how i could work in UK as a doctor?

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this is the big question, i am anesthesiologist from latin america and i will go to live there and i don't have any idea what i have to do for do it or where i have to go for information, if some one knows, any information would be great or if some one was in the same place, we can help each other, write me
thanks

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this is the big question, i am anesthesiologist from latin america and i will go to live there and i don't have any idea what i have to do for do it or where i have to go for information, if some one knows, any information would be great or if some one was in the same place, we can help each other, write me
thanks

If you are consultant level you might be able to find something but otherwise you probably wont be able to get a job as a doctor.
 
the consultant level in uk it's about how manny years your studies are ? in my country you get your tittle after 6 years then you have to get 1 year more in practice then you can work, 3 years more for to get especialty and you can work like me as anesthesilogist and i worked in the first hospitals in my country as anesthesiologist for 7 years, i make confference every year in my country, also i worked as a theache with pre-medicine students and recidency students........but i don't know if i fit as a consultant level, the sistem is a little bit different, i hope the things are not to different
i would be happy
thanks
 
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the consultant level in uk it's about how manny years your studies are ? in my country you get your tittle after 6 years then you have to get 1 year more in practice then you can work, 3 years more for to get especialty and you can work like me as anesthesilogist and i worked in the first hospitals in my country as anesthesiologist for 7 years, i make confference every year in my country, also i worked as a theache with pre-medicine students and recidency students........but i don't know if i fit as a consultant level, the sistem is a little bit different, i hope the things are not to different
i would be happy
thanks

Consultant level is basically the top level, if you are the top level at home you would be considered the same here. It's not automatic though, you would have to do certain exams. As for getting a job, if all exams etc are ok you would be eligible to apply but because of the way our system works it is probably harder here than anywhere else to get a consultant job. If you aren't that level you wouldn't be eligible for anything under consultant i.e. a training job because of your nationality. Fellowships would be possible but they are usually just a year.
 
What are the rules making you eligible to work as a doc in the UK? Are there any, barring going through FP1 and FP2?
 
Go to the GMC website and follow the links for international medical graduate.

Basically, you'll have to sit the English exam, then the PLAB Parts 1 & 2 and be registered on the general register. You'll need to go through the PMETB to get on the specialty register (if you want to practice anesthesiology, or anesthetics, as they call it here). None of those steps are completely straightforward, so there's no guarantee of success. Once registered, you'll need to work in "an approved practice setting" for one year. After that, you may be able to work in a consultant's role. That said, I can't predict what jobs will be available.
 
What about non EU citizens with EU medical degree (without specialty).
 
What about non EU citizens with EU medical degree (without specialty).

You are now considered equal to any UK grad or citizen.
 
what about the people from latin america, what we are ???????
 
You are now considered equal to any UK grad or citizen.

Hi bami thanks for your help. What do you mean I am considered equal. Can you direct me somewhere for that. To find some more info.

On the GMC web site i found only this :
"
The possible ways in my situation are:
1. The Professional and Linguistic Assessments Board (PLAB) test
2. Acceptable postgraduate qualifications
3. Sponsorship
4. Eligibility for specialist registration or GP registration"

So if I exclude 1,2 and 4.
under 3 I have sponsorship. Is it possible to find a sponsor and can you give me some ideas to help me on this.

Thanks a lot . This is huge help. god bless you
haus
 
with unable ???? you say that i have to get in to the university and do it all again in Uk for i can get something ???.........another 10 years ???
i already did 10 years .
 
with unable ???? you say that i have to get in to the university and do it all again in Uk for i can get something ???.........another 10 years ???
i already did 10 years .

I mean you would only be considered if no-one with an EU medical degree OR EU citizenship with any medical degree was suitable for the job which just doesn't happen. This is only for training jobs though. A fellowship would be pretty easy to get but they are only a year long.
 
Hi bami thanks for your help. What do you mean I am considered equal. Can you direct me somewhere for that. To find some more info.

On the GMC web site i found only this :
"
The possible ways in my situation are:
1. The Professional and Linguistic Assessments Board (PLAB) test
2. Acceptable postgraduate qualifications
3. Sponsorship
4. Eligibility for specialist registration or GP registration"

So if I exclude 1,2 and 4.
under 3 I have sponsorship. Is it possible to find a sponsor and can you give me some ideas to help me on this.

Thanks a lot . This is huge help. god bless you
haus

I don't really know the details, as a UK grad and citizen I have never needed to look it up. The general rules are just common knowledge here which is how I know what I do.
 
what about the people from latin america, what we are ???????
You can "enter" the UK system at different levels.

1. If you're a fresh graduate you can apply for provisional registration and then apply for Foundation Year 1 (FY1) posts. In foundation posts you rotate through different specialties (three to four months in each), similar to the US preliminary programs.

2. If you have some postgraduate experience but are not quite at the level of independent "senior" physician, you can apply for full registration and then apply either for FY2 or for Specialty Training (ST1, 2... and so forth). What ST year you can apply for will depend on how much previous experience in the specialty you have.

3. If you're a fully qualified physician (i.e. you've completed specialty training/residency/whatever postgraduate training) you can apply for both full and specialist registration and then practice independently at a consultant level.

