how stressful is dentistry??????????

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whenever i meet new people, they ask me what career path i'm pursuing and i quickly answer dentistry. many of them tell me that its a very stressful profession.

i know the whole suicide and dentist thing has no scientific data to back it up. i only know a couple of dentists and they seem pretty satisfied with what they do. what about other dentists?

there is so much literature out there saying discussing the sources of stress in dentists. is dentistry really that stressful? is anyone here concerned?

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Very few practicing dentists are in the pre-dental forum. You might want to ask this elsewhere.
 
There's a little known but well understood saying: Dentistry is great when everything is going right. It's hell when it goes wrong.

This is so true. Dentistry can be the most frustrating thing in the world when it's not going as you planned. But when it does.....ahhhh I love it when a plan comes together!
 
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the dentist i shadowed made it look like the most chill job in the world compared to other jobs with similar compensations
 
vaio said:
the dentist i shadowed made it look like the most chill job in the world compared to other jobs with similar compensations

so did both the dentists i shadowed! :)
 
mellow_yellow said:
whenever i meet new people, they ask me what career path i'm pursuing and i quickly answer dentistry. many of them tell me that its a very stressful profession.

i know the whole suicide and dentist thing has no scientific data to back it up. i only know a couple of dentists and they seem pretty satisfied with what they do. what about other dentists?

there is so much literature out there saying discussing the sources of stress in dentists. is dentistry really that stressful? is anyone here concerned?

I have two close family members who share a dental practice, and I assure you it is stressful. They are busting at the seams with new patients, plus they have family member/friends who want free dental care, employees who may or may not get along, etc.... Thing is, its the only thing I want to do...ya hear that Temple???
 
every profession out there is stressful in a certain way. If you go work in a corporation, you have to worry about getting laid off. If you work as a MD, well, that's a hell of a lot more stressful than being a dentist for many different reasons. Stress is a part of life, and I think being a dentist is actually alot less stressful than many professions out there. You get to work on your own schedule, work whereever you want, and there are no worries of getting laid off. The suicide thing is obviously exaggerated.
 
drhobie7 said:
There's a little known but well understood saying: Dentistry is great when everything is going right. It's hell when it goes wrong.

This is so true. Dentistry can be the most frustrating thing in the world when it's not going as you planned. But when it does.....ahhhh I love it when a plan comes together!

Isn't this true for any profession though??
 
INFNITE said:
every profession out there is stressful in a certain way. If you go work in a corporation, you have to worry about getting laid off. If you work as a MD, well, that's a hell of a lot more stressful than being a dentist for many different reasons. Stress is a part of life, and I think being a dentist is actually alot less stressful than many professions out there. You get to work on your own schedule, work whereever you want, and there are no worries of getting laid off. The suicide thing is obviously exaggerated.


I completely agree with you! Nothing in life is easy... but atleast when you go into this profession, you have many options. If you cant handle the stress of owning your own practice you can be an associate somewhere. Also you will be making enough money where you wouldnt have to work 5 days a week to live well..... a good family friend of mine is a dentist...really got into implants....took a bunch of courses and is now a rep for nobel biocare, which is top notch in this industry. Now he works about 3 to 4 days a week, he goes to other offices puts implants, and does seminars for nobel biocare. He is averaging anywhere from 8 to 12 thousand A DAY!!!! Mind you he is not a specialist, he is just a general dentist. :thumbup: :thumbup:
 
mellow_yellow said:
whenever i meet new people, they ask me what career path i'm pursuing and i quickly answer dentistry. many of them tell me that its a very stressful profession.
 
mellow_yellow said:
whenever i meet new people, they ask me what career path i'm pursuing and i quickly answer dentistry. many of them tell me that its a very stressful profession.
 
wow, i feel blessed with this information. thanks!
 
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Goliad, you have a completely different perspective than a dentist that I've shadowed that has also been practicing for 40 years.

I'm sure he hears the dentist jokes and deals with hateful patients every day, but everyone reacts to stuff like that differently.
 
