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How big of a deal is "URM Status"?

Discussion in 'Pre-Medical - MD' started by bluesTank, Apr 26, 2007.

  1. bluesTank

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    I know there is a URM board, but I asked a question a few weeks ago and basically got no answers.

    I have just recently started hearing about this URM concept. I am Hispanic, and am applying for 08 admission. I would say I have pretty ok stats, but I am taking the MCAT may 16 and things aren't looking to good right now. My highest VR score has been an 8 and I can't get it much higher, while my sciences are around 10-12 each...

    So how big of a deal is it to be classified as a URM just in general in the whole app process. Is it taken into account pre/post interview?

    Thanks!
     
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  3. sirus_virus

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    So big a deal that this thread is going to reach 5 pages in 1 hour.
     
  4. gotmeds?

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    :laugh: I think that's a conservative estimate.
     
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    It's so big of a deal, they made a board just for it ... :laugh:
     
  6. bluesTank

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    I'm aware, but I just wanted a straight answer. Not many people visit the URM board... like will medical schools be more willing to overlook a low score (like VR). I guess this was kind of a broad question, but I just am looking for some hope :laugh:

    thanks
     
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    check the URM box and find out. it's not like it can hurt...
     
  8. Law2Doc

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    Well, the point of separating things off into other boards is to target the audience appropriately. You will perhaps get more responses on here, but the discussion will probably deteriorate much faster.
     
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    URM Status helps, there is no question about it. It helps because it is the AAMC's desire to increase the amount of minority doctors that will eventually treat more minority patients. But you can't breeze into medical school riding only on your URM status. Work hard, and apply. From what you are saying, if you got the maximum scores from your test scores, meaning: PS-11, BS-12, VR-8=31 MCAT, you would be good whether you were a URM or not, especially if you have a good GPA (3.6+). Just do your best, and apply. Let the admissions committee folks worry about how to use the fact that you are a minority. Most schools only have about 10 spots per class for minorities anyway, so you would be competing for a small amount of spots (LLU M1 class had 4 black people in a class of 185). Do your best is my advice.
     
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    Also, below is a list of the URM threads that have been started in case you want to do more research:

    Underrepresented Minorities Get in Easier: UNFAIR: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=332544
    MCRI battles AA in Michigan: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=331226
    AA totally out of control?:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=324769
    Who agrees with affirmative action?:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=323889
    Amazing URM fact-oid:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=306866
    So when do the less qualified people get invites?:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=315055
    Diversity in Med School:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=262097
    Howard, Moorehouse, and Meharry SOM'S....low GPAs?:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=309219
    affirmative action thread:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=46604
    what is URM?:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=306827
    URM Status:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=12020
    URM status:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=286946
    You thought we have it bad. Check this out:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=286302
    What is the advantge to being an URM when applying?:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=285817
    whats the difference between ethnicity and race?:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=283152
    native american-how much blood to be considered URM?:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=281362
    URM acceptance rates – confused:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=270608
    My Skin Is 'White,' but I'm Gonna Claim URM Status. Any Thoughts?:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=274301
    Hispanic Applicants and AA:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=235379
    URM benefits???:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=239656
    Someone is getting into these schools with below-average scores...:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=235599
    AA in med:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=235528
    Do you think it is wrong to put myself down as a minority?:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=234632
    ethnicity a factor in acceptance?:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=234441
    Does being hispanic help?:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=233933
    Asians: ORM= really bad news?:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=221780
    Who's this African American URM?:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=221853
    Someone is getting into these schools with below-average scores...:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=235599
    Affirmative Action - Med School Admis:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=215366
    Minority Acceptance:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=208025
    Affirmative Action!!:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=203685
    Affirmative Action in Medical Schools?:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=203601
    Minorities in med school:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=190172
    "Let Asians compete freely with white students.":http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=70922
    Affirmative Action Again!!!:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=186948
    Disadvantage if Asian-American male?:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=182886
    Interesting aa article (NYTIMES):http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=179526
    Affirmative action:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=175977
    Marginalization of average white males:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=174092
    Under-represented groups:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=173587
    affirmative action:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=168516
    Reverse affirmative action?:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=165859
    Message to all Pre-Meds regarding AA:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=162406
    does 1/4 URM count?:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=159790
    Diversity disappointment:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=155920
    Am I URM?:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=151874
    Study: Too few minorities in health care:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=150933
    AA - thoughts on overrepresentation as well:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=141039
    More on Affirmative Action:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=132594
    A note about Affirmative action:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=134799
    It's sad to be asian:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=134683
    Not just another Affirmative Action thread.:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=133164
    Underrepresented in Medicine and the ethnicity breakdown in the US:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=119146
    Some asians may have a legit reason to want URM status but...:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=119131
    Affirmative Action and Diversity in Admissions:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=95471
    "Underrepresented":http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=116785
    Affirmative Action and Med School Application:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=111772
    reply about the "problems with asians" thread:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=85539
    Another thought on Affirmative Action:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=102358
    Afirmative Action and its place in MEDICINE!:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=102533
    Why Is an Affirmative Action Debate Moved From Pre-Allo:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=102369
    for URMs (and ORMs) : serious discussion.:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=53999
    The Problem with AA:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=96949
    AA: Why does everyone get so worked up?:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=96133
    Affirmative Action:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=95297
    I don't Want To Start Another War on Here But Guys I Was Just Checking Out Stats...:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=86457
    Affirmative Action:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=87760
    Historically Black Medical Schools:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=78969
    why do we have AA for grad school??:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=76640
    retire affirmative action thread?:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=75569
    Why Asian American Students Succeed:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=74452
    We are neglecting the meaningful questions relating to AA:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=74149
    The official AAAAAA thread:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=74168
    An ORM who sides with the URM folks.:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=71199
    Rallying my fellow URMs:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=68499
    AA the thread to end all threads....:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=73478
    AA and nonURM minorities:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=73161
    If you like/dislike AA, watch Dateline RIGHT NOW:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=71384
    AA Solution? Need feedback.:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=71935
    Sobering realities and statistics of AA:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=71823
    Why URM's should NOT worry about the Supreme Courts' decision.:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=70811
    Why Are Black Students Lagging?:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=71103
    Applying Disadvantaged- Affirmative Action for UC Schools?:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=68067
    Why do WHITES complain about AA???:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=66957
    Rich URM's vs. poor whites and Asians:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=65768
    AAMC president on diversity:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=67316
    Why is diversity of ethnicity sooo important?:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=66935
    A solution to selection by race...Individualism:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=65919
    An Alternative to AA:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=66037
    I am sick of people complaining about AA and URMs:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=65889
    Minorities in Medicine:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=62673
    am I a URM?:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=61718
    Ignore Affirmative Action:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=46603
    Why do non-URM envy the so-called "advantage" the URM have for admissions?:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=48465
    CNN AA Poll:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=56293
    What are your most recent feeling towards the debate about Affirmative Action?come in:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=56307
    Chances as a ORM??? UGHHH:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=53809
    underepresented minority edge:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=51799
    U.Michigan: Lack of Diversity?:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=45309
    revealing ethnic identity:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=43576
    Do Adcoms compare GPAs and MCATs by URM status?:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=320954
    RACISM, Foriegn MED Students/Doctors and the REASON's WHY:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=317813
    Different playing field for URMs: MCAT and GPA:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=313272
    Justification to admit URMs:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=313510
    opinion on URM..repeat? dont care:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=372527
     
