How did you survive your "diversity" credits

[Ernham]

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I cannot believe the amount of lies that are allowed to be taught in the name diversity these days. I gather this after reading the book and future class notes for a course I've been suckered into having to pay my hard earned cash to. How do you accept lies as truth to do well on the exams? Heh. I'm serious.

 

[Cerberus]

Originally posted by Ernham
I cannot believe the amount of lies that are allowed to be taught in the name diversity these days. I gather this after reading the book and future class notes for a course I've been suckered into having to pay my hard earned cash to. How do you accept lies as truth to do well on the exams? Heh. I'm serious.

u r teh dumb

 

[jlee9531]

without an example i really have no clue what you are talking about.

 

[Ernham]

Originally posted by Cerberus
u r teh dumb

That coming from someone with Homer pic and 5k+ posts? Damn, man, get a life.

 

[Ernham]

Originally posted by jlee9531
without an example i really have no clue what you are talking about.

You didn't have any "diversity" classes that were taught using straight up lies, dated information, manipulated data, etc.?

 

[jlee9531]

Originally posted by Ernham
You didn't have any "diversity" classes that were taught using straight up lies, dated information, manipulated data, etc.?

😕

like political polls?

 

[Gramsci]

Originally posted by Ernham
You didn't have any "diversity" classes that were taught using straight up lies, dated information, manipulated data, etc.?

Funny, I made it through my undergraduate years without anything like this. Perhaps you just need a good dose of haloperidol decanoate

 

[Ernham]

Ok, I don't give a god damn about what the class entails. I want to know how you pass a class where you either have to regurgitate lies or even just someone else's opinion. The subject doesn't matter.

 

[Gramsci]

Originally posted by Ernham
Ok, I don't give a god damn about what the class entails. I want to know how you pass a class where you either have to regurgitate lies or even just someone else's opinion. The subject doesn't matter.

For the sake of your potential classmates I suggest you "take a stand". Medicine would be better off with one fewer stuffy white conservatives.

 

[u2psalm40]

haha what school do you go to? your student population isn't diverse enough so your school's solution is to teach you about it? hmm... can't help you there. that's a new one.

south of the mason dixon for sure right?

 

[NE_Cornhusker1]

just kiss the teacher's a$s regardless of your views and you'll do fine. the funnything is that my high school was considerably more diverse than college.

 

[woolie]

Diversity class eh? Like someone said above, it must be a pretty non-diverse school I guess, if they have to teach a class about diversity.

Oh well, just like any other class, listen to what the professor wants you to learn, do your best to learn it and then put it back out on the exam paper. You could pretend it's like a physics class or p-chem only with people instead of numbers. Sometimes these 'squishy' non-technical classes like this are surprising in how much they can teach us.

You should be fine - 🙂

 

[u2psalm40]

Originally posted by Ernham
Ok, I don't give a god damn about what the class entails. I want to know how you pass a class where you either have to regurgitate lies or even just someone else's opinion. The subject doesn't matter.

ok if you put it that way... the same way you pass any subjective class:
be able to regurgitate, but also be articulate about your views agreeing with, disagreeing with, and supplementing those arguments with preferably the prof's own reading list; if not, with some sources of your own.

i'd also go to office hours to run this by; interest and name-face factor is kind of key for subjective classes

but you're in college, you know this stuff right?

 

[Ernham]

The class also requires you to spend 10 hours at "multicultural events" or tutoring minorities.

 

[quideam]

Originally posted by Ernham
The class also requires you to spend 10 hours at "multicultural events" or tutoring minorities.

*sniff* *sniff*... I smell a troll.... 😡 😡

- Quideam

 

[Ernham]

Originally posted by quideam
*sniff* *sniff*... I smell a troll.... 😡 😡

- Quideam

Do you think I'm kidding? Would you like some digital pictures of the syllabus? I'm serious as a heart attack.

 

[quideam]

No, I don't think you're kidding about the class... but are you really that pissed at this? I mean come on, 'diversity stuff' is just part of all of this; I feel like you're making a big enough deal about it to be "troll-ish".... :/

- Quid

 

[Ernham]

Originally posted by quideam
but are you really that pissed at this?

- Quid

I know you are probably some stupid yuppie spawn. I have to work ~30 hours a week to make ends meet. Do you know what work is? So yes, I'm that pissed off about having to spend my money on indoctrination instead of education. If you want to come pay for my god damn classes, just maybe I'll change my tune. Until then, feel free to drop dead.

 

[BklynWill]

I deleted this post because I subsequently realized I was stooping to a lower level.

 

[Ernham]

"To the OP: Why do you want to become a doctor?"

Why do you care?

"I would not want you to be my doctor."

Oh, why is that? Yuppie trash too? Me thinks so, "Will."

"I would not want you to be someone else's doctor."

