how did she get into medical school?

[superk0725]

So my gf just met a girl who goes to UCF (University of Central Florida which is often known as U Cant Fail) and has a 2.0 GPA there. But she got into medical school in the Carribean and will be a doctor in 4 years. I am not sure if I would ever want her as my doctor.
I know the Carribean school is easy, but not that easy. shocking.

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[lisa13579]

She still has to take AND pass the same boards as US med students do, so I wouldn't worry too much. And if she works hard and does well on USMLE step I and II, good for her.

 

[skypilot]

She could even continue on to do a fellowship at Hopkins and become a professor at the University of Vermont School of Medicine:

http://www.med.uvm.edu/obgyn/TB1+I+C+RL.asp?SiteAreaID=616

 

[8744]

Jeez, folks. I had a pretty low GPA but I still got into Medical school.

Give her a break. Maybe she had a couple of bad semesters begore she realized what she wanted to do in life.

 

[BushBaby]

Originally posted by Panda Bear
Jeez, folks. I had a pretty low GPA but I still got into Medical school.

Give her a break. Maybe she had a couple of bad semesters begore she realized what she wanted to do in life.

Exactly...don't make rash judgements based on one little piece of information.

When you go to CVS to fill your prescription, how do you know the pharmacist behind the counter graduated with a 2.0 or a 3.8? You don't and you don't lose sleep about it either...so relax.

 

[jlee9531]

Originally posted by BushBaby
Exactly...don't make rash judgements based on one little piece of information.

When you go to CVS to fill your prescription, how do you know the pharmacist behind the counter graduated with a 2.0 or a 3.8? You don't and you don't lose sleep about it either...so relax.

i always ask...
and nowadays i am just nontrusting anyways i dont even go to the pharmacy anymore. just common non prescripts for me!

 

[indiamacbean]

There's a kid in my class at Pitt that had less than a 2.0 gpa from undergrad. He is now near the top of the med school class. People change and I really don't think that undergrad GPA alone is a good predictor of success in medicine or medical school

 

[ocean11]

I have a question.. WHAT CARIBBEAN MEDICAL SCHOOL WAS IT?

 

[XCanadianRagwee]

Originally posted by BushBaby
When you go to CVS to fill your prescription, how do you know the pharmacist behind the counter graduated with a 2.0 or a 3.8? You don't and you don't lose sleep about it either...so relax.

I do. Whenever I'm asked "can I help you?" at any store, outting, etc. I fire back "What is your undergrad GPA?" If it's not 3.99 or above I'm taking my business elsewhere...

 

[BushBaby]

Originally posted by XCanadianRagwee
I do. Whenever I'm asked "can I help you?" at any store, outting, etc. I fire back "What is your undergrad GPA?" If it's not 3.99 or above I'm taking my business elsewhere...

LOL..you and jlee9531 are a bit warped.

 

[NE_Cornhusker1]

I expect at least a f*cking 5.0 GPA from the kid working at Blockbuster otherwise I'll go on down the street to rent 2 Fast 2 Furious. Maybe it's just sort of wierd Nebraska warping effect.

 

[XCanadianRagwee]

Originally posted by NE_Cornhusker1
I expect at least a f*cking 5.0 GPA from the kid working at Blockbuster otherwise I'll go on down the street to rent 2 Fast 2 Furious. Maybe it's just sort of wierd Nebraska warping effect.

Oh c'mon Cornhusker cut the kid some slack...He's at least trying for a 5.0 when he's high on crack...

 

[TiggidyTooth]

I expect at least a f*cking 5.0 GPA from the kid working at Blockbuster otherwise I'll go on down the street to rent 2 Fast 2 Furious. Maybe it's just sort of wierd Nebraska warping effect.

Speaking of a weird Nebraska warping effect...the mighty buff's a la colorado are going to warping Solich and company so profoundly that they're (the huskers) going to be wishing they could warp they're corn fed, wheat beer drinking butts all the way back to that miserable, backwards ass state of yours (and theirs).

I really don't think Nebraska is all that miserable, but it most definately appeals to backwards.

Peace

GO BUFFS!!

