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How competitive am I? I am worried

Discussion in 'Pre-Medical - MD' started by MedQuest, Jun 21, 2002.

  1. MedQuest

    MedQuest Da Truth
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    How competitive would you say that i am because my gpa is not all that high. Its a 3.47 but i see people with 3.7 and above. I am going to take the mcat in august and i'm studying really hard. I played Division 1 football and was wondering if that helps because i really had a rigorous practice schedule. I have also shadowed a doctor?
     
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  3. oldman

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    doing sports is a bonus because it shows dedication and hard work.

    study hard for those mcats

    when are you applying?
     
  4. MedQuest

    MedQuest Da Truth
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    I am going to apply this year. I'm also a URM. What are my chances?
     
  5. MedQuest

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    Are you a premed oldman
     
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    in about 55 days i will no longer be pre-med
     
  7. oldman

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by MedQuest:
    <strong>I am going to apply this year. I'm also a URM. What are my chances?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">i think the average of people getting into med school is around 3.5

    thus you are a little below average.

    the main thing is that grades aren't everything. when you apply, promote your uniqueness. i doubt there are many DI football players applying to med school.
     
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    you need to try to bring up your GPA and do some extracurriculars geared towards health care, research, community service, etc. i think you need more clinical experience. along with the grades.
     
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    I would say your chances are good. A report from the admissions office at Stanford was posted in another thread which gave information on average GPA for URM's. According to the report, the average GPA for URM's accepted to Stanford was 3.59 in 2001, compared to 3.78 for non-minorities. The report also gave the average GPA for all URM's accepted to any medical school as 3.41, so your GPA is above the national average for accepted URM's.

    Good luck
     
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    It's possible to get in with a lower-than-average GPA. My overall GPA is around 3.6, but my BCPM GPA is only 3.3. (I got into four schools in California.) And I agree that your D1 football career will really make you stand out. But you should definitely kick the snot out of the MCAT.
     
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    Your GPA is 3.47 but can you supply your science and non-science breakdown? Your major? Your GPA is good, just make sure you continue getting good grades and try to bring it up as much as possible.

    Putting aside your GPA your main focus should be the quality and duration of your extracurricular activities and MCAT scores:

    1. Make sure that you can get a good letter of rec. from the doctor you're shadowing or place you're volunteering at. Also make sure that you can do it for a long period of time (more than 6 months). It won't help you to have tons of ECs if you only do them for a couple months. Clinical volunteer work is extremely important, so make sure you have can supply the person you worked under and their relevant contact info.

    2. Try to break a 30 on the MCAT if you can (if you can do better, then by all means !)...also, try to achieve a balanced score, not some 6,12,12 because a BALANCED score is looked on upon more favorably than simply a good overal composite.
    Start studying right now and purchase the Princeton or Kaplan Review materials and do as much of their material as possible. The first month you should spend reviewing all of your sciences and doing some verbal passages, the last month or so (given the time you have for the August MCAT) spend most of your time doing full-lenght diagnostic exams. Remember to go back and correct your deficiencies in whatever subjects you have problems with. Try to spend the last two weeks doing the AMCAS exams (should come with the review materials), specifically AMCAS tests 3 through 6 or 7. Basically the last two weeks you should just simply be working on your timing and test-taking techniques (not learning the material for the first time).

    I know this seems like a lot, but studying hard and pacing yourself (studying intellingently and wisely, not just hard) will pay off. Even if you don't break a 30 (your ideal) but come close to it, you should still apply. Make sure you apply to a wide variety of schools (about 25) from the best in the country to the back-ups and everything in between. Do not let others trick you into thinking that just because you're a URM that you can get in with low numbers (like a 25 MCAT or something like that), even if it happens to be the national average for URMs (it might or might not be, but I'm just saying it as an example). Your job is to apply with your absolute best numbers, period. This goes to anyone applying, URM or not. This process is very random, so it might very well be that you get in with low numbers (like a 3.4 and 28, or get rejected everywhere with a 3.6 and 30). So the key is to apply with the best that you have to offer. I wish you luck partner, take care. :)
     
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    With a 3.47, D1ball, urm, you are competitive so far..but you'll need more experience with medicine, and then the MCATs.
     
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    D1 football and a 3.47 sounds pretty darned impressive to me! what's your major? Try to break a BALANCED 30+ on the MCAT, and talk about the dedication and teamwork skills you learned from playing football in your PS--athletes seem to do fairly well in the admissions game, so good luck!
     
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    I am a biology major? anybody else with more words of wisdom.
     
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    anymore suggestions?
     
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    It all depends on what position you play and at what school. I'm not totally kidding. Actually if you are a kicker or punter I don't think that your application would have the same impression as if you were a position player.

    If you played QB you'd be golden, but any other position, especially at a D1 school, is an extraordinary EC. However, if your playing at Michigan, UCLA, Colorado, or Miami etc. it counts a hell of alot more than if you play at SUNY-Albany.