You couldn't put both of these in the same senetence or at least paragraph?

 

[BklynWill]

I deleted this post because I subsequently realized I was stooping to a lower level.

If only we could take back the regretful things we've said in real life, eh OP?

 

[hamhamfan]

It's not nice to call someone a "stupid yuppie spawn." Why do you have to be so mean?

Anyways, please show us some evidence that these are "lies."

 

[Ryo-Ohki]

A lot of universities certainly have their fair share of worthless classes. Nothing wrong with that I guess, if there is interest.

I find it troubling if this is a requirement. Is this a university wide requirement or just specific to your major? Do you have a link to a webpage?

 

[Ernham]

Originally posted by Ryo-Ohki
A lot of universities certainly have their fair share of worthless classes. Nothing wrong with that I guess, if there is interest.

I find it troubling if this is a requirement. Is this a university wide requirement or just specific to your major? Do you have a link to a webpage?

There are a handful of courses that satisfy the requiremnt, but these are all different shades of the same color.

 

[musiclink213]

we have something like that, only it's called "cross-cultural classes" basically, you study a group that is not american/european. they'rea actually interesting classes. it's not required for my degree since i'm getting a BS, but my roomate took one and it was really interesting. i like learning about diff. societies and how life goes on there. brings you out of your shell, sort of. although my high school had much more diversity than my college. that makes me sad. i like diversity. it keeps things fun. but then, you can argue that diversity lies in ideas and not skin color, which also makes sense. i like that theory better.

 

[woolie]

Well, I'm taking a class this semester called 'Native American Religions' and I am really liking it. It's pretty much a diversity class, I guess but the prof decided not to make it an *official* one and so keep it small for the anthro majors. I am totally liking it and learning alot.

I have made some Native American friends here (Utah) and so it makes it that much more interesting for me to learn about this topic. I have been thinking that I'd like to spend an elective down on the Reservations, or maybe work there for a while. All my classmates are white non-natives who are also equally into the material.

Really, what's a minority? it just depends on your perspective I guess. If I were on the Reservation, then I would be the minority. See if you can't learn something from your experiences with your tutees (to the OP).

 

[peterockduke]

Originally posted by Ernham
I know you are probably some stupid yuppie spawn. I have to work ~30 hours a week to make ends meet.

So true.... It's what SDN and docs are all about.

Education completely changes when you're paying for it yourself. A college should create a diverse environment, not force people into classes discussing it. Though I loved my courses that you might label "diversity" I can totally see how being forced into one would make me livid.

 

[Fish3715]

Originally posted by woolie
Diversity class eh? Like someone said above, it must be a pretty non-diverse school I guess, if they have to teach a class about diversity.

At my school, we have a Global Diversity and a U.S. Diversity requirement (my school is ~90% white; I'm one of the 16 blacks in my class).

 

[care bear]

if america had not forcefully taken this land from a group now considered a minority, you would not have a place to learn anything-
we are all interconnected.

i just advise you to argue your opinion well in class and in papers, don't hold back from the professor. that's just doing yourself a disservice; if you hold back and 'kiss butt' then you won't get the chance to have a well-informed scholar point out to you some of the possible discrepancies in your paradigm.

 

[Integra96]

Diversity is probably the most abused, overused, and sickening word in use these days. The diversity requirement at most schools is just as vomit-inducing. Real education lies in the actual study (yeah, study, whoah) of a particular culture, history, or religion. There's a marked difference between that and being indoctrinated with innocuous, PC garbage designed to spur guilt (if you're a white guy) or contempt (if you're not).

How about diversity of thought and ideas - the important kind of diversity. Skin color can't mean nothing and everything at the same time. It's tragic that any of us still care about pigmentation differences among humans when discussing or making policy, educational requirements, or...gasp...medical school admissions.

 

[logos]

Just go to class....shut up....and listen to whatever bull**** the professor is spouting off about.

I pretty much got out of these classes by satisfying two of my diversity requirements with real courses...western civ. and a religion class. My US diversity requirement class was sociology....now that is bull**** field...but I sat there and took it. "Yes teacher, sociology is a science, yes..i can see the heavy dependance on the scientific method and evidence 🙄 "

Then memorize whatever drivel they're serving up...take the test....and get the hell out of there.

 

[twinklz]

We have a "foreign diversity" requirement at my school. Luckily it stays away from PC propaganda. The classes are like "World Music" and "Chinese Art." So all you have to do is acknowledge that a world lies beyond our limited Western scope. Try and take a "lovey dovey" art credit, and then it will be no different than any other art class.

 

[lyragrl]

Originally posted by indo
Is that going to conflict with your KKK meeting schedule?

Good one, Indo. 🙄

This troll came out swinging.