 

[XCanadianRagwee]

Originally posted by TiggidyTooth
Speaking of a weird Nebraska warping effect...the mighty buff's a la colorado are going to warping Solich and company so profoundly that they're (the huskers) going to be wishing they could warp they're corn fed, wheat beer drinking butts all the way back to that miserable, backwards ass state of yours (and theirs).

I really don't think Nebraska is all that miserable, but it most definately appeals to backwards.

Peace

GO BUFFS!!

hey buffalo burger. Shut your pie hole.

Solich is gone regardless of Friday's outcome...which will be a victory for the scarlet and cream.

When you can win a Nat'l championship without a fifth down let me know...

 

[XT777]

i think my tiny private school just spanked Colorado Buffalos BBall
94-77. : )

Also, it is niave to think that pharmacists can be evaluated on one criteria alone. A safe and competent pharmacist must have not only a 3.99+ but also be hot. Only a fool gets their perscriptions filled by unattractive pharmicists. If they don't make your pants tight, they aren't qualified to dispense...go somewhere else.

 

[XCanadianRagwee]

Originally posted by XT777
i think my tiny private school just spanked Colorado Buffalos BBall
94-77. : )

Also, it is niave to think that pharmacists can be evaluated on one criteria alone. A safe and competent pharmacist must have not only a 3.99+ but also be hot. Only a fool gets their perscriptions filled by unattractive pharmicists. If they don't make your pants tight, they aren't qualified to dispense...go somewhere else.

I completely forgot about the hotness factor. That's a huge help when I take my Viagra...

 

[TiggidyTooth]

hey buffalo burger. Shut your pie hole.

Hey scralet cream puff

days of number having shall be recipricating on that fabulous "N" all day long come Friday.

Can't wait to see some poor little husker kiddies weeping on national television again soon.

Tooth

 

[NE_Cornhusker1]

Originally posted by TiggidyTooth
Hey scralet cream puff

days of number having shall be recipricating on that fabulous "N" all day long come Friday.

Can't wait to see some poor little husker kiddies weeping on national television again soon.

Tooth

Are you some sort of elf-troll hybrid that only comes out around christmas. Or are you some dip$hit CU student to stoned to remember where your four foot purple bong you call Barney is that is sitting next to you and decided to log onto SDN instead?

 

[TiggidyTooth]

Are you some sort of elf-troll hybrid that only comes out around christmas. Or are you some dip$hit CU student to stoned to remember where your four foot purple bong you call Barney is that is sitting next to you and decided to log onto SDN instead?

Ouchy

I had no idea those stalks of corn could impede the flow of cranial juice to your frontal lobes. Such hostility towards a lowly pre-med, CU alumnus, corn stomping, lincoln berating BUFF. So ungenerous of you to accuse moi of trolling and smoking a 4 footer at the same time. And voicing it all in such an unpleasant tone. tsk tsk.

Your overgrown, pimple popping, corn-fed, country bumpkin a$$ should be utterly ashamed of conjuring up such slop. But I shall digress.

We're still gonna roll you scralet turds out of Boulder in the pooper scoopers you cruised in on.

Peace Nerd

Tooth

 

[Gbemi24]

Originally posted by indiamacbean
There's a kid in my class at Pitt that had less than a 2.0 gpa from undergrad.

NO WAY. This is bull. He/she is lying to you. You cannot graduate from college without atleast a 2.0 GPA. This is NUTS!

 

[jlee9531]

i too find this interesting....the graduation without a 2.0

 

[link26]

maybe the registrar took a bribe.

is that even possible?

 

[jlee9531]

Originally posted by link26
maybe the registrar took a bribe.

is that even possible?

anything is possible i suppose haha.

like when my friends that attend other schools point out people that do *favors* for the profs and end up getting good grades. to me it sounds ridiculous and i enjoy a good laugh but they are convinced about a few of them haha.

