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hello,,i wanna know how can i have combined M.D in pediatrics form US ,is there certain requirement,,i'm international student,
 

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smsm said:
hello,,i wanna know how can i have combined M.D in pediatrics form US ,is there certain requirement,,i'm international student,
I don't know what a "combined M.D. in pediatrics" is. Perhaps someone else does?
 

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You'll need to go to medical school, in the US or abroad, and complete a 3- year pedicatrics residency. If you are an international, you will need a visa, either a J-1 or H1-B, to legally do a residency in the US.
 
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vtrain said:
You'll need to go to medical school, in the US or abroad, and complete a 3- year pedicatrics residency. If you are an international, you will need a visa, either a J-1 or H1-B, to legally do a residency in the US.
thanks for you Vtrain,.

i've already master in pediatrics ,, so if i hope for combined MD ,i must pass USMLE steps and applying for residency wich is not sure to have it ????
SO can i've it by scholarship to ensure pediatric residency ..and how can i obtain scholarship....sorry i'm confused
 

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MD in US is an undergraduate degree* in medicine. It normally requires graduate entry but it is initial training in medicine (ie: same as MBBS or BM BCh). It is not a doctoral research degree like a MD would be in systems based on the British system (ie: most of world). If you are already a doctor you have no need (and indeed could not) take a MD degree in US as you'd be just be repeating your basic undergraduate medical training. The different nomenclature is just a result of US degree inflation (initial training in law even gets you a "doctoral" degree in US) to go with the grade inflation - but the rest of the world should really change now to MD for primary medical training too to elimiinate any confusion. If you want to do postgraduate pediatric research in US do a PhD, if you want to do postgraduate clinical training in pediatrics then do a residency (you'll need to take USMLE exams first though).

Hope this makes things clear.




* pedants please note - this is an defined academic term with a specific meaning - which is the form in which I use it here. Doctoral degrees should represent, by definition, a significant contribution to knowledge in a field by research - not just going to classes and clinical rotations! To get an MD in rest of the world represents that a) you are a doctor already and b) you have completed 2-3yrs of research after qualifying as a doctor.
Umm...the "most of the world" does not follow the British system.

Among Commonwealth countries, Canada shares the system with the U.S. (fitting as it was in part Canadian physicians that helped design the U.S. system).

In addition, continental European countries do not follow the British system. They award their own medical degrees, many of which translate directly to M.D. (or J.D. in the case of law).
 

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Waiting4Ganong said:
From the top of my head I know that China, India, Australia, South Africa, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Kenya, Nigeria, Egypt, Jordan, Ireland, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Zimbabwe, and UK all graduate doctors with Bachelor degrees (MBBS or equiv.). I'd bet you'd find these countries produce most of worlds doctors...

In academic terms this is correct usage (first study in subject of medicine with no significant research contribution = bachelor not doctoral) but practically they should still change so as to have a standard term for all medical graduates (and there is zero chance of getting US schools to admit to vanity of "professional doctoral degrees" and start awarding MBBS).

There are moves afoot to do this. London University has renamed its two year post medical school research degree from MD to MD(Res). This then clears the way to start giving MD degrees as a primary medical qualification.

All this is just semantics though and probably accounts for the OPs confusion!!! :laugh:


thanks for you(Waiting4Ganong)

actually it's now clear for me ,,but realy i wanna advice ,,, as i say i had finished master degree in pediatrics,,, wich is better to do now as postgraduate study in my career..PHD from the states ,, MRCPCH,,or starting USMLE study for the board ,,,for me i'm intersting for clinical practise and so towards board .but as i know they say that my chance to have residency is soo far as i'm foreign doctor ..so what's the advice from the proffesions
 

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hello,, proffesions

actually i need favor from medical doctors especially pediatricions who are had finishined the board or whom still resident,,, my demand is anyone allow me to e.mail him as i wanna know the system for clinical pediatric in the states and in the residency years ,,and give me help for all the inquires about that way as i wanna to take my descion for that step,,,, actually iwanna know more data to be clear and go on that challenge,,,,thanks for concern
 

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I am still confused and don't know what to answer to the OPs question. Maybe he/she could clear some things up:

Have you graduated from a medical school ?

Have you been licensed/registered in your home country to practice medicine without restrictions ?

Have you gone through a program of post-graduate medical education in pediatrics (by working as a physician under supervision in a hospital environment taking care of sick kids) ?

If I understand what you are and what you want, maybe I (and others here) can give you a helpful answer.

(lets leave the silly semantics about MD MBBS and the like aside for a while)
 

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hello.F W

actually i had mentioned in the previous discussion that i've finished master degree in pediatric in my home country as i considered here specialist ,,also i'm lincesed as medical doctor , had 4 years expereince in almost all pediatric subspecialties,,,the next step is to continue my postgraduate study after master wich restricted between MRCPCH OR american BOARD ,,,i prefer to have the board degree as it allow practice ,,,,,....i hope my situation is clear now,,,,thanks for sharing me and sorry for conusion
 

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Ok.

So, in order to practice as a pediatrician in the US and take the american boards, you will have to do following things:

-- Take USMLE step1, USMLE step2ck (can be done in your home country)
Come to the US and take USMLE step2cs (a hands on exam)

-- Obtain certification by the educational commission for foreign medical graduates.

-- Apply for a residency program in pediatrics.

-- Do 3 years of pediatric residency.

-- Register for the exam administered by the american board of pediatrics.

-- Pass this exam.
 

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smsm said:
hello,,i wanna know how can i have combined M.D in pediatrics form US ,is there certain requirement,,i'm international student,
i dnt know abt the US but yes there is a medical college in bishkek,kyrgystan...which offers a six year course MD included...the college boasts its system is based on the UK.. :confused:
 

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i dnt know abt the US but yes there is a medical college in bishkek,kyrgystan...which offers a six year course MD included...the college boasts its system is based on the UK.. :confused:
I think that anyone apart from natives considering Kyrgyzstan (given the present political situation there) for their medical schooling needs to have their head examined. In addition, there is no way medical schooling there approximates that offered in the UK. Simply look at economic indicators.
 

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Miklos said:
I think that anyone considering Kyrgyzstan (considering the present political situation there) for their medical schooling needs to have their head examined. In addition, there is no way medical schooling there approximates that offered in the UK. Simply look at economic indicators.
check this site its really funny.....1500$per year ....uk system of education :laugh:ksmu
 
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