    There are several players in the NFL, or had recently retired that I remember that didn't go to med school when they got the chance to play in the league. Two that I remember specifically are Karl Mecklenberg and Lennie Friedman (both Broncos). If your athletic talant allows you even an outside chance of getting to play in Arena League, NFLEurope, or the Canadien league you'll have to think long and hard about how far you want to carry that dream. If you have even the remotest chance of getting an invitation to an NFL training camp or if you were drafted be prepared to make the decision of a lifetime.

    Keep in mind the technical standards that you have to meet to become a doctor. Not to be a weasel but in the last game of your senior season, assuming your a 173 lb. 5' 7" corner, don't take on a tight end on an end around at the goal line with good form. Take out his legs. If you play WR and your QB throws you a wobbling pass that hangs over the flat. Don't go up and get it. The technical standards aren't a joke. You don't get to go to medical school if you can't move your arms. There will be a safety bringing it on that one, you can't be a anethesiologist if your blacking out and suffering from memory loss from an old football head injury. Be careful.

    Your medical career will be the most rewarding experience of your life. Bar none. Make sure you get there. Some things to consider, it might be kinda cool to be the trainer for a pro club, or even get into sports medicine (Steadman-Hawkins have made quite a niche for themselves). You obviously have athletic prowess, consider a career in the surgical specialties. Surgeons are the Rock Stars of the medical world. There are fewer and fewer doctors going into even General Surgery every year. Match Lists have open positions at great residencies for surgical specialties. I'm assuming you'd have the hands for this art and obviously you've got the brain. Not everyone can be a neurosurgeon. Inside the head is 4 & forever every time.

    If you haven't already taken the MCAT invest the $1000-$1200 bucks in the full Kaplan course. This will be the best investment you ever make in your life. The greatest value of this course is not the review materials but the manner in which it presents the practice exams. You play how you practice.

    Kaplan makes you show on Sat. morning bright and early for 5 Saturday morning practice exams. This are full five hour exams presented in the same manner and environment as the real deal. Read: Simulates game conditions.

    Don't balk (forgive the baseball term) at the cost of the Kaplan program. You need the practice exams, you need these practice exams. Pro players like to talk about taking care of their families in their free agent negotiations, the MCAT by and large will shape your family for generations. Your medical career will allow you the opportunity to send your children and grandchildren to some of the top academic programs in the country. Their educational opportunities will never be in doubt. No matter how difficult it is to come up with the moolah for the Kaplan course find a way. Depending on the program your in I'd personally even take the money from an Alum. It's that big of a deal.

    Your scores will be considered differently than the other applicants you will be competing with. Your GPA is really good for your application. Don't sweat it. Harvard, Hopkins, and WASHU are all schools you should be seriously considering.

    The commitment and time you invested in football have dominated your undergraduate experience. It won't matter as much that you may not have lived in a lab doing research etc. (I would definitely do some research involving the team doctors. Maybe monitoring electrolytes before and after humid two a days. Pickle juice group vs. Gatorade group both running a series of 40s. Your team doctors should definitely help you in terms of shadowing and research)

    It sounds like you've worked very hard to get where your going. How you've juggled the time commitment and traveling schedule of D1 (folks this guy doesn't hardly ever make it a Friday class) is insane.

    Your going to be a much more mature and qualified candidate for it. Hang out with the team doctors the trainers. Have the AD hook you up with medical alums that support your program. Spend time with them, shadowing etc.

    Your application will be among the most competitive in the country.
     
  17. Well on a side note, my brother played TWO varsity sports for a MAJOR university (University of Oklahoma). He had a 27 MCAT and a 3.4GPA. Right now he is scraping the bottom of the barrel to get into DO school. He has research and clinicals - yet he could do no better than get on one high priority waiting list at Kirksville COM.

    Of cousre thats what you get for not being an URM. We are asians.

    On another side note - he does not seem as focused as I am or some other pre-meds. He is focused though.
     
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    MedQuest--I just PMed you <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> ...

    :)Michelys
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by MedQuest:
    <strong>anymore suggestions?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Read Jalbrekt's <a href="http://forums.studentdoctor.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=010171" target="_blank">Official Guide to getting into medical school.</a>

    I think your chances are good, given that you make a score of 27 or higher on the MCAT (aim for a 30), and that the rest of your app is strong i.e. great LOR's and a kick-ass personal statement. Make sure to apply to a wide variety of programs, lower and unranked as well as the top schools.

    You say that you are going to apply this year. You should be applying right now!! Do not wait until after you get your scores back, or even until after taking the exam. Doing so would put you way behind in the process. You need to get your app in ASAP so that you can be doing some secondaries this summer as a study break for studying for the MCAT. That way you can have your files complete at schools when the scores come out, so that your application can get reviewed as soon as possible.

    I agree with mtnbke's advice about Kaplan, although if you're not already doing it, it may be a bit late to sign up for a class. Even if you have to start late, go for it. I didn't find the actual classes all that helpful, but loved the classes on video (where they put their best teachers), so you could catch up that way. Lots and lots of practice tests are the key, and make sure you understand why you missed every question you missed.

    Best of luck to you! And welcome to SDN!! :) Finding SDN puts you way ahead of the game. :D
     
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    English Chick,

    Damn...how did you get into 4 Cali schools with that low of a Bio GPA???!?!?!
     

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