 

[lotanna]

Originally posted by jlee9531
anything is possible i suppose haha.

like when my friends that attend other schools point out people that do *favors* for the profs and end up getting good grades. to me it sounds ridiculous and i enjoy a good laugh but they are convinced about a few of them haha.

actually that happens, people are human too. My bf in college was really cool with the bio prof, and once came to our class of 200+ students late, and missed a quiz, and went to office hrs, and he got to take it. Even though the prof said in class it wasnt possible. He got a 5/5, and i took it at the normal time and got a 2/5
Anyway long story short he wasnt nowhere close to the borderline btw 3.5 and 4.0 at the end of semester, prof took a couple of people out to dinner, him included. He ended up with a 4.0. I fuess suckin up is always the answer

 

[superk0725]

Jeez, folks. I had a pretty low GPA but I still got into Medical school. Give her a break. Maybe she had a couple of bad semesters begore she realized what she wanted to do in life.

The point of this story wasnt to say that people who had a couple tough semesters cant or shouldnt get into medical school. This girl was anything but a good student. she had no notable actvities or anything of that sort. she was complaining (to my gf) about having to get up and go to class at 11am and that is why she didnt do well in her classes.
Im sorry, but there is some sort of standard associated with being a doctor (i am not saying you have to have a 3.99 or even a 3.0 or above, or anything like that). but she definitely doesnt meet the standard. atleast i dont think so.

 

[14931]

Originally posted by ocean11
I have a question.. WHAT CARIBBEAN MEDICAL SCHOOL WAS IT?

i dont even want to know why you are asking

 

[ocean11]

Let me tell you WHY I'm asking.... I have a friend with a 2.1 GPA and a 21 MCAT who got in to a certain Caribbean school and I want to find out if its the same one... thats all... I just heard of someone getting rejected from that school with a 2.5 so.... I'm interested see?!?!?!?

So dude... WHAT MED SCHOOL IN THE CARIBBEAN WAS IT?!?!?

 

[skypilot]

Originally posted by ocean11

So dude... WHAT MED SCHOOL IN THE CARIBBEAN WAS IT?!?!?

Yeah, people like to lump all the schools in the Caribbean together and bash them but they are not all equal.

SGU has been around for 25 years, requires the MCAT, has very good clinical sites in New York, a 90% USMLE pass rate, and qualifies you for practice in all 50 states.

Some of the schools are pretty shady.

 

[BushBaby]

Originally posted by superk0725
The point of this story wasnt to say that people who had a couple tough semesters cant or shouldnt get into medical school. This girl was anything but a good student. she had no notable actvities or anything of that sort. she was complaining (to my gf) about having to get up and go to class at 11am and that is why she didnt do well in her classes.
Im sorry, but there is some sort of standard associated with being a doctor (i am not saying you have to have a 3.99 or even a 3.0 or above, or anything like that). but she definitely doesnt meet the standard. atleast i dont think so.

Okay, so you have this girl who got lucky and got into medical school. You know what? if she doesn't deserve to be there then she will eventually fail her boards and flunck out anyways...so don't worry yourself over it.

 

[Optimist]

Originally posted by Alleria
Depending on the year, 40-60% of applicants get INTO med school. At all the US allopathic schools that I know of, ~95+% of people graduate -- anything below 90% would probably be considered scandalous.

Couldn't it be that the selectivity of the schools is the reason for the high pass rate? Maybe if anyone could get in, then only some would finish.

 

[Nora]

Indo,

It may be obvious to you, but not necessarily to everyone else.

If you quit feverishly thinking about AA all the time, then you wouldn't have a psychotic outburst like the one you just had. What the hell are you talking about?.

 

[upitt]

Originally posted by indiamacbean
There's a kid in my class at Pitt that had less than a 2.0 gpa from undergrad. He is now near the top of the med school class. People change and I really don't think that undergrad GPA alone is a good predictor of success in medicine or medical school

It is not possible to graduate with any degree with a gpa less than 2.0 However, it is possible for your gpa to be <2.0 after amcas gets done with it. AMCAS does not replace all those F's and D's that you might have gotten, your university does. If you have 39 A's & 1 D, repeat that class that you got a D in and get an A, you will graduate with a 4.0 But you will not have a 4.0 after using amcas.

And whoever is concerned about the girl that got into a caribbean med school with a really low gpa, you are not mature enough to be a doctor. If a person does well in med school and passes the usmle step 1 & 2, then they deserve to do residency and if they pass usmle step 3 they obviously know enough about medicine to get licensed.

