How helpful are the NAI really?

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How helpful are the NAI drugs like oseltamivir and zanamivir against Flu?

I know relenza is more efficacious against both A and B while tamiflu is more of A than B.

I know the sx diminish by 1.3d... but how efficacious are these in severe flu cases? I have been looking for studies but have not found it yet...

Thanks...

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I don't recommend TamiFlu to my patients. I wouldn't take it myself.

Critically ill and hospitalized patients are a different situation – it's not terribly expensive in the context of even small potential benefits, and nausea/vomiting/neuropsychiatric side effects aren't really relevant. That being said, the evidence supporting its use in reducing mortality in the hospitalized patient is all retrospective and observational, and Roche isn't allowed to market it for that purpose.
 
Peds residents never want to hear this and give it to patients anyway.

Give them Tamiflu and a zpack. Imaginary effect drugs can counteract each others side effects. Maybe.
 
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The funny thing that borders on ridiculousness, I had a patient come in who had reported flu-like symptoms, seen 1 week prior and given tamiflu for the flu...after a negative flu swab...
 
The funny thing that borders on ridiculousness, I had a patient come in who had reported flu-like symptoms, seen 1 week prior and given tamiflu for the flu...after a negative flu swab...

To be fair, rapid influenza tests have very poor sensitivity (and very high specificity). See the January 13, 2013 issue of Annals of EM: "The results of rapid influenza diagnostic tests can be used to rule in but not rule out influenza."

If I think someone clinically has flu, I don't see a point in even running the flu swab. (I agree with all of the above regarding tamiflu. I generally only give it out to those who request it for patient satisfaction purposes.)
 
To be fair, rapid influenza tests have very poor sensitivity (and very high specificity). See the January 13, 2013 issue of Annals of EM: "The results of rapid influenza diagnostic tests can be used to rule in but not rule out influenza."

If I think someone clinically has flu, I don't see a point in even running the flu swab. (I agree with all of the above regarding tamiflu. I generally only give it out to those who request it for patient satisfaction purposes.)

that is true, and i agree that if it's obvious flu, it's obvious flu and will dx it as such. but I don't like ordering tests if I'm going to ignore the results. just give the tamiflu then and don't perform the test =p I do Rx it because sometimes the flu can be complete and utter absolute misery that 1 day better is huge. If they've been on antipyretics and motrin and they're still miserable looking i'll offer it. not like otitis or strep where it's really not that bad.
 
i have gotten some really ridiculous requests for tamiflu... in patients w/o any symptom of the flu! stuffy nose, isolated vomiting, etc.

i sit down, explain the CDC recommendations and the risk of GI distress and then ask them if they're ok w/ not taking it.

haven't had anyone continue to insist on taking it.

have given it to a few kiddos and older folks, but most of the sick pts i've seen needed to be admitted so they got it as an inpt.
 
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