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How big of a deal is "URM Status"?

Discussion in 'Pre-Medical - MD' started by bluesTank, Apr 26, 2007.

  1. bluesTank

    bluesTank Zombie 5+ Year Member

    Feb 2, 2007
    College Station, TX
    I know there is a URM board, but I asked a question a few weeks ago and basically got no answers.

    I have just recently started hearing about this URM concept. I am Hispanic, and am applying for 08 admission. I would say I have pretty ok stats, but I am taking the MCAT may 16 and things aren't looking to good right now. My highest VR score has been an 8 and I can't get it much higher, while my sciences are around 10-12 each...

    So how big of a deal is it to be classified as a URM just in general in the whole app process. Is it taken into account pre/post interview?

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  3. sirus_virus

    sirus_virus nonsense poster 2+ Year Member

    Nov 6, 2006
    So big a deal that this thread is going to reach 5 pages in 1 hour.
  4. gotmeds?

    gotmeds? 5+ Year Member

    Oct 9, 2006
    :laugh: I think that's a conservative estimate.
  5. Dr.Inviz

    Dr.Inviz Banned Banned

    Oct 1, 2006
    It's so big of a deal, they made a board just for it ... :laugh:
  6. bluesTank

    bluesTank Zombie 5+ Year Member

    Feb 2, 2007
    College Station, TX
    I'm aware, but I just wanted a straight answer. Not many people visit the URM board... like will medical schools be more willing to overlook a low score (like VR). I guess this was kind of a broad question, but I just am looking for some hope :laugh:

  7. pennybridge

    pennybridge Banned Banned

    Oct 13, 2006
    check the URM box and find out. it's not like it can hurt...
  8. Law2Doc

    Law2Doc 5K+ Member Physician Moderator Emeritus 10+ Year Member

    Dec 20, 2004
    Well, the point of separating things off into other boards is to target the audience appropriately. You will perhaps get more responses on here, but the discussion will probably deteriorate much faster.
  9. DoctaJay

    DoctaJay bone breaker Moderator Emeritus 10+ Year Member

    Jan 23, 2005
    San Diego
    URM Status helps, there is no question about it. It helps because it is the AAMC's desire to increase the amount of minority doctors that will eventually treat more minority patients. But you can't breeze into medical school riding only on your URM status. Work hard, and apply. From what you are saying, if you got the maximum scores from your test scores, meaning: PS-11, BS-12, VR-8=31 MCAT, you would be good whether you were a URM or not, especially if you have a good GPA (3.6+). Just do your best, and apply. Let the admissions committee folks worry about how to use the fact that you are a minority. Most schools only have about 10 spots per class for minorities anyway, so you would be competing for a small amount of spots (LLU M1 class had 4 black people in a class of 185). Do your best is my advice.
  10. DoctaJay

    DoctaJay bone breaker Moderator Emeritus 10+ Year Member

    Jan 23, 2005
    San Diego
    Also, below is a list of the URM threads that have been started in case you want to do more research:

    Underrepresented Minorities Get in Easier: UNFAIR:
    MCRI battles AA in Michigan:
    AA totally out of control?:
    Who agrees with affirmative action?:
    Amazing URM fact-oid:
    So when do the less qualified people get invites?:
    Diversity in Med School:
    Howard, Moorehouse, and Meharry SOM'S....low GPAs?:
    affirmative action thread:
    what is URM?:
    URM Status:
    URM status:
    You thought we have it bad. Check this out:
    What is the advantge to being an URM when applying?:
    whats the difference between ethnicity and race?:
    native american-how much blood to be considered URM?:
    URM acceptance rates – confused:
    My Skin Is 'White,' but I'm Gonna Claim URM Status. Any Thoughts?:
    Hispanic Applicants and AA:
    URM benefits???:
    Someone is getting into these schools with below-average scores...:
    AA in med:
    Do you think it is wrong to put myself down as a minority?:
    ethnicity a factor in acceptance?:
    Does being hispanic help?:
    Asians: ORM= really bad news?:
    Who's this African American URM?:
    Someone is getting into these schools with below-average scores...:
    Affirmative Action - Med School Admis:
    Minority Acceptance:
    Affirmative Action!!:
    Affirmative Action in Medical Schools?:
    Minorities in med school:
    "Let Asians compete freely with white students.":
    Affirmative Action Again!!!:
    Disadvantage if Asian-American male?:
    Interesting aa article (NYTIMES):
    Affirmative action:
    Marginalization of average white males:
    Under-represented groups:
    affirmative action:
    Reverse affirmative action?:
    Message to all Pre-Meds regarding AA:
    does 1/4 URM count?:
    Diversity disappointment:
    Am I URM?:
    Study: Too few minorities in health care:
    AA - thoughts on overrepresentation as well:
    More on Affirmative Action:
    A note about Affirmative action:
    It's sad to be asian:
    Not just another Affirmative Action thread.:
    Underrepresented in Medicine and the ethnicity breakdown in the US:
    Some asians may have a legit reason to want URM status but...:
    Affirmative Action and Diversity in Admissions:
    Affirmative Action and Med School Application:
    reply about the "problems with asians" thread:
    Another thought on Affirmative Action:
    Afirmative Action and its place in MEDICINE!:
    Why Is an Affirmative Action Debate Moved From Pre-Allo:
    for URMs (and ORMs) : serious discussion.:
    The Problem with AA:
    AA: Why does everyone get so worked up?:
    Affirmative Action:
    I don't Want To Start Another War on Here But Guys I Was Just Checking Out Stats...:
    Affirmative Action:
    Historically Black Medical Schools:
    why do we have AA for grad school??:
    retire affirmative action thread?:
    Why Asian American Students Succeed:
    We are neglecting the meaningful questions relating to AA:
    The official AAAAAA thread:
    An ORM who sides with the URM folks.:
    Rallying my fellow URMs:
    AA the thread to end all threads....:
    AA and nonURM minorities:
    If you like/dislike AA, watch Dateline RIGHT NOW:
    AA Solution? Need feedback.:
    Sobering realities and statistics of AA:
    Why URM's should NOT worry about the Supreme Courts' decision.:
    Why Are Black Students Lagging?:
    Applying Disadvantaged- Affirmative Action for UC Schools?:
    Why do WHITES complain about AA???:
    Rich URM's vs. poor whites and Asians:
    AAMC president on diversity:
    Why is diversity of ethnicity sooo important?:
    A solution to selection by race...Individualism:
    An Alternative to AA:
    I am sick of people complaining about AA and URMs:
    Minorities in Medicine:
    am I a URM?:
    Ignore Affirmative Action:
    Why do non-URM envy the so-called "advantage" the URM have for admissions?:
    CNN AA Poll:
    What are your most recent feeling towards the debate about Affirmative Action?come in:
    Chances as a ORM??? UGHHH:
    underepresented minority edge:
    U.Michigan: Lack of Diversity?:
    revealing ethnic identity:
    Do Adcoms compare GPAs and MCATs by URM status?:
    RACISM, Foriegn MED Students/Doctors and the REASON's WHY:
    Different playing field for URMs: MCAT and GPA:
    Justification to admit URMs:
    opinion on URM..repeat? dont care:
  11. postbacker

