How much money do YOU expect to make?

[SexyDoctor]

Those gon be two mighty small girls in the back. Not my thing, personally.

well I definitely dont want my chikies to be bigger than me

hold on: I'm a girl, what do I care?

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[SexyDoctor]

If you can't drive stick you'll be a terrible doctor.

 

[911 Turbo]

Lamborghini Reventon

Pagani Zonda

Ferrari Enzo

I don't think any doctor will be able to afford these anytime soon.

Ok I'm done...now that I think about it isn't there a car thread in the lounge?

 

[SexyDoctor]

I don't think any doctor will be able to afford these anytime soon.

Ok I'm done...now that I think about it isn't there a car thread in the lounge?

That I would have to agree with.

There was a thread but it like died. I tried to revive it, but with no luck

 

[FlowRate]

Gross.

Manual FTW.

Just bought the car in my avatar about a month and a half ago, manual tranny (my first). It's so fun

 

[gettheleadout]

But what happens if regulations are loosened to the point that some foreign doctors can practice medicine in the US without a US residency? How can US doctors make six-figure incomes if we have to compete with Indian doctors on an equal footing? (which is not how it is today, since US med students currently are at a huge advantage when it comes to residencies).

To expect this not to happen in the next 40 years or so is naive.

To claim this with such certainty is arrogant.

 

[bubbadoc]

omg me too

SOUL MATES?????

Hey now, step off my woman lady. I proposed ze marriage first.

 

[calvnandhobbs68]

Those gon be two mighty small girls in the back. Not my thing, personally.

Aww yea but think about how many chicks you could fit in the pimped out Astrovan

 

[cowme]

If I was a gunner then why would I consider a DO school instead of an allo school with better opportunities for neurosurgery, derm, radiology, etc.? And if I was a gunner, I would have never gotten low grades in undergrad.

Because you're an idiot. We've been over this.

 

[I'm No Superman]

I don't like Aston Martins.

How about this?:

 

[pancakesyrup]

Nope, but he sounds like he doesn't have a clue about medicine if he actually advocated for the abolishing of medical licenses. Just like whoever wrote your website who thinks that indian docs are gonna take over American medicine, lol.

No, he is saying that removing the barriers of foreign doctors to practice in the US will cut down on health care costs by driving down doctor salaries, just as free trade drives down the wages of auto workers. He's not saying it will happen, but he is saying it is a good idea. As health care costs relentlessly rise, that option will become more attractive for the vast majority of Americans.

Stop calling me an idiot, or else I will report you.
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[Web MD]

A subtle blend of 2 parts racism to 1 part nationalism should counter that for years to come

 

[NickNaylor]

No, he is saying that removing the barriers of foreign doctors to practice in the US will cut down on health care costs by driving down doctor salaries, just as free trade drives down the wages of auto workers. He's not saying it will happen, but he is saying it is a good idea. As health care costs relentlessly rise, that option will become more attractive for the vast majority of Americans.

Stop calling me an idiot, or else I will report you.
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[MDPhDJourney]

Neurosurgery - 600k ??

 

[Ignatius M.D.]

Lamborghini Reventon

Pagani Zonda

Ferrari Enzo

I don't think any doctor will be able to afford these anytime soon.

Ok I'm done...now that I think about it isn't there a car thread in the lounge?

Too ostentatious sir. I'd rather stick with a G37, M3 coupe, or Audi S5. Lambos scream "I can't get laid without this car. I hope my expensive shades/shirt with 3 undone buttons distract you from my premature balding. Please let me buy you things in exchange for sexual encounters".

 

[SexyDoctor]

Too ostentatious sir. I'd rather stick with a G37, M3 coupe, or Audi S5. Lambos scream "I can't get laid without this car. I hope my expensive shades/shirt with 3 undone buttons distract you from my premature balding. Please let me buy you things in exchange for sexual encounters".

 

[pancakesyrup]

A subtle blend of 2 parts racism to 1 part nationalism should counter that for years to come

But society has become much more politically correct over time.

 

[Web MD]

That's why I said subtle. Overt racism is so 2010. And nationalism will never die. AMURICA!