Goliad said:
Is this where I post on this suicide crap, and the stress of dentistry. Damned right it's stressful, if you give a damned about how good a job you do. The more successful usually go into this field thinking it's easy money..duhhh! Stupid reason. Nothing is "simple" about dentistry, and broad generalizations don't mean crap. I' ve practicing almost 40 years in this sorry ass field, and perfection is very much an absolute requirement if you are worth a damned, and care about your patients. Yes, dentistry is damned stressful. Painless dentistry is BS! So be ready to have a significant number of people got completely nuts when you barely enter their mouth. Fact number one about dental suicides, which likely enter the average of most professional doctors, is that many professional fields have stress factors, and your personal life are the key component to what the hell you will do under constant stress. To be really good in dentistry requires you pretty well better "marry" the job, and your damned wife had better not be a demanding bitch type. If you have kids, it's your damned funeral. FAct number two: Amalgam alloys may not be so pretty, unless you take the intense time to carve and finish them down to perfection and do a super finish on them. Polishing is rarely down to get them to a fine lustrous finish. Most don't do that because it takes time, and time is money. Oh yes, my friends, you'll turn out some crap from time to time because you are fighting a stressed out patient all too often, and those dentists who claim "painless" dentistry are liars or sorry damned dentists. Sure you inflict some pain. That threshold varies all over the place. But if you go to dental school, and use only a local anesthetic, there will always be a few patients who freak out, get pissed, scared, occasionally go into syncope, and your stress levels with any volume of patients doing any invasive, deep cutting with burs, scapels, cutting bone, and trying to practice 5 or 6 types of dental procedures will be working your ass off trying to be a "specialist" in those 5 or 6 areas to perfection. Patients expect perfection and some will hound you to death over a slight shade imperfection on an otherwise very nice restoration. Fact number 3: Be a tough SOB, or DON'T go into dentistry. You will be hated by a lot of patients cause they don't like your ass. They don't like pain,tough ****. Get used to it. If you can't deal with dingus patients, and there are plenty of them who whine and complain about everything, are scared damned babies, and want something for nothing. So they don't give a damned about your huge overhead costs, but want cheap prices for your ass-busting efforts. Get rid of the damned cheapskates! You have to be tough, no dobut about it. Patients will demand all kinds of crap for trash mouths they've neglected for 20 damned years, and want you to fix them up in 4 weeks for a stupid ass damned wedding where they want to "look good" when they smile. Remember always, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. FAct number 4: YOu are **** in most professional's eyes. Get used to it, or don't go into dentistry. After all, you'll never be considered a REAL doctor! You are the bad step child of medicine and labeled as the "loser" who wanted to be a real medical doctor. People are stupid dinguses. Shut them down,and get them out of your face, and carry a big stick. YES Dentistry, if you practice it for many many years, and only the 30 yr man has seen the hell of these bitching patients, is PAINFUL! It also is painful for you if you are not tough as nails. So you have to develop compassion, act that way, get your money up front, or they will take you to the cleaners. Dentists get paid last, or not at all. Now, as for this amalgam (silver alloy bull **** about mercury), poppycock. That is pure crap. It has been the bread and butter most reliable posterior restoration for over 150 years. So spare me the idiots who rant on about "mercury toxicity". It is NOT proven by significant double blind studies, and the theory is shot full of holes. I can guarantee you the pretty white fillings, so needed in this soft society of wimps are toxic maybe even more than amalgam. So tell the pundits of amalgam, and minimal mercury involved in it, that taking out all the amalgam restorations in favor of resin filled crap that won't hold up as long, that they are committing malpractice by taking out good amalgam restorations that have been serviceable for years, and still are. Fact number 5: Did I say that you are HATED? By doctors, and patients? Yes you are. Get used to it. As far as suicide, that is governed in part by the stress of many professions, and dentistry IS demanding if you perform it well, and that marriage, kids, and stress at home will either make you depressed possibly into the thoughts of suicide, or you develop a healthy hateful psychotic mind to deal with the bastards and bitches of this world. Otherwise, consider going into a monastery. Does this clear anything up? Dont judge me, those of you hypocrit sorry bastards out there. I know you're there,,you are everywhere, and I'd just as soon see you dead as alive. You don't mean crap to me. Put that in you pipe, and choke on it! I hope this gives you new novices some idea of the demands of dentistry, and how much you will be hated if you use only local anesthetic as we were required to do in the "Stone Age" of my learning and a tough dental school environment where professors reigned supreme, and hate your young student asses. Get used to it. The Marines need a few good men. It take the patience and toughness of a Marine to make a career of dentistry. I hope this is clear. I KNOW the truth of this damned sorry business. So you get the perspective you should know. Suicide is high among dentists?? Well, I don't know. But rest assured nobody will miss you for over a week or two if you kill yourself. So be ready, be tough, be a Marine! Take no **** off "real doctors", expect bad dental jokes about you, and be ready for the bastards you will treat time and time again. Trash mouths are everywhere, and perfection is very much required in dentistry. There is little room for error, and it is NEVER tolerated by others. In the U.S.A. there are lots of lawyer buzzards who want to eat you alive in court if you screw up. So bear that in mind. Maybe suicide ain't so bad after all? Good luck, think about this very hard, and find a rich woman. Above all, be tough, and cover your ass. Sincerely, Goliad

I have to admit that I do not have enough knowledge to intelligently correspond with many of your dental related points. However, I will tell you that the ambulance chasers and shady lawyer types are lurking around many professions just waiting for people to screw up - and there are bad consumers/customers/patients in nearly every public profession - and for those who do not deal with the general public, there are shady employees that will fake injuries and jack up your insurance claims, and others that will steal from you - etc. I can tell you that if you have been practicing dentistry for 40+ years, it is likely that you haven't had to experience much of the same in other professions or industry. I've had at least 8+ bogus workers comp claims that caused my insurance to be nearly unaffordable...I've had 3 client companies that claimed bankruptcy over the last two years and screw me out of $90,K…I’ve had recurring employee thefts that are justified because: “he will never notice”…”I deserve more pay”…”screw the owners, they’re rich”. I will tell you that having owned 3 businesses over the course of 10 years; I can submit a boat load of headaches that are associated with almost ANY industry.

I don't intend to offend, but your post sounds both disturbing and extreme. If your post is legitimate, I question whether or not you would be happy doing anything. You sound like someone who may actually be scaring patients away. Also with your brand new shiny ID, I am more inclined to think that this post was meant to be a bad joke. If your post IS real, I think it deserves to be here because all legitimate feedback should be heard. Someone who is bitter about the field has just as much to offer as those revering it. It sounds like your biggest mistake was staying in a profession that you seem to dislike. Get out in the "real" world, and you might see that you don't have it so bad. You might have been happier working on an assembly line without any human interaction.

That being said, best of luck.
 
vaio said:
the dentist i shadowed made it look like the most chill job in the world compared to other jobs with similar compensations

same here!!! I'm mean from time to time you might have encounter stress, but that's part of everyday's life. Also, who gives a crap about "the real doctors" and "the dentists who can't get into med school", this is what you like then that shouldn't bother you. I'm a current junior and one of my classmates starts with that joke because he was aiming for med school;the funny thing is that his GPA is significantly lower than mine and he's not even smart. My GPA is high enough to get in med, but I've never taken or even thought about taken the MCAT. Any physicians or anybody who start with that joke is no doubt in my mind a shallow and ignorant person. I think destistry is a higly respected and the most rewarding profession, that's why i want to be in it. All in all, if you do what you think is best for you, you should be happy.
 