Just because she got accepted into a med school does not mean that she will become a doctor. Medical school is a lot more difficult & more stressful than undergrad. If she can handle the curriculum of the 4-years of med school than she deserves to practice medicine.

 

[ocean11]

O.K.... maybe we ARE avoiding the topic... WHICH MEDICAL SCHOOL IN THE CARIB DID SHE GET INTO?!? superk0725 .... PLEASE REPLY! I am TRULY curious....

Is it so hard just to name the place.... common dude! you peaked our curiousity and now you HAVE to name it!

 

[Optimist]

Originally posted by ocean11
O.K.... maybe we ARE avoiding the topic... WHICH MEDICAL SCHOOL IN THE CARIB DID SHE GET INTO?!? superk0725 .... PLEASE REPLY! I am TRULY curious....

Is it so hard just to name the place.... common dude! you peaked our curiousity and now you HAVE to name it!

What does it matter whether he chooses to answer? If this person even exists, then whichever school it is, she is UNDERQUALIFIED.

A 2.0 GPA at a state school is not like having a rough semester; it's UNDERACHIEVING FOR 4 YEARS.

Wherever it is she may be going to med school, she didn't earn her place, as most people have to.

 

[cmudan]

My friend has an MCAT score of 12 and a 1.1 GPA. She got into U of M because she wore a 2 piece bikini to the interview under her suit. She ripped it off when the interviewer asked "Why do you feel your qualified to enter medical school?"

True story

 

[ocean11]

LOL

But just which University is U of M (Michigan or Manitoba?)

 

[jlee9531]

Originally posted by ocean11
LOL

But just which University is U of M (Michigan or Manitoba?)

 

[cguidr4]

I'm sure that if this girl does well in med school and passes the boards she will be a great doctor, but I still don't see how a med school can let someone in with a 2.0 gpa. Each year there is more overqualified applicants than spots. I know GPA isn't the only factor but come on a 2.0. Even if she had a 40 on the MCAT I don't think they should let her in (unless she just had a rough start and showed drastic improvement). It isn't fair to the other students who do the work and make the grades. I know of a guy who made a 32 MCAT but only had a 2.8. He was obviously smart enough to get into medschool, but they did not let him in until he took a few more semesters to show that he was a hard worker and could make A's.

 

[drlexygoat]

To the OP....

I actually attend UCF and the pre-med group is pretty tight-knit here (even though the school has 42,000 students). I can pretty safely say that I know just about every one of the 120 applicants currently applying from our school (there may be a few more applying outside of our pre-professional committee office). You get to see the same people in your classes after a while. Shoot me a name via PM and I'll tell you if it's bull**** or not. We have a list of who's gotten into med school this cycle and last yr.

I HIGHLY doubt that's even romotely possible this girl got in. I know one minority applicant last yr who went to the carribbean but her GPA and MCAT were much higher.

Also, you can't graduate UCF with under a 2.0. No way.

 

[perfectmoment]

Originally posted by ocean11
LOL

But just which University is U of M (Michigan or Manitoba?)

haha my thoughts exactly. but you could prolly throw in U of Minnesota too

 

[lady bug]

Originally posted by drlexygoat
To the OP....

I actually attend UCF and the pre-med group is pretty tight-knit here (even though the school has 42,000 students). I can pretty safely say that I know just about every one of the 120 applicants currently applying from our school (there may be a few more applying outside of our pre-professional committee office). You get to see the same people in your classes after a while. Shoot me a name via PM and I'll tell you if it's bull**** or not. We have a list of who's gotten into med school this cycle and last yr.

I HIGHLY doubt that's even romotely possible this girl got in. I know one minority applicant last yr who went to the carribbean but her GPA and MCAT were much higher.

Also, you can't graduate UCF with under a 2.0. No way.

I went to UCF too (graduated this spring)....nice to see another golden knight on here. Where r ya going to med school next year? Shoot me a pm if you'd like.

 

[roja]

Amusing topics...

