how not to tell people what u study medicine (continued)

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I realize this topic was closed but it's interesting and merits some more input.

When questioned about what I do, I'm always up front about being in medical school for two reasons: first, by virtue of denying who we really are, we are, in fact, setting ourselves apart and may be perceived as more arrogant, and falsely humble, than if we had been forthright initially.

Second, <img border="0" alt="[Pity]" title="" src="graemlins/pity.gif" /> I lived with my parents until I was 25, making $6.00 / hr. cleaning sweat off of weight machines and collecting dirty towels in a fitness center. Let's just say that I indulged in the lion's share of self - denial then.

There were a lot of good excuses as to why one wouldn't be candid about their status as a medical student in the original post of this topic. However, don't ever feel guilty about the respect and privilege that we've earned and rightly deserve. Self - denial is a "privilege" reserved for those poor souls who have a legitimate reason to be deceptive as to what they and their circumstances are all about. Ben Affleck drove this point home to Matt Damon in "Good Will Hunting." If you haven't seen it, rent it and you'll know what I'm trying to get across.

On a lighter note, I have a funny story along these same lines. I was working a low paying, lowbrow job while waiting to hear if I had been accepted to medical school. There was a really cute girl working in the same area who I took an interest in and started to pursue. Because she was in a higher position than myself and the embodiment of a "gold digger," she would have nothing to do with me and went to great lengths to humiliate, in front of others no less, somebody as presumptuous as myself who would dare even look at, much less speak to, her royal highness. Well, after a couple months of enduring this and establishing myself as a real schnook for getting trampled on, I got the acceptance letter. I hadn't told anybody about my ambition to become a doctor because I didn't want to count my chickens before they hatched, but as soon as I found out I was in, the word spread like wildfire and my plan was about to take effect.

I waited until there was a group of people, including the girl, in the office and walked in like I owned the place. Amongst all the "congratulations" and high - fives, she asked me if I "wanted to do something this weekend," and I said, while everyone waited for my response with bated breath, :cool: "jeez, I'd really like to but you'll have to ask my girlfried's permission." Jaws dropped, egos burst, as I left the office, never to return again. I'm not at all that arrogant or sadistic, but this one had it coming to her.

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HA, HA, HA!!! Nice <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />
 
Wow, great story!!! Way to get back at her. For me, however, things have been in reverse since I was accepted to med school. A year ago I was dating different guys every weekend and having a really good time. It was ok to be shooting for med school - I think most guys thought it was cute, but who knows if they really took me seriously. But when I got in and guys heard about it, the dates dropped off dramatically! No guy wanted to be with a girl who wouldn't be able to cook him dinner and rub his feet every night, as well as give birth to three kids...at least that was the impression I got. Sometimes I think whoever I marry will have to be another doctor/med student because no one else seems to appreciate the work.
 
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I hate it how some girls are like that. How are you ever supposed to figure out if a girl likes you for who you are as opposed to what you do? Sometimes it's obvious like it was in your case, but there is a whole world of ambiguity out there. Not like I'm getting asked out left and right or anything, but I have noticed that there have a few girls in the past who became "nicer" to me after they found out that I was in medical school. Sometimes I feel like I should carry around a statement that has all of my loans whenever I am going to meet with non-medical people just to prove to them that I am not "loaded", but in fact I am the opposite of "loaded" and will likely be poor for the next 15 yrs or so. Non-medical people just don't seem to understand the predicament of doctors in training.
 
Why was the previous thread on this topic closed?

The opposite experiences in the dating scene that men and women in medicine have is pretty interesting. It seems that women drool over a man who's going to be a doctor, but men are turned off by women pursuing the same profession. I guess I'm lucky to have a boyfriend who's secure enough in his manhood not to be frightened off by an ambitious woman with high aspirations for herself. :wink: :D <img border="0" alt="[Lovey]" title="" src="graemlins/lovey.gif" />
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by andrea:
• No guy wanted to be with a girl who wouldn't be able to cook him dinner and rub his feet every night, as well as give birth to three kids...at least that was the impression I got. Sometimes I think whoever I marry will have to be another doctor/med student because no one else seems to appreciate the work.•••••You know, my husband totally doesn't understand men who have a problem with their girlfriend/wife becoming a doctor. The way he looks at it, in about 10 years, he can quit working! He says he doesn't understand all these men who want to work their butts off all their lives because it's "manly" to "be the breadwinner." He tells me he's looking forward to me winning the bread in the future! :wink:
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by Amy:
•Why was the previous thread on this topic closed?