 

[SexyDoctor]

That's why I said subtle. Overt racism is so 2010. And nationalism will never die. AMURICA!

bring me some freedom fries yeah

 

[Ignatius M.D.]

That's why I said subtle. Overt racism is so 2010. And nationalism will never die. AMURICA!

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[gettheleadout]

So if we don't require FMG's and IMG's to hold a US License, how do we evaluate the competence of foreign doctors from a hundred different training backgrounds, any of which may or may not have been sufficient to engender competence.

Inb4atonofpatientsdie

 

[pancakesyrup]

So if we don't require FMG's and IMG's to hold a US License, how do we evaluate the competence of foreign doctors from a hundred different training backgrounds, any of which may or may not have been sufficient to engender competence.

Inb4atonofpatientsdie

They could make licensing easier for FMGs, and maybe allow residencies in other countries that meet ACGME standards, so foreign doctors can come to the US and practice medicine right away.

But this same economist, Dean Baker, who proposes this, is strongly against doing the same for nurses.
http://bellaciao.org/en/spip.php?article12110

 

[luli]

Hmm... I'll be unhappy with less than 200k, unless someone makes my student loans go *poof*. The road to becoming a physician is long and arduous, I'd better make more than my husband does with a bachelor's degree (110k).

I won't spend it on cars or giant houses, though (nothing wrong with that if you are into it). I want to travel the world in style .

 

[iqe2010]

I'm not going to get married or have kids, so I would be fine with anything over 85k after taxes. Most likely I won't buy a house, hopefully I can find a nice condo located in a nice part of Dallas. I'm a pretty simple guy. Luxury cars aren't my thing, neither are big houses.

 

[JimmyChitwood]

This thread is about 100 times better than the stuff in the allo forum...sent me into about 3 fits of laughter

I plan on settling down in the midwest/south somewhere...300 to 500 stacks is absolutely doable as a specialist. I'll take it.

Cars aren't my thing either. I'll take something and just go black on black. I'd rather save some money and then jet-set/buy a nice villa in the mediterranean or off the coast of portugal when the exchange rate trends downward...cars are not investments.

 

[DucktorQuack]

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[pancakesyrup]

It depends on the specialty.

If I become an internist, then I expect 120K.
If I become a pathologist, then 140K.
190K for cardiologists and orthopedics.
Maybe 230K for neurosurgeons.

This is what I expect 10 years from now.

If we have "free trade" in physicians like Dean Baker proposes, these numbers are very possible.

 

[cowme]

Stop calling me an idiot, or else I will report you.
http://www.studentdoctor.net/online-service-agreement/

 

[tn4596]

why do everyone on this thread want to be specialist and bank lmao?
arent most residencies IM or family medicine? (i state this with uncertainty)
if I spend 3 year in residency i want to make about 30% more than a PA or pharmacist (wutever their salaries are)
if I spend 5-7 years in residency i want to make at least twice what PA make.
This is purely because I should be compensated properly for the work i put into.

 

[gettheleadout]

why do everyone on this thread want to be specialist and bank lmao?
arent most residencies IM or family medicine? (i state this with uncertainty)
if I spend 3 year in residency i want to make about 30% more than a PA or pharmacist (wutever their salaries are)
if I spend 5-7 years in residency i want to make at least twice what PA make.
This is purely because I should be compensated properly for the work i put into.

I find the "time in = money out" fallacy interesting. What about PhD's that do a couple years of post-doc still make far less than attending primary care docs?

 

[tn4596]

I find the "time in = money out" fallacy interesting. What about PhD's that do a couple years of post-doc still make far less than attending primary care docs?

I think comparing PA to MD is more relevant since most phDs are not in the medical field. Think about it, would it be fair to pay a PA and a IM or family doctor the same wage? or pay specialist and family doc the same thing?
obviously less people (some1 will do it) would become specialist and then we would have a shortage of specialists, thus the specialist wage would go up...
plus, i dont think the average postdoc are time-intensive as a medical residency. phD wage are justified because they are sort of in control of how much they make because their income can come from many sources.