Goliad said:
Is this where I post on this suicide crap, and the stress of dentistry. Damned right it's stressful, if you give a damned about how good a job you do. The more successful usually go into this field thinking it's easy money..duhhh! Stupid reason. Nothing is "simple" about dentistry, and broad generalizations don't mean crap. I' ve been practicing almost 40 years in this sorry ass field, and perfection is very much an absolute requirement if you are worth a damned, and care about your patients. Yes, dentistry is damned stressful. Painless dentistry is BS! So be ready to have a significant number of people got completely nuts when you barely enter their mouth. Fact number one about dental suicides, which likely enter the average of most professional doctors, is that many professional fields have stress factors, and your personal life are the key component to what the hell you will do under constant stress. To be really good in dentistry requires you pretty well better "marry" the job, and your damned wife had better not be a demanding bitch type. If you have kids, it's your damned funeral. FAct number two: Amalgam alloys may not be so pretty, unless you take the intense time to carve and finish them down to perfection and do a super finish on them. Polishing is rarely done to get them to a fine lustrous finish. Most don't do that because it takes time, and time is money. Oh yes, my friends, you'll turn out some crap from time to time because you are fighting a stressed out patient all too often, and those dentists who claim "painless" dentistry are liars or sorry damned dentists. Sure you inflict some pain. That threshold varies all over the place. But if you go to dental school, and use only a local anesthetic, there will always be a few patients who freak out, get pissed, scared, occasionally go into syncope, and your stress levels with any volume of patients doing any invasive, deep cutting with burs, scapels, cutting bone, and trying to practice 5 or 6 types of dental procedures will be working your ass off trying to be a "specialist" in those 5 or 6 areas to perfection. Patients expect perfection and some will hound you to death over a slight shade imperfection on an otherwise very nice restoration. Fact number 3: Be a tough SOB, or DON'T go into dentistry. You will be hated by a lot of patients cause they don't like your ass. They don't like pain,tough ****. Get used to it. If you can't deal with dingus patients, and there are plenty of them who whine and complain about everything, are scared damned babies, and want something for nothing. So they don't give a damned about your huge overhead costs, but want cheap prices for your ass-busting efforts. Get rid of the damned cheapskates! You have to be tough, no doubt about it. Patients will demand all kinds of crap for trash mouths they've neglected for 20 damned years, and want you to fix them up in 4 weeks for a stupid ass damned wedding where they want to "look good" when they smile. Remember always, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. FAct number 4: YOu are **** in most professional's eyes. Get used to it, or don't go into dentistry. After all, you'll never be considered a REAL doctor! You are the bad step child of medicine and labeled as the "loser" who wanted to be a real medical doctor. People are stupid dinguses. Shut them down,and get them out of your face, and carry a big stick. YES Dentistry, if you practice it for many many years, and only the 30 yr man has seen the real, constant hell of these bitching patients, is PAINFUL! It also is painful for you if you are not tough as nails. So you have to develop compassion, act that way, get your money up front, or they will take you to the cleaners. Dentists get paid last, or not at all. Now, as for this amalgam (silver alloy bull **** about mercury), poppycock. That is pure crap. It has been the bread and butter most reliable posterior restoration for over 150 years. So spare me the idiots who rant on about "mercury toxicity". It is NOT proven by significant double blind studies, and the theory is shot full of holes. I can guarantee you the pretty white fillings, so needed in this soft society of wimps are toxic maybe even more than amalgam. So tell the critics of amalgam, and minimal mercury involved in it, that taking out all the amalgam restorations in favor of resin filled crap that won't hold up as long, that they are committing malpractice by taking out good amalgam restorations that have been serviceable for years, and still are. Fact number 5: Did I say that you are HATED? By doctors, and patients? Yes you are. Get used to it. As far as suicide, that is governed in part by the stress of many professions, and dentistry IS demanding if you perform it well, and that marriage, kids, and stress at home will either make you depressed possibly into the thoughts of suicide, or you develop a healthy hateful psychotic mind to deal with the bastards and bitches of this world. Otherwise, consider going into a monastery. Does this clear anything up? Dont judge me, those of you hypocrit sorry bastards out there. I know you're there,,you are everywhere, and I'd just as soon see you dead as alive. You don't mean crap to me. Put that in your pipe, and choke on it! I hope this gives you new novices some idea of the demands of dentistry, and how much you will be hated if you use only local anesthetic as we were required to do in the "Stone Age" of my learning and a tough dental school environment where professors reigned supreme, and hate your young student asses. Get used to it. The Marines need a few good men. It take the patience and toughness of a Marine to make a career of dentistry. I hope this is clear. I KNOW the truth of this damned sorry business. So you get the perspective you should know. Suicide is high among dentists?? Well, I don't know. But rest assured nobody will miss you for over a week or two if you kill yourself. So be ready, be tough, be a Marine! Take no **** off "real doctors", expect bad dental jokes about you, and be ready for the bastards you will treat time and time again. Trash mouths are everywhere, and perfection is very much required in dentistry. There is little room for error, and it is NEVER tolerated by others. In the U.S.A. there are lots of lawyer buzzards who want to eat you alive in court if you screw up. So bear that in mind. Maybe suicide ain't so bad after all? Good luck, think about this very hard, and find a rich woman. Above all, be tough, and cover your ass. Sincerely, Goliad

Hello,

I almost did not want to reply to this post since I thought that it may be a joke. In case it is not, then please read my reply... What you just post in this forum indicated to me by far is the most uneducated, unprofessional and unjustified comment by any professionals I have know in my life time. It is your attitute that gives a bad name to yourself as well as to our profession. It seems to me that you have the most inferiority complex image ever casted on a dentist. Only insecure dentist like yourself have issues with " real doctors " and so forth... Have you ever seen this insecurity in PhDs, JDs ...? You have made obviously a wrong choice for your career and then in turn hates dentistry for it. Perhaps you always wanted to be a "real doctor" and had to settle for dentistry forever imagining yourself as a physician? If so, you are the most confused man I know who entered dentistry for the wrong reason. I suggest you get out of dentistry now before you do more harm to the public as well as to yourself.

Now, my response to the stress of dentistry is this... EVERY single fiels has its own problem. It is a part of life whether you choose medicine,dentistry, optometry or anything you choose. Nothing in life comes without a price. Do I think dentistry is more stressful than other profession? For some it is, for others like myself it is not. Dentistry is an excellent field with income potential and it will get even better. Don't let anybody tells you otherwise. DP
 
xxxTheDonxxx said:
same here!!! I'm mean from time to time you might have encounter stress, but that's part of everyday's life. Also, who gives a crap about "the real doctors" and "the dentists who can't get into med school", this is what you like then that shouldn't bother you. I'm a current junior and one of my classmates starts with that joke because he was aiming for med school;the funny thing is that his GPA is significantly lower than mine and he's not even smart. My GPA is high enough to get in med, but I've never taken or even thought about taken the MCAT. Any physicians or anybody who start with that joke is no doubt in my mind a shallow and ignorant person. I think destistry is a higly respected and the most rewarding profession, that's why i want to be in it. All in all, if you do what you think is best for you, you should be happy.

Good post.
 