•••••Actually, it wasn't closed. It was kicked to the Lounge. And the moderator who did this didn't even post a message on the thread about moving it, so we don't even know who it was.

I also don't understand that individual's logic - it seemed to me to be a serious topic of interest to med students, so it seemed like it belonged here.

Would the person who moved the thread care to comment?
 
I'm not sure who moved it or why, but it may be because this topic is beneficial to all medical students (osteo included) and residents who frequent the rotations/residencies forum. :)
 
If you look at the top of the closed thread to the left of the new topic, post reply, etc. buttons you will see in orange that it says that the thread has been moved to the lounge
 
Just to put a spin on things here-
When I was pre-med the guy that I was dating told me that he was happy that I was going to be a doctor, because he had always seen himself as a househusband one day. He was serious. I was not too impressed with his comment, though. We didn't last much longer after that.
 
I'll take a house-husband as long as he is truly following his dreams/goals and those goals are not just couch-potatoeing all day long. :wink:
 
Here's a link to the post if you want to read it. it's received responses since it was moved:

<a href="http://forums.studentdoctor.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=28;t=004044" target="_blank">http://forums.studentdoctor.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=28;t=004044</a>

Thank you for all your post, it has been edifying :)
 
that's a really funny subject...i'd missed the earlier thread cause i haven't been reading good old sdn so much now that i'm cruising through the summer before school. but i have felt kind of awkward when i'm out and people ask me what i do. i usually say "nothing" - cause it's true right now - and they usually find that interesting enough to start a conversation. i'm proud as heck that i'm going to medical school, but i don't want to wander around saying that first because it's by no means the most interesting thing about me, andi have found that people make a lot of assumptions. as the conversation continues, i often say "i'm going to grad school" and then if they ask "what are you going to study?", i say medicine. by that point, it seems that i don't think it's the most boastworthy subject and if the conversation focuses on medical education, it's usually the benign, if somewhat boring usual questions: 'what specialty? why?', etc.

i went to a prestigious undergrad school, and i did the same thing - would tell people i went to school in the state of my college. which may have wound up being construed as arrogant once they pressed. but i felt the same way: proud, but not thinking it said any of the things about me a random partygoer might assume. (i.e. that i was smarter, more ambitious, etc. than the average joe...)
 
The original story sounds pretty funny, but I wouldn't doubt for a minute that it happened. In my experience, attractive people in general(from both sexes) seem to be shallow, perhaps because they never had to rely on anything rather than looks(or something, beats me).

But anywhoo, I know that the intent of this reply is not entirely related, but I feel its warranted anyway and perhaps further discussion will ensue.

I was just wondering if this situation has ever happened to any of you out there:

You find out that you have been accepted to med school, and you feel like a million bucks because you've finally made your dream come true. And you begin to corresponde with your peers and future classmates. Funny thing happens though, perhaps the undergraduate institution that you attended is not quite as prestigous or well known as the one that they attended(I won't divulge specific University names). And some of these individuals, even though that you have proven to be in a class that suggests your academic talent rivals theirs, seem to think that you may be inferior, may have gotten preferential treatment based on ethnicity or gender, or seem to think they are somehow higher above you. I have experienced this, not here on SDN, but, mainly during interviews and other forums. Just wondering if anyone else out there has any comments on this one?
 
I think that those people will soon learn the hard way that respect for a persons intelligence does NOT come automatically with a so-called prestigious diploma.

I have met some not too bright students at my so-called prestigious undergrad (I consider myself middle of the road). And I know some spectacularly bright people who did not even go to college.

All I can say is that the ignorant and self-important "elliot-syndrome" (if you watch scrubs , you'll know what I mean) will eventually come tumbling down. In the meantime have faith in yourself, who cares what they think anyway.
 
I think that you are improperly using the word "Elliot syndrome." I don't think that she is a self-important person. She is simply a overachiever, gunner who is very insecure as a doctor and as a person. She actually has very low esteem.
 
you have a good point! Probably those people mentioned by soon2bemd are insecure too and hide behind their prestigious credentials.

as for elliot, well, I think that I just don't like her...
 
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