How do you plan on staying in the US?

[DrRob]

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If you are not a US citizen, how do you plan on staying in the US even if you do get a license. I am Canadian and there was no easy way for me to permanatly work in the US - and we are eligible for the TN work visa which takes minutes to get. The H1 b can take months to get - and its still only temporary.

Just curious - it seems like a big risk to spend all that money on a US dds and not be able to stay.

 

[sam3]

Hi Dr.Rob:

-I am Canadian also,and I just wanna ask you why was it hard for you to work permanantly in the USA ???.Can't you renew this work permit each time it is needed??.

- I have a friend who got his licence,and he is not a USA citizine, not a Canadian,and he does not have a green card.He told me that after 3 years of working as a dentist........he can apply for a green card so he can stay for good.Tell me what do you think please???.

-I guess that all these hundreds of foreign dentists who are getting licenced , can find a way or another to stay in the USA.The reason that these AS programs were established is that the states is in real shortage of dentists otherwise they would not have accepted them in the first place,so do you think that it is possible that after they start working they might be kicked out ??

I hope that you can help me with these questions.


Thanks for your help.

 

[Henna]

Originally posted by DrRob
If you are not a US citizen, how do you plan on staying in the US even if you do get a license. I am Canadian and there was no easy way for me to permanatly work in the US - and we are eligible for the TN work visa which takes minutes to get. The H1 b can take months to get - and its still only temporary.

Just curious - it seems like a big risk to spend all that money on a US dds and not be able to stay.

What kinda visa do you get if a person you are working for ( private clinic) sponsor's you ? Is that a temporary visa ? I was actually thinking about doing that.
Some ppl like to work for dental chains like "western Dental" who will actually sponsor your visa.

Henna

 

[DrRob]

For canadians and Mexicans - the TN is easy to get - but it must be renewed EVERY year, and you should not have intention of staying. They are job specific - meaning if you change jobs you need a new visa. You cannot buy or own your own practice, but rather be an employee.

Others need an H1 b - my first employer (private practice) was going to help me switch to the H1 b because then you can apply for work authorization and green card - until he found out how much it was going to cost!

Even getting work authorized is no guarantee - the job must be advertised for a specific period of time with no qualified american wanting the job. So if someone has a 3 year visa its the H1 b and its no guarantee that they will get a green card.

 

[organic]

Dr Rob
I think you have pointed out , in your first posting, the key worry of many of us here in the forum who are facing this major decision in life. I believe that quite a lot of foreign dentists ( though not all) who attempt entering the international dentist studies are spouses of H1B visa holders, their husband/ wife is at some stage of greencard application process. So in a way, if nothing goes wrong, they will have greencard eventually.

Ideally, that is true, but I personally fear that anti-immigration policies have made this country very unfriendly to new comers....

Dr. Rob, I also believe that a lot of people actually find an empolyer to "sponsor" their H1B, but they themselves pay for the fees of lawyers and entire application. It all depends on how much you want to stay in the US. But as a Canadian, you feel that you have a better chance.

On the other hand, I remember when I was in Toronto, everyone urged me to immigrate to Canada, they told me that dentists make handsome money there. Canada is also a safer and more friendly country. Why don't you want to stay?


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[DrRob]

I do want to stay in canada - I love my office here and the place I am living; but when I first graduated from Marquette I had wanted to stay in Wisconsin because I thought loan repayment would be quicker and I still had a lot of friends in the area.

Dentists do make good money in Canada; and I think immigration is easier to Canada for Foreign trained dentists.

Also, I thought that being Canadian would be an advantage in immigrating to the US - but its not really the case; actually its a disadvantage because you can't even enter the green card lottery.

 

[organic]

Dr Rob

I feel that a green card is just like a permanent TN visa, I mean, there is nothing that is permanent unless you become a citizen.

I meant to ask you one thing, did you like the working environment in Wisconsin as a dentist?

Were there a lot of large HMO clinics? Most poeple are prone to purchase HMO insurance? PPO? or any special type of insurance?
I have friends who live in Madison, Wisconsin, and the way they describe to me about how the dental ecology is in Wisconsin seems very different from that in California. But of course, I only heard what they had to say about this subject, so I am pretty curious.

thanks

 

[DrRob]

organic,

I like Wisconsin, there are some very rich counties that have a lot of FFS patients and a lot of private practioners that do not accept hmo, ppo.

On the other hand there are practices that solely handle HMO and PPO patients so its up to you how you want to practice.

A Green Card is not just a permant TN - You can buy a practice with a green card - and you can pretty much set a life up in the US .


With the TN - how can you buy a house or do anything to establish roots with an uncertain visa which can be changed at anytime.

 

[organic]

you surely are right about Greencard not being a permanent TN visa , especially for buying a practice/ taking a loan.

But TN is 100000000000 times better than H4 visa, that is for sure.


thanks for info on Wisconsin👍