 

[quideam]

As much as I enjoy being called 'stupid yuppie spawn', I thought that I would make just more attempt at replying to the obviously very bitter OP. I make my $$$ (to pay for the same stuff you have to pay for, btw) by tutoring URMs and EOF students. Sometimes the amount of extra help (I mean just tons and tons) frustrates me, and other times I understand. I've taken my own share of diversity classes, and regardless of how I feel - I NEVER, EVER rant and rave about it like some frustrated lunatic with a sawed-off shotgun.

I have an idea - why don't you start an AA thread next? That ought to be fun...

🙄 🙄 <-- That's all I have to say to the troll. Please return to your lair.

Politely yours,
Quid

 

[Anka]

Tell the truth, take your licks, move on. Easier said than done, but the C on my transcript is the grade I'm proudest of.

Anka

 

[WatchingWaiting]

Hi Ernham,

Med school is basically about sucking it up. You will be exposed to the same stuff in med school-- it will be called cultural sensitivity or competency or something of the like. You will be required to attend it, and probably to sit in a Bolshevik-style self-critique, group-critique session afterwards. It's really quite pathetic. I would adivse you not to express any of your true feelings-- you will not be able to convince your faculty of your beliefs, and if you are ever about to win an argument, you will always be answered with "You just don't get it"-- an essentially unanswerable non-rebuttal that kills the argument.

Just think about how little time this stuff is in the grand-scheme of your education and focus on the final outcome, and you'll come out all right. The one good thing is that as people progress through med school and see more and more of the real world, they become much less left-wing in their orientation. It is kind of silly that in order to get into med school you have to have a certain naive and child-like ideological orientation that half of doctors will, by the time they are a couple of years out of residency, have dropped.

 

[Ernham]

"As much as I enjoy being called 'stupid yuppie spawn',"

You started the name calling.

"I thought that I would make just more attempt at replying to the obviously very bitter OP. I make my $$$ (to pay for the same stuff you have to pay for, btw) by tutoring URMs and EOF students."

You don't even know what the fuq I pay for, you idiot! How can you say this?

"Sometimes the amount of extra help (I mean just tons and tons) frustrates me, and other times I understand. I've taken my own share of diversity classes, and regardless of how I feel - I NEVER, EVER rant and rave about it like some frustrated lunatic with a sawed-off shotgun. "

It sounds like you could have used some more English classes, not diversity. I think I've stumbled on something!

"<-- That's all I have to say to the troll. Please return to your lair."

Good. Stay the f-out of my thread. Go "mountain climbing" or something. Pfft. You are a joke.

 

[quideam]

Man, I miss SP!

 

[pathdr2b]

I'm not suprised at all by the recent diversity course requirement at some colleges because God knows so many of you need it.

And why are people coming down so hard on the OP anyway and what purpose does it serve?

 

[Blackstars]

Guys,

Ernham is what I called the neonazi, you don't believe me do a quick search of all his posts and you see what I'm talking about. I'm glad your school is requiring you take the class, enjoy your class ernham

 

[Ernham]

Originally posted by owusu-dentist
Guys,

Ernham is what I called the neonazi, you don't believe me do a quick search of all his posts and you see what I'm talking about. I'm glad your school is requiring you take the class, enjoy your class ernham

Awww, does the knuckle dragger wanna pway wiff me? You are way out of your league, boy.

You know, I recall your name from somewhere; you must have displayed an inordinate amount of stupidty to warrant a mental note.

 

[ForensicPath]

I did not read through this whole thread because it got silly real quick. I actually enjoyed my diversity classes. I took a women's lit class and I did a research paper on Frankenstein (I also enjoyed making funny "penis-envy" jokes in class that my teacher did not seem to appreciate). I also took an Asian religion class where I learned about Confucianism, Buddhism, Taoism, Shintoism, and some other forms of ancient asian religion.

All in all my diversity requirements weren't bad at all.

 

[optimal_risk]

I never had to take an diversity classes per se, but since I was a Psych Major I guess their was no need. As a multi-racial person, I see the need for these classes, but not the effectiveness. As is with case of most sensitivity/diversity training, the people who need it the most will be the ones with fingers in their ears and feet their mouths.
Let me digress. . .
On our campus a group of student media leaders (TV, radio, and print) put a very anti-semetic/anti-arab slant on the school newspaper ( this was pre-9-11). Unfortunately for them, we have a very active Muslim- student association. They brought a 500-page list of articles, evidence, and grievences against the newspaper. The gulity parties were sentenced to sensitivity training. Do you think they have changed? I doubt it.
Digression over.
The best way (albeit very slow) for people to learn is through experience and exposure. If people have positive interactions, with a group they have negatively stereotyped, then change might happen. Apparently, the university can't make this change happen fast enough and these classes are the result. But, the most likely course of action, is that people learn the hard way. When patients or co-workers complain about your off-color jokes, or when you are taken aside by a supervisor told that others would rather not work with you, you will learn.