Dr. Dai Phan said:
Hello,

I almost did not want to reply to this post since I thought that it may be a joke. In case it is not, then please read my reply... What you just post in this forum indicated to me by far is the most uneducated, unprofessional and unjustified comment by any professionals I have know in my life time. It is your attitute that gives a bad name to yourself as well as to our profession. It seems to me that you have the most inferiority complex image ever casted on a dentist. Only insecure dentist like yourself have issues with " real doctors " and so forth... Have you ever seen this insecurity in PhDs, JDs ...? You have made obviously a wrong choice for your career and then in turn hates dentistry for it. Perhaps you always wanted to be a "real doctor" and had to settle for dentistry forever imagining yourself as a physician? If so, you are the most confused man I know who entered dentistry for the wrong reason. I suggest you get out of dentistry now before you do more harm to the public as well as to yourself.

Now, my response to the stress of dentistry is this... EVERY single fiels has its own problem. It is a part of life whether you choose medicine,dentistry, optometry or anything you choose. Nothing in life comes without a price. Do I think dentistry is more stressful than other profession? For some it is, for others like myself it is not. Dentistry is an excellent field with income potential and it will get even better. Don't let anybody tells you otherwise. DP

Great points...I agree.
 
Dr. Dai Phan said:
Hello,

I almost did not want to reply to this post since I thought that it may be a joke. In case it is not, then please read my reply... What you just post in this forum indicated to me by far is the most uneducated, unprofessional and unjustified comment by any professionals I have know in my life time. It is your attitute that gives a bad name to yourself as well as to our profession. It seems to me that you have the most inferiority complex image ever casted on a dentist. Only insecure dentist like yourself have issues with " real doctors " and so forth... Have you ever seen this insecurity in PhDs, JDs ...? You have made obviously a wrong choice for your career and then in turn hates dentistry for it. Perhaps you always wanted to be a "real doctor" and had to settle for dentistry forever imagining yourself as a physician? If so, you are the most confused man I know who entered dentistry for the wrong reason. I suggest you get out of dentistry now before you do more harm to the public as well as to yourself.

Now, my response to the stress of dentistry is this... EVERY single fiels has its own problem. It is a part of life whether you choose medicine,dentistry, optometry or anything you choose. Nothing in life comes without a price. Do I think dentistry is more stressful than other profession? For some it is, for others like myself it is not. Dentistry is an excellent field with income potential and it will get even better. Don't let anybody tells you otherwise. DP

Dai Phan, this is not the first time you submit a beautiful post. i would add to all of this discussion one thing:

why the heck is it of any importance to know how people or other professionals (MDs, JDs, PH.Ds) look upon us? why should it be an issue if a med said that i am not a "real doc"? the term doctor is related to years of schooling as opposed to choice of profession. i am sure that most enthusiastic dental applicants are interested in dentistry because of the actual practice of dentistry, not because they wanna be called "real docs" and not because they wanna be looked at superiorly by other professionals...
 
Goliad said:
Is this where I post on this suicide crap, and the stress of dentistry. Damned right it's stressful, if you give a damned about how good a job you do. The more successful usually go into this field thinking it's easy money..duhhh! Stupid reason. Nothing is "simple" about dentistry, and broad generalizations don't mean crap. I' ve practicing almost 40 years in this sorry ass field, and perfection is very much an absolute requirement if you are worth a damned, and care about your patients. Yes, dentistry is damned stressful. Painless dentistry is BS! So be ready to have a significant number of people got completely nuts when you barely enter their mouth. Fact number one about dental suicides, which likely enter the average of most professional doctors, is that many professional fields have stress factors, and your personal life are the key component to what the hell you will do under constant stress. To be really good in dentistry requires you pretty well better "marry" the job, and your damned wife had better not be a demanding bitch type. If you have kids, it's your damned funeral. FAct number two: Amalgam alloys may not be so pretty, unless you take the intense time to carve and finish them down to perfection and do a super finish on them. Polishing is rarely down to get them to a fine lustrous finish. Most don't do that because it takes time, and time is money. Oh yes, my friends, you'll turn out some crap from time to time because you are fighting a stressed out patient all too often, and those dentists who claim "painless" dentistry are liars or sorry damned dentists. Sure you inflict some pain. That threshold varies all over the place. But if you go to dental school, and use only a local anesthetic, there will always be a few patients who freak out, get pissed, scared, occasionally go into syncope, and your stress levels with any volume of patients doing any invasive, deep cutting with burs, scapels, cutting bone, and trying to practice 5 or 6 types of dental procedures will be working your ass off trying to be a "specialist" in those 5 or 6 areas to perfection. Patients expect perfection and some will hound you to death over a slight shade imperfection on an otherwise very nice restoration. Fact number 3: Be a tough SOB, or DON'T go into dentistry. You will be hated by a lot of patients cause they don't like your ass. They don't like pain,tough ****. Get used to it. If you can't deal with dingus patients, and there are plenty of them who whine and complain about everything, are scared damned babies, and want something for nothing. So they don't give a damned about your huge overhead costs, but want cheap prices for your ass-busting efforts. Get rid of the damned cheapskates! You have to be tough, no dobut about it. Patients will demand all kinds of crap for trash mouths they've neglected for 20 damned years, and want you to fix them up in 4 weeks for a stupid ass damned wedding where they want to "look good" when they smile. Remember always, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. FAct number 4: YOu are **** in most professional's eyes. Get used to it, or don't go into dentistry. After all, you'll never be considered a REAL doctor! You are the bad step child of medicine and labeled as the "loser" who wanted to be a real medical doctor. People are stupid dinguses. Shut them down,and get them out of your face, and carry a big stick. YES Dentistry, if you practice it for many many years, and only the 30 yr man has seen the hell of these bitching patients, is PAINFUL! It also is painful for you if you are not tough as nails. So you have to develop compassion, act that way, get your money up front, or they will take you to the cleaners. Dentists get paid last, or not at all. Now, as for this amalgam (silver alloy bull **** about mercury), poppycock. That is pure crap. It has been the bread and butter most reliable posterior restoration for over 150 years. So spare me the idiots who rant on about "mercury toxicity". It is NOT proven by significant double blind studies, and the theory is shot full of holes. I can guarantee you the pretty white fillings, so needed in this soft society of wimps are toxic maybe even more than amalgam. So tell the pundits of amalgam, and minimal mercury involved in it, that taking out all the amalgam restorations in favor of resin filled crap that won't hold up as long, that they are committing malpractice by taking out good amalgam restorations that have been serviceable for years, and still are. Fact number 5: Did I say that you are HATED? By doctors, and patients? Yes you are. Get used to it. As far as suicide, that is governed in part by the stress of many professions, and dentistry IS demanding if you perform it well, and that marriage, kids, and stress at home will either make you depressed possibly into the thoughts of suicide, or you develop a healthy hateful psychotic mind to deal with the bastards and bitches of this world. Otherwise, consider going into a monastery. Does this clear anything up? Dont judge me, those of you hypocrit sorry bastards out there. I know you're there,,you are everywhere, and I'd just as soon see you dead as alive. You don't mean crap to me. Put that in you pipe, and choke on it! I hope this gives you new novices some idea of the demands of dentistry, and how much you will be hated if you use only local anesthetic as we were required to do in the "Stone Age" of my learning and a tough dental school environment where professors reigned supreme, and hate your young student asses. Get used to it. The Marines need a few good men. It take the patience and toughness of a Marine to make a career of dentistry. I hope this is clear. I KNOW the truth of this damned sorry business. So you get the perspective you should know. Suicide is high among dentists?? Well, I don't know. But rest assured nobody will miss you for over a week or two if you kill yourself. So be ready, be tough, be a Marine! Take no **** off "real doctors", expect bad dental jokes about you, and be ready for the bastards you will treat time and time again. Trash mouths are everywhere, and perfection is very much required in dentistry. There is little room for error, and it is NEVER tolerated by others. In the U.S.A. there are lots of lawyer buzzards who want to eat you alive in court if you screw up. So bear that in mind. Maybe suicide ain't so bad after all? Good luck, think about this very hard, and find a rich woman. Above all, be tough, and cover your ass. Sincerely, Goliad