 

[pancakesyrup]

why do everyone on this thread want to be specialist and bank lmao?
arent most residencies IM or family medicine? (i state this with uncertainty)
if I spend 3 year in residency i want to make about 30% more than a PA or pharmacist (wutever their salaries are)
if I spend 5-7 years in residency i want to make at least twice what PA make.
This is purely because I should be compensated properly for the work i put into.

A PA makes about 90K. So you think neurosurgeons and interventional cardiologists who spend 7 years in residency/fellowship should make 180K?

Sounds low, but it could happen in the future if the government clamps down on physician income.

For all these huge income drops to pass, we'd have to have a government that either hates doctors, or wants to clamp down on the top 5-10% of Americans in general. Because in the past 30 years, the political establishment has favored the wealthy as well as the most educated professionals. Doctors have mostly done well, with the exceptions being family practitioners and cardiothoracic surgeons. Since American politics is so turbulent (it took 2 years to go from Obama ushering in a new liberal era, to a Tea Party Republican rout), and since the diminishing middle class is a revolt waiting to happen, I wouldn't be too excited about making 250K+, regardless of specialty. Once pro-middle class politicians are elected, they will soak the rich, and likely target doctors as well by cutting reimbursements and opening up doctor immigration (as well as other professions), or by allowing DNPs to call themselves "physicians". The increasing disparity of wealth in the past 30 years isn't sustainable in any society, and something has to give, whether it be social unrest or a political revolution or both.

 

[oaklandguy]

To answer the original question: "Enough to purchase a car that induces panty dropping"

Also would like to put food on the table, but definitely not as important as the fresh to death whip riding on four fours. Would also prefer to be iced out and have the ability to drop stacks at Jacob's or Tiffany's. Definitely need heated floors in the crib and a grotto. That's all, I would say that would run at about $4 mill throughout the span of my career including taxes.

 

[tn4596]

A PA makes about 90K. So you think neurosurgeons and interventional cardiologists who spend 7 years in residency/fellowship should make 180K?

Sounds low, but it could happen in the future if the government clamps down on physician income.

For all these huge income drops to pass, we'd have to have a government that either hates doctors, or wants to clamp down on the top 5-10% of Americans in general. Because in the past 30 years, the political establishment has favored the wealthy as well as the most educated professionals. Doctors have mostly done well, with the exceptions being family practitioners and cardiothoracic surgeons. Since American politics is so turbulent (it took 2 years to go from Obama ushering in a new liberal era, to a Tea Party Republican rout), and since the diminishing middle class is a revolt waiting to happen, I wouldn't be too excited about making 250K+, regardless of specialty. Once pro-middle class politicians are elected, they will soak the rich, and likely target doctors as well by cutting reimbursements and opening up doctor immigration (as well as other professions), or by allowing DNPs to call themselves "physicians". The increasing disparity of wealth in the past 30 years isn't sustainable in any society, and something has to give, whether it be social unrest or a political revolution or both.

I just say "at least" twice, it might happen in the future who know, i feel like if i choose the long road, by the time i get established the whole system gonna change dramatically since the current system is inadequate and it is getting worse and worse with more babyboomers getting old and all the medicaid medicare funding running out...

 

[gettheleadout]

I think comparing PA to MD is more relevant since most phDs are not in the medical field. Think about it, would it be fair to pay a PA and a IM or family doctor the same wage? or pay specialist and family doc the same thing?
obviously less people (some1 will do it) would become specialist and then we would have a shortage of specialists, thus the specialist wage would go up...
plus, i dont think the average postdoc are time-intensive as a medical residency. phD wage are justified because they are sort of in control of how much they make because their income can come from many sources.

The point I was making was that compensation is more related to scope of responsibility and expertise than actual time in training.

 

[postbacpremed87]

Compensation is more correlated to how much profit you bring in. Why do you think interventional cardiologists who get in with profit sharing firms make upwards of 800k? It's the volume you do + environmental factors (profit sharing plan) that enhances the revenue you make off of your volume.

Though speaking about procedures/patients as volume gives me a feeling. It is reality though...

The point I was making was that compensation is more related to scope of responsibility and expertise than actual time in training.