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    Without knowing if your number is correct, it leads me to this point: When you apply to a med school with, say, 100 spots, you are not competing for one of 100 spots. You are categorized according to your gender, race, residency status, etc., and are competing for a much smaller number of spots...

    Example: So say out of the 100 spots, say you are a white, out of state femaie. So say URM spots have been set aside for 7 people...and MD/PHD get 5 spots...take the remainder (88) and assume 50 percent females, divide by two to get to 44, then apply the OOS percentage of say 30 percent, and you realize that you are applying not for one of 100 spots, but one of 13 spots for non-URM, non-MD/PHD, out of state females.

    Supply your own math, but when you look at it this way, it is pretty shocking how many "shots" an individual has at a spot in the class...the killer in my example is, of course, out of state numbers, but still the point I am trying to make is whether it is URMs, or MD/PHDs, or protected in-staters, in reality you are competing for a very small number of spots in medical school.
     
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    hmm, according to that data I have a Puerto Rican GPA and a hyper-white MCAT score.

    we should abolish all numbers and report our scores in "skin colors" instead! It's a new era of political correctness!
     
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    At most schools the male/female non-underrepresented minority in medicine status (e.g. white/asian/jewish) admission rate is dictated by the proportion and quality of applicants. Thus if more average-MCAT average-GPA white females apply they're competing against better-than-average-MCAT better-than-average-GPA white males. State status doesn't matter at private schools, which everyone knows are the only schools worth going to.
     
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    It's a pretty big deal. Let's leave it at that.
     
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    "Most schools only have about 10 spots per class for minorities anyway, so you would be competing for a small amount of spots"

    I really don't think that most schools set aside only a certain number of spots for minority applicants. i don't think that if 20 minority applicants had 40 MCAT/4.0 GPA (extreme example i know...just to prove a point) and had perfect ECs and interviews , 10 would be rejected because the school only wanted 10 URMs. To use less of a hyperbole, I don't think med schools would turn down qualified applicants who claimed minority status just because they had already filled their allotted 10 minority spots. Granted, I do believe that the whole admission process is chaos and qualified candidates sometimes don't get in to schools. I think the small amt of URMs in most medical schools (which is usually more than 10 if you add blacks/hispanics in most schools) owes more to the fact that there aren't that many URM applicants in the first place and has less to do with a certain golden number of URMs the medical schools set out to achieve. however, I would just like to say great work in compiling a list of all of the URM pertinent information for med school admissions...i'm sure it will often proves helpful.
     
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    About as big as your tuition bill :p
     

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