:laugh: :laugh: I dont know, this doesnt sound very professional to me...I cant imagine it being this bad... This guy sounds like he is a 50 year old lawyer that has done some really BAD **** just for a buck, and now its all creeping back on him... Karma is a bitch isnt it Goliad??
 
fightingspirit said:
Dai Phan, this is not the first time you submit a beautiful post. i would add to all of this discussion one thing:

why the heck is it of any importance to know how people or other professionals (MDs, JDs, PH.Ds) look upon us? why should it be an issue if a med said that i am not a "real doc"? the term doctor is related to years of schooling as opposed to choice of profession. i am sure that most enthusiastic dental applicants are interested in dentistry because of the actual practice of dentistry, not because they wanna be called "real docs" and not because they wanna be looked at superiorly by other professionals...

"Real doc" versus "eye doc", "back doc" or tooth doc" comments stemmed from people's ignorance and naieveness. There are people who are in dentistry because of the nature of the profession and love doing it. While I was in my residency, my classmate has 2 brothers and one sister who are all in dentistry! Then there are people in dentistry because they could not get in medical school and then use dentistry as a "back up" physician "image" in which it is a terrible and wrong thing to do. These people will go through life never be satisfied as a dentist and will always feel inferior to physicians. These are the insecure people and their actions give the medical people the ignorance impression that dentists are a bunch of loosers who could not muster to be a "real doctor". It is their self -hurting thinking that proved to their own demise. DP
 
Note: Disregard all Goliad posts. Gol
 
64? shouldnt u be retired, on a beach with a mai tai in your hand? perhaps a mistress in the other?

Maybe thats why you're so tough, you havent had time to relax.
 
Goliad said:
OK, oh thou fountains of youth. Actually, I am highly sought. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. Why do they come? Because I am DAMNED GOOD, and GOOD to my patients! Don't hand me your limited bull ****. Non-professional? Hell, whoever thinks that hasn't seen me in action. I can outperform most I know, and do twice as much at 64 then most of you will do in your lifetime. Don't hand me your damned bull **** wisdom. I've been there kiddoes. And I don't need some holier than thou crap from you fake dumb ****s who think you know Hell. Live my life, and watch all your friends die, and your family endure lousy differential diagnoses. Some of you know Hell already. Some of you don't know the meaning of the word. I DO love my profession! It's dickweeds so friggin noble that piss me off. For those of you who don't like me,,tough! Get some guts. You're gonna need em. Like I said, they line up to see me. I don't owe you anything because I give my best to my patients, and have been around too long to bother with bull shyt opinions that are that of unknowing idiots. I also have a number of good friends. They like me too, believe it or not. What do I care what you think. I leveled with you, and some choose to shoot me down because I say what I think. If it's "professional" crap you want so as not to offend your baby sensitivities, then become a friggin lawyer. Oh yeah, I have lawyer friends too. Never mess with an old hand. Bastards like me live longer, and watch you pissants fall apart when the going really gets tough. Keep your mistaken opinions to yourself, and I will too. You can't handle tough sledding if my words bug you. Good luck boys and girls. You're gonna need it.
Damn dude... Take a prozac and drink a beer bro, you are obviously to stressed
 
it's called a lying troll. please dont feed. or lie next to him.
gotta love anonymous internet forums...
 
