll have the word M.D. after my name (it's all the same). A good doctor is one who studies hard and has motivation. Most of the schools will prep your for the USMLE and that is the moment of truth...Also, have your parents take the MCAT before you retake it. I'll trade you scores... The MCAT forms are too unpredictable and you don't want to score worse the second time, and potential lower your 14 Physcial to a 12, etc.
 
lol i hate you byong_soo, u should hook me up with all those pretty korean girls.

When you become a doctor your getting a Korean girl wouldn't be a problem 😉
 
Granted you did get an 8 in VR, your overall score was a 33 (a great score). From your typing, I'm gonna assume English is a comfortable language for you. How'd you do on practice tests? If you really think you can pull a 10+ then go for it. If not, don't worry because you don't need a 10+ on every section to get into medical school. Also, keep in mind your other sections are great and there's a chance they might decrease next time.

How's the rest of your app? If there's something you can really improve in the next year (e.g. volunteer time, shadowing, research --> publication), I'd go for those first. Also, don't get all picky with the rank of the schools that you might want to hear good news from. How many schools did you apply to?

A ton of people here will testify that you don't need a 10 on every section to get into medical school, myself included. (9 Bio!) My sister's actually at Cornell Med (4th year), and she told me to apply with my scores.

Good luck with the rest of the cycle! Hopefully, you don't have to worry about this.

I have about 3.7 something BCPM and 3.8 something overall. I have done research for the past year and half, worked part-time for six months, volunteered at a local clinic and children's hospital for ~ 6 months. With all this, I have to note that that I am a late applicant: I was an August-MCATer, submitted my primary in late September, and then, completed my secondaries in Oct and Nov. I applied to 11 schools and seven of those are Cali schools. I have received an interview from UCI, put on "hold" at UC Davis, and rejected from UCSD and all the Ivies except Dartmouth.
 
I have about 3.7 something BCPM and 3.8 something overall. I have done research for the past year and half, worked part-time for six months, volunteered at a local clinic and children's hospital for ~ 6 months. With all this, I have to note that that I am a late applicant: I was an August-MCATer, submitted my primary in late September, and then, completed my secondaries in Oct and Nov. I applied to 11 schools and seven of those are Cali schools. I have received an interview from UCI, put on "hold" at UC Davis, and rejected from UCSD and all the Ivies except Dartmouth.

That's where you went wrong. You didn't apply to enough schools and you applied late. My recommendation to you is to apply EARLY and BROADLY next time.

I'd also say that you might want to enhance your extracurriculars either by doing something like medical mission trips or doing the NIH IRTA or other such unique experiences like that which may make you stand out. Your numbers are stellar enough to get you in someplace including some top 20's but you are better off if you throw in a fewer lower tier schools in there as well instead of applying only to the top 20 kind of schools.
 
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