    postbacker Banned Banned

    Mar 27, 2007
    Without knowing if your number is correct, it leads me to this point: When you apply to a med school with, say, 100 spots, you are not competing for one of 100 spots. You are categorized according to your gender, race, residency status, etc., and are competing for a much smaller number of spots...

    Example: So say out of the 100 spots, say you are a white, out of state femaie. So say URM spots have been set aside for 7 people...and MD/PHD get 5 spots...take the remainder (88) and assume 50 percent females, divide by two to get to 44, then apply the OOS percentage of say 30 percent, and you realize that you are applying not for one of 100 spots, but one of 13 spots for non-URM, non-MD/PHD, out of state females.

    Supply your own math, but when you look at it this way, it is pretty shocking how many "shots" an individual has at a spot in the class...the killer in my example is, of course, out of state numbers, but still the point I am trying to make is whether it is URMs, or MD/PHDs, or protected in-staters, in reality you are competing for a very small number of spots in medical school.
  12. Sinfekl

    Sinfekl 2+ Year Member

    Apr 10, 2007
  13. pennybridge

    pennybridge Banned Banned

    Oct 13, 2006
    hmm, according to that data I have a Puerto Rican GPA and a hyper-white MCAT score.

    we should abolish all numbers and report our scores in "skin colors" instead! It's a new era of political correctness!
  14. soeagerun2or

    soeagerun2or Banned Banned 2+ Year Member

    Sep 27, 2006
    At most schools the male/female non-underrepresented minority in medicine status (e.g. white/asian/jewish) admission rate is dictated by the proportion and quality of applicants. Thus if more average-MCAT average-GPA white females apply they're competing against better-than-average-MCAT better-than-average-GPA white males. State status doesn't matter at private schools, which everyone knows are the only schools worth going to.
  15. BigRedPremed

    BigRedPremed Senior Member 7+ Year Member

    Jul 20, 2005
    It's a pretty big deal. Let's leave it at that.
  16. EBI831

    EBI831 legend in the making 7+ Year Member

    Apr 18, 2006
    Chi-town royalty
    "Most schools only have about 10 spots per class for minorities anyway, so you would be competing for a small amount of spots"

    I really don't think that most schools set aside only a certain number of spots for minority applicants. i don't think that if 20 minority applicants had 40 MCAT/4.0 GPA (extreme example i know...just to prove a point) and had perfect ECs and interviews , 10 would be rejected because the school only wanted 10 URMs. To use less of a hyperbole, I don't think med schools would turn down qualified applicants who claimed minority status just because they had already filled their allotted 10 minority spots. Granted, I do believe that the whole admission process is chaos and qualified candidates sometimes don't get in to schools. I think the small amt of URMs in most medical schools (which is usually more than 10 if you add blacks/hispanics in most schools) owes more to the fact that there aren't that many URM applicants in the first place and has less to do with a certain golden number of URMs the medical schools set out to achieve. however, I would just like to say great work in compiling a list of all of the URM pertinent information for med school admissions...i'm sure it will often proves helpful.
  17. Kfire326

    Kfire326 7+ Year Member

    Mar 2, 2007
    About as big as your tuition bill :p

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