Goliad said:
Is this where I post on this suicide crap, and the stress of dentistry. Damned right it's stressful, if you give a damned about how good a job you do. The more successful usually go into this field thinking it's easy money..duhhh! Stupid reason. Nothing is "simple" about dentistry, and broad generalizations don't mean crap. I' ve been practicing almost 40 years in this sorry ass field, and perfection is very much an absolute requirement if you are worth a damned, and care about your patients. Yes, dentistry is damned stressful. Painless dentistry is BS! So be ready to have a significant number of people got completely nuts when you barely enter their mouth. Fact number one about dental suicides, which likely enter the average of most professional doctors, is that many professional fields have stress factors, and your personal life are the key component to what the hell you will do under constant stress. To be really good in dentistry requires you pretty well better "marry" the job, and your damned wife had better not be a demanding bitch type. If you have kids, it's your damned funeral. FAct number two: Amalgam alloys may not be so pretty, unless you take the intense time to carve and finish them down to perfection and do a super finish on them. Polishing is rarely done to get them to a fine lustrous finish. Most don't do that because it takes time, and time is money. Oh yes, my friends, you'll turn out some crap from time to time because you are fighting a stressed out patient all too often, and those dentists who claim "painless" dentistry are liars or sorry damned dentists. Sure you inflict some pain. That threshold varies all over the place. But if you go to dental school, and use only a local anesthetic, there will always be a few patients who freak out, get pissed, scared, occasionally go into syncope, and your stress levels with any volume of patients doing any invasive, deep cutting with burs, scapels, cutting bone, and trying to practice 5 or 6 types of dental procedures will be working your ass off trying to be a "specialist" in those 5 or 6 areas to perfection. Patients expect perfection and some will hound you to death over a slight shade imperfection on an otherwise very nice restoration. Fact number 3: Be a tough SOB, or DON'T go into dentistry. You will be hated by a lot of patients cause they don't like your ass. They don't like pain,tough ****. Get used to it. If you can't deal with dingus patients, and there are plenty of them who whine and complain about everything, are scared damned babies, and want something for nothing. So they don't give a damned about your huge overhead costs, but want cheap prices for your ass-busting efforts. Get rid of the damned cheapskates! You have to be tough, no doubt about it. Patients will demand all kinds of crap for trash mouths they've neglected for 20 damned years, and want you to fix them up in 4 weeks for a stupid ass damned wedding where they want to "look good" when they smile. Remember always, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. FAct number 4: YOu are **** in most professional's eyes. Get used to it, or don't go into dentistry. After all, you'll never be considered a REAL doctor! You are the bad step child of medicine and labeled as the "loser" who wanted to be a real medical doctor. People are stupid dinguses. Shut them down,and get them out of your face, and carry a big stick. YES Dentistry, if you practice it for many many years, and only the 30 yr man has seen the real, constant hell of these bitching patients, is PAINFUL! It also is painful for you if you are not tough as nails. So you have to develop compassion, act that way, get your money up front, or they will take you to the cleaners. Dentists get paid last, or not at all. Now, as for this amalgam (silver alloy bull **** about mercury), poppycock. That is pure crap. It has been the bread and butter most reliable posterior restoration for over 150 years. So spare me the idiots who rant on about "mercury toxicity". It is NOT proven by significant double blind studies, and the theory is shot full of holes. I can guarantee you the pretty white fillings, so needed in this soft society of wimps are toxic maybe even more than amalgam. So tell the critics of amalgam, and minimal mercury involved in it, that taking out all the amalgam restorations in favor of resin filled crap that won't hold up as long, that they are committing malpractice by taking out good amalgam restorations that have been serviceable for years, and still are. Fact number 5: Did I say that you are HATED? By doctors, and patients? Yes you are. Get used to it. As far as suicide, that is governed in part by the stress of many professions, and dentistry IS demanding if you perform it well, and that marriage, kids, and stress at home will either make you depressed possibly into the thoughts of suicide, or you develop a healthy hateful psychotic mind to deal with the bastards and bitches of this world. Otherwise, consider going into a monastery. Does this clear anything up? Dont judge me, those of you hypocrit sorry bastards out there. I know you're there,,you are everywhere, and I'd just as soon see you dead as alive. You don't mean crap to me. Put that in your pipe, and choke on it! I hope this gives you new novices some idea of the demands of dentistry, and how much you will be hated if you use only local anesthetic as we were required to do in the "Stone Age" of my learning and a tough dental school environment where professors reigned supreme, and hate your young student asses. Get used to it. The Marines need a few good men. It take the patience and toughness of a Marine to make a career of dentistry. I hope this is clear. I KNOW the truth of this damned sorry business. So you get the perspective you should know. Suicide is high among dentists?? Well, I don't know. But rest assured nobody will miss you for over a week or two if you kill yourself. So be ready, be tough, be a Marine! Take no **** off "real doctors", expect bad dental jokes about you, and be ready for the bastards you will treat time and time again. Trash mouths are everywhere, and perfection is very much required in dentistry. There is little room for error, and it is NEVER tolerated by others. In the U.S.A. there are lots of lawyer buzzards who want to eat you alive in court if you screw up. So bear that in mind. Maybe suicide ain't so bad after all? Good luck, think about this very hard, and find a rich woman. Above all, be tough, and cover your ass. Sincerely, Goliad

Err.. uh.. never mind
 
Goliad said:
So yes, I know hell, and I know huge mistakes this country is making. Yet nobody listens to me. So to hell with it. I'm leaving this forum. Good luck. Like I said, some of you may have Daddy and Mommy leaving you a lot of assets, and some will go broke, and know Hell like I have, but in different ways. Only God has the right to judge me, so the rest can just shut the hell up. Adios, amigos.


Cry harder, douche.
 
Aldeswari said:
Cry harder, douche.
haha, my thoughts exactly. This guy is such a lying troll. Either that, or the angriest dentist in history.

Stress is simple. You can either handle it, or you cant. Some people are made to be ER doctors, some people are made to flunk out and become janitors, dems da breaks.

Stress is easily managed or at least coped with if you are headstrong and confident. Believe in yourself, dont overwhelm yourself and try not to overthink every little thing.

Yes, our future profession is stressful, as is almost every single profession out there. So if you want to make a ton of money with great hours and benefits, then continue ahead, if you want to push papers or mop floors, then do that.
 
Goliad said:
So yes, I know hell, and I know huge mistakes this country is making. Yet nobody listens to me.
Hmm, no one listens to you eh? I can't possible understand why that is. :confused: :confused: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Try calming down, maybe take a xanax...or 4.

Goliad said:
So to hell with it. I'm leaving this forum.
Good riddance. See ya, wouldn't wanna be ya.
 