Actually, the attrition rate to medical school since the second revision of the MCAT is closer to 97%. The entire point of the MCAT was to increase the attrition rate of medical school which used to be approx 15%.

As the MCAT has been revised and with the advent of prep courses, the average score has increased. A few trends seem to be true: Students who score, in general, less than 24 have difficulty passing medical school. There is no correlation with higher scores equating with class rank (ie 35's don't necessarily do better than a 28).

There is always 'some girl/guy' who got a low score on this or whatever. Sometimes this is urban myth and sometimes it is probably because there is something else in there application to explain it. (divorce, family death, whatever). Some states like texas have 'fresh start' programs for individuals who went to school a while back and screwed up.

There are some very good carribean schools. However, there are schools that will let you in if you have enough money. And it doesn't really matter in the US if you dont' pass you Step one and two.

And really, the compitition is pretty stiff. Why not just worry about yourself?

 

[Gbemi24]

Originally posted by roja
As the MCAT has been revised and with the advent of prep courses, the average score has increased.

It is not the revision of the MCAT or the advent of prep courses that has led to the increase in MCAT scores. Recent applicants and matriculants are simply better academically than their predecessors. This is attested to by the significant increase in the GPAs of both applicants and matriculants in the past few years.

Originally posted by roja

There is no correlation with higher scores equating with class rank (ie 35's don't necessarily do better than a 28).

This is a misleading statement. There is no significant correlation between class rank and MCAT scores because, for most schools, the method of determining class rank weights the clinical years far more heavily than the basic science years. It is no secret that the MCAT is a poor predictor of performance in the clinical years, niether was it designed for that purpose. This is primarily because the clinical years are not as cognitively intense as the basic science years. You do not need to be brilliant to be a great clinician. What you need is certain unique character traits such as motivation, attention to detail, good judgement, affability, emotional equanimity, high tolerance for constructive criticism etc.

If class rank was based mostly on the basic science years, and most schools didn't have Pass/Fail but had the A/B/C/D system, the MCAT will probably be as good a predictor of class rank as any single, quantifiable variable. The very fact that the MCAT is a better predictor of success on USMLE 1 than GPA alone is a testamant to its relative success. Ofcourse the combination of MCAT scores and science GPA is an even better predictor of performance on USMLE 1 since more variables are involved.

 

[roja]

Actually, its not a misleading statement. It is based on an article that reviewed the entire life and revisions and purpose of the MCAT.

Your statement assumes that students now are academically stronger (or previous students are weaker) and I would wonder how exactly you come to that assumption.

I would also be curious as to where your information comes from for what used to determine class rank. There is a lot of variation in medical schools and how they grade their students.

I personally went to a school that used an A/B/C/Fail and first and second year pretty much equated 3rd year. (fourth year being mute since you are applying for residency and no one really looks at your fourth year grades..)

 

[jayski2030]

MCAT's are higher because so many people are taking adderall as a study aid.

 

[Megalofyia]

Originally posted by jayski2030
MCAT's are higher because so many people are taking adderall as a study aid.

Is that what you did?

 

[skypilot]

Originally posted by roja
There are some very good carribean schools. However, there are schools that will let you in if you have enough money.

Yup, there is always a school out there willing to take you if you have the U.S. dollares.

You probably won't ever get a license if you are a poor student though.

 

[noy]

Originally posted by roja
Actually, its not a misleading statement. It is based on an article that reviewed the entire life and revisions and purpose of the MCAT.

Do you have a ref for this article?

 

[jayski2030]

Originally posted by Megalofyia
Is that what you did?

No.

 

[roja]

noy sure. I will dig it out of my filing system for you. It was an article given to me by the admissions director of my medical school. I intend to go into admissions (goal of admissions director) at some point and we spoke often of the MCAT and its point.

Not to mention the role of prep courses in the 'life' of the MCAT. (he thought they were pointless, I thought useful... of course, I took the mcat and taught for a prep course so... there were our biases. )

It is a very interesting article detailing the inception and life of the MCAT.

Also in academic literature (not just medical) the use of standardized tests as a predictor of function is greatly coming into questions.

If you look at schools like Johns Hopkins, they don't even require the MCAT. Just one standardized test that 'best represents you'.