In the first two scenarios there is an excess of applicants and lack of positions, so it's difficult (but not impossible) to land a job. By European law, employers can only hire you if they fail to find a British/European citizen with similar qualifications.

In the third scenario there is a shortage of consultants (in many but not all specialties). So it shouldn't be a problem to find a job. The problem is getting that registration.

Now, in order to get a registration and apply for the above posts, you may consider doing the following.

1. PLAB test. Will entitle you to provisional or full registration, i.e. the first two scenarios. If you have completed what GMC would consider to be an equivalent to FY1 in your country (and by that they usually mean 6 months medicine and 6 months surgery) you'll be granted a full registration (on passing PLAB). Otherwise it'll be provisional.
The PLAB test is not difficult. You do need, however, to take an English test first, and you can only take the second part after passing the first. So in the most favorable scenario (passing everything in one attempt) you're talking about a year time wise.

2. Sponsorship - granted by a respective Royal College. As far as I know, this route to registration was really easy to follow in the early 2000's but then the colleges stopped sponsoring overseas doctors. I might be wrong on this one.

3. Obtaining acceptable postgraduate qualifications. These include MRCP, MRCS and so on (there is a list on the GMC website). IMHO, if you're capable of passing those you might as well shoot for the specialist registration (see below).

4. To get specialist registration you can apply via Article 14. This is an expensive and lengthy process (you need to submit a small briefcase of supporting documents) but at the end you get a specialist registration and a lot of opportunities.

5. You may also demonstrate in some other way that your qualifications and experience are sufficient to work in an unsupervised consultant post. I believe this is the route usmd followed (correct me if I'm wrong). I don't know the details about this route to registration.

Also, PMETB has ceased to exist (it was merged with the GMC). Dig their website for information. It's very confusing but it is all there.
http://www.gmc-uk.org/doctors/index.asp
 
Hi bami thanks for your help. What do you mean I am considered equal. Can you direct me somewhere for that. To find some more info.

On the GMC web site i found only this :
"
The possible ways in my situation are:
1. The Professional and Linguistic Assessments Board (PLAB) test
2. Acceptable postgraduate qualifications
3. Sponsorship
4. Eligibility for specialist registration or GP registration"

So if I exclude 1,2 and 4.
under 3 I have sponsorship. Is it possible to find a sponsor and can you give me some ideas to help me on this.

Thanks a lot . This is huge help. god bless you
haus

Why would you exclude PLAB? In my opinion it's much more straightforward than trying to obtain an elusive sponsorship.

If you're interested in sponsorship look at the link you posted. There is a list of approved sponsors which you'll need to contact individually. As far as I know, the Royal Colleges stopped sponsoring overseas physicians around 2005. There is no uniform policy on this though, and the only way to be sure is to contact each sponsoring body.
 
You can "enter" the UK system at different levels.

1. If you're a fresh graduate you can apply for provisional registration and then apply for Foundation Year 1 (FY1) posts. In foundation posts you rotate through different specialties (three to four months in each), similar to the US preliminary programs.

2. If you have some postgraduate experience but are not quite at the level of independent "senior" physician, you can apply for full registration and then apply either for FY2 or for Specialty Training (ST1, 2... and so forth). What ST year you can apply for will depend on how much previous experience in the specialty you have.

Only if there is no suitable EU graduate or citizen.

Edit- just realised you actually said this further down. It pretty much is impossible though!
 
In the third scenario there is a shortage of consultants (in many but not all specialties). So it shouldn't be a problem to find a job. The problem is getting that registration.

This is wrong. There is a shortage in consultants in terms of what the NHS needs, there is not a shortage of applicants and getting a job at this level is almost impossible. The way the system works you basically have to wait for a consultant to retire or die to get a post.
 
This is wrong. There is a shortage in consultants in terms of what the NHS needs, there is not a shortage of applicants and getting a job at this level is almost impossible. The way the system works you basically have to wait for a consultant to retire or die to get a post.
I am not sure about the big picture but I have been closely following BMJ Careers for my specialty (pathology) and it seems like they are crying out loud for consultants. I might be mistaken of course, although I hope I am not (otherwise I'm screwed big time). I'll be sure to post my experience when I apply in three or four years.
 
I am not sure about the big picture but I have been closely following BMJ Careers for my specialty (pathology) and it seems like they are crying out loud for consultants. I might be mistaken of course, although I hope I am not (otherwise I'm screwed big time). I'll be sure to post my experience when I apply in three or four years.

Following BMJ careers and actually being around and seeing what happens are pretty different things. As for path, it is possible considering the nature of the job but it certainly isn't the case in any other specialty and I doubt it is in path either really. The vast majority of doctors here never become a consultant, there are so many people stuck at staff grade, if you are expecting to just walk into a consultant job you are out of your mind.
 
Following BMJ careers and actually being around and seeing what happens are pretty different things. As for path, it is possible considering the nature of the job but it certainly isn't the case in any other specialty and I doubt it is in path either really. The vast majority of doctors here never become a consultant, there are so many people stuck at staff grade, if you are expecting to just walk into a consultant job you are out of your mind.
I guess I might be but I'll still try my damndest to do exactly that.
 
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