Goliad said:
Is this where I post on this suicide crap, and the stress of dentistry. Damned right it's stressful, if you give a damned about how good a job you do. The more successful usually go into this field thinking it's easy money..duhhh! Stupid reason. Nothing is "simple" about dentistry, and broad generalizations don't mean crap. I' ve been practicing almost 40 years in this sorry ass field, and perfection is very much an absolute requirement if you are worth a damned, and care about your patients. Yes, dentistry is damned stressful. Painless dentistry is BS! So be ready to have a significant number of people got completely nuts when you barely enter their mouth. Fact number one about dental suicides, which likely enter the average of most professional doctors, is that many professional fields have stress factors, and your personal life are the key component to what the hell you will do under constant stress. To be really good in dentistry requires you pretty well better "marry" the job, and your damned wife had better not be a demanding bitch type. If you have kids, it's your damned funeral. FAct number two: Amalgam alloys may not be so pretty, unless you take the intense time to carve and finish them down to perfection and do a super finish on them. Polishing is rarely done to get them to a fine lustrous finish. Most don't do that because it takes time, and time is money. Oh yes, my friends, you'll turn out some crap from time to time because you are fighting a stressed out patient all too often, and those dentists who claim "painless" dentistry are liars or sorry damned dentists. Sure you inflict some pain. That threshold varies all over the place. But if you go to dental school, and use only a local anesthetic, there will always be a few patients who freak out, get pissed, scared, occasionally go into syncope, and your stress levels with any volume of patients doing any invasive, deep cutting with burs, scapels, cutting bone, and trying to practice 5 or 6 types of dental procedures will be working your ass off trying to be a "specialist" in those 5 or 6 areas to perfection. Patients expect perfection and some will hound you to death over a slight shade imperfection on an otherwise very nice restoration. Fact number 3: Be a tough SOB, or DON'T go into dentistry. You will be hated by a lot of patients cause they don't like your ass. They don't like pain,tough ****. Get used to it. If you can't deal with dingus patients, and there are plenty of them who whine and complain about everything, are scared damned babies, and want something for nothing. So they don't give a damned about your huge overhead costs, but want cheap prices for your ass-busting efforts. Get rid of the damned cheapskates! You have to be tough, no doubt about it. Patients will demand all kinds of crap for trash mouths they've neglected for 20 damned years, and want you to fix them up in 4 weeks for a stupid ass damned wedding where they want to "look good" when they smile. Remember always, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. FAct number 4: YOu are **** in most professional's eyes. Get used to it, or don't go into dentistry. After all, you'll never be considered a REAL doctor! You are the bad step child of medicine and labeled as the "loser" who wanted to be a real medical doctor. People are stupid dinguses. Shut them down,and get them out of your face, and carry a big stick. YES Dentistry, if you practice it for many many years, and only the 30 yr man has seen the real, constant hell of these bitching patients, is PAINFUL! It also is painful for you if you are not tough as nails. So you have to develop compassion, act that way, get your money up front, or they will take you to the cleaners. Dentists get paid last, or not at all. Now, as for this amalgam (silver alloy bull **** about mercury), poppycock. That is pure crap. It has been the bread and butter most reliable posterior restoration for over 150 years. So spare me the idiots who rant on about "mercury toxicity". It is NOT proven by significant double blind studies, and the theory is shot full of holes. I can guarantee you the pretty white fillings, so needed in this soft society of wimps are toxic maybe even more than amalgam. So tell the critics of amalgam, and minimal mercury involved in it, that taking out all the amalgam restorations in favor of resin filled crap that won't hold up as long, that they are committing malpractice by taking out good amalgam restorations that have been serviceable for years, and still are. Fact number 5: Did I say that you are HATED? By doctors, and patients? Yes you are. Get used to it. As far as suicide, that is governed in part by the stress of many professions, and dentistry IS demanding if you perform it well, and that marriage, kids, and stress at home will either make you depressed possibly into the thoughts of suicide, or you develop a healthy hateful psychotic mind to deal with the bastards and bitches of this world. Otherwise, consider going into a monastery. Does this clear anything up? Dont judge me, those of you hypocrit sorry bastards out there. I know you're there,,you are everywhere, and I'd just as soon see you dead as alive. You don't mean crap to me. Put that in your pipe, and choke on it! I hope this gives you new novices some idea of the demands of dentistry, and how much you will be hated if you use only local anesthetic as we were required to do in the "Stone Age" of my learning and a tough dental school environment where professors reigned supreme, and hate your young student asses. Get used to it. The Marines need a few good men. It take the patience and toughness of a Marine to make a career of dentistry. I hope this is clear. I KNOW the truth of this damned sorry business. So you get the perspective you should know. Suicide is high among dentists?? Well, I don't know. But rest assured nobody will miss you for over a week or two if you kill yourself. So be ready, be tough, be a Marine! Take no **** off "real doctors", expect bad dental jokes about you, and be ready for the bastards you will treat time and time again. Trash mouths are everywhere, and perfection is very much required in dentistry. There is little room for error, and it is NEVER tolerated by others. In the U.S.A. there are lots of lawyer buzzards who want to eat you alive in court if you screw up. So bear that in mind. Maybe suicide ain't so bad after all? Good luck, think about this very hard, and find a rich woman. Above all, be tough, and cover your ass. Sincerely, Goliad


it's like.....looking at a page of the bible....
 
I think I just wet myself.

Oh wait, just spilled my water, nevermind.
 
Wow this is some testimonial. Maybe I should go back to being a pre-med :laugh: :smuggrin: :laugh:

~El Sol
 
JamieMac said:
I have to admit that I do not have enough knowledge to intelligently correspond with many of your dental related points. However, I will tell you that the ambulance chasers and shady lawyer types are lurking around many professions just waiting for people to screw up - and there are bad consumers/customers/patients in nearly every public profession - and for those who do not deal with the general public, there are shady employees that will fake injuries and jack up your insurance claims, and others that will steal from you - etc. I can tell you that if you have been practicing dentistry for 40+ years, it is likely that you haven't had to experience much of the same in other professions or industry. I've had at least 8+ bogus workers comp claims that caused my insurance to be nearly unaffordable...I've had 3 client companies that claimed bankruptcy over the last two years and screw me out of $90,K…I’ve had recurring employee thefts that are justified because: “he will never notice”…”I deserve more pay”…”screw the owners, they’re rich”. I will tell you that having owned 3 businesses over the course of 10 years; I can submit a boat load of headaches that are associated with almost ANY industry.,,,Reply: Just disregard my posts. Gol
I don't intend to offend, but your post sounds both disturbing and extreme. If your post is legitimate, I question whether or not you would be happy doing anything. You sound like someone who may actually be scaring patients away. Also with your brand new shiny ID, I am more inclined to think that this post was meant to be a bad joke. If your post IS real, I think it deserves to be here because all legitimate feedback should be heard. Someone who is bitter about the field has just as much to offer as those revering it. It sounds like your biggest mistake was staying in a profession that you seem to dislike. Get out in the "real" world, and you might see that you don't have it so bad. You might have been happier working on an assembly line without any human interaction.

That being said, best of luck.
,,,sorry,,disregard my posts. Gol
 
JamieMac said:
I have to admit that I do not have enough knowledge to intelligently correspond with many of your dental related points. However, I will tell you that the ambulance chasers and shady lawyer types are lurking around many professions just waiting for people to screw up - and there are bad consumers/customers/patients in nearly every public profession - and for those who do not deal with the general public, there are shady employees that will fake injuries and jack up your insurance claims, and others that will steal from you - etc. I can tell you that if you have been practicing dentistry for 40+ years, it is likely that you haven't had to experience much of the same in other professions or industry. I've had at least 8+ bogus workers comp claims that caused my insurance to be nearly unaffordable...I've had 3 client companies that claimed bankruptcy over the last two years and screw me out of $90,K…I’ve had recurring employee thefts that are justified because: “he will never notice”…”I deserve more pay”…”screw the owners, they’re rich”. I will tell you that having owned 3 businesses over the course of 10 years; I can submit a boat load of headaches that are associated with almost ANY industry.

I don't intend to offend, but your post sounds both disturbing and extreme. If your post is legitimate, I question whether or not you would be happy doing anything. You sound like someone who may actually be scaring patients away. Also with your brand new shiny ID, I am more inclined to think that this post was meant to be a bad joke. If your post IS real, I think it deserves to be here because all legitimate feedback should be heard. Someone who is bitter about the field has just as much to offer as those revering it. It sounds like your biggest mistake was staying in a profession that you seem to dislike. Get out in the "real" world, and you might see that you don't have it so bad. You might have been happier working on an assembly line without any human interaction.

That being said, best of luck.
,,,and I wish you, luck, my friend. Disregard all Goliad posts. Gol
 
JamieMac said:
I have to admit that I do not have enough knowledge to intelligently correspond with many of your dental related points. However, I will tell you that the ambulance chasers and shady lawyer types are lurking around many professions just waiting for people to screw up - and there are bad consumers/customers/patients in nearly every public profession - and for those who do not deal with the general public, there are shady employees that will fake injuries and jack up your insurance claims, and others that will steal from you - etc. I can tell you that if you have been practicing dentistry for 40+ years, it is likely that you haven't had to experience much of the same in other professions or industry. I've had at least 8+ bogus workers comp claims that caused my insurance to be nearly unaffordable...I've had 3 client companies that claimed bankruptcy over the last two years and screw me out of $90,K…I’ve had recurring employee thefts that are justified because: “he will never notice”…”I deserve more pay”…”screw the owners, they’re rich”. I will tell you that having owned 3 businesses over the course of 10 years; I can submit a boat load of headaches that are associated with almost ANY industry.

I don't intend to offend, but your post sounds both disturbing and extreme. If your post is legitimate, I question whether or not you would be happy doing anything. You sound like someone who may actually be scaring patients away. Also with your brand new shiny ID, I am more inclined to think that this post was meant to be a bad joke. If your post IS real, I think it deserves to be here because all legitimate feedback should be heard. Someone who is bitter about the field has just as much to offer as those revering it. It sounds like your biggest mistake was staying in a profession that you seem to dislike. Get out in the "real" world, and you might see that you don't have it so bad. You might have been happier working on an assembly line without any human interaction.

That being said, best of luck.
,,,,,,please disregard Goliad posts, my friend, and good luck. Gol
 
JamieMac said:
I have to admit that I do not have enough knowledge to intelligently correspond with many of your dental related points. However, I will tell you that the ambulance chasers and shady lawyer types are lurking around many professions just waiting for people to screw up - and there are bad consumers/customers/patients in nearly every public profession - and for those who do not deal with the general public, there are shady employees that will fake injuries and jack up your insurance claims, and others that will steal from you - etc. I can tell you that if you have been practicing dentistry for 40+ years, it is likely that you haven't had to experience much of the same in other professions or industry. I've had at least 8+ bogus workers comp claims that caused my insurance to be nearly unaffordable...I've had 3 client companies that claimed bankruptcy over the last two years and screw me out of $90,K…I’ve had recurring employee thefts that are justified because: “he will never notice”…”I deserve more pay”…”screw the owners, they’re rich”. I will tell you that having owned 3 businesses over the course of 10 years; I can submit a boat load of headaches that are associated with almost ANY industry.

I don't intend to offend, but your post sounds both disturbing and extreme. If your post is legitimate, I question whether or not you would be happy doing anything. You sound like someone who may actually be scaring patients away. Also with your brand new shiny ID, I am more inclined to think that this post was meant to be a bad joke. If your post IS real, I think it deserves to be here because all legitimate feedback should be heard. Someone who is bitter about the field has just as much to offer as those revering it. It sounds like your biggest mistake was staying in a profession that you seem to dislike. Get out in the "real" world, and you might see that you don't have it so bad. You might have been happier working on an assembly line without any human interaction.

That being said, best of luck.
,,,just ignore my posts. Sincerely good luck. Gol
 
JamieMac said:
I have to admit that I do not have enough knowledge to intelligently correspond with many of your dental related points. However, I will tell you that the ambulance chasers and shady lawyer types are lurking around many professions just waiting for people to screw up - and there are bad consumers/customers/patients in nearly every public profession - and for those who do not deal with the general public, there are shady employees that will fake injuries and jack up your insurance claims, and others that will steal from you - etc. I can tell you that if you have been practicing dentistry for 40+ years, it is likely that you haven't had to experience much of the same in other professions or industry. I've had at least 8+ bogus workers comp claims that caused my insurance to be nearly unaffordable...I've had 3 client companies that claimed bankruptcy over the last two years and screw me out of $90,K…I’ve had recurring employee thefts that are justified because: “he will never notice”…”I deserve more pay”…”screw the owners, they’re rich”. I will tell you that having owned 3 businesses over the course of 10 years; I can submit a boat load of headaches that are associated with almost ANY industry.

I don't intend to offend, but your post sounds both disturbing and extreme. If your post is legitimate, I question whether or not you would be happy doing anything. You sound like someone who may actually be scaring patients away. Also with your brand new shiny ID, I am more inclined to think that this post was meant to be a bad joke. If your post IS real, I think it deserves to be here because all legitimate feedback should be heard. Someone who is bitter about the field has just as much to offer as those revering it. It sounds like your biggest mistake was staying in a profession that you seem to dislike. Get out in the "real" world, and you might see that you don't have it so bad. You might have been happier working on an assembly line without any human interaction.

That being said, best of luck.
,,Best of luck to you, and ignore my posts. Sincerely, Gol
 
JamieMac said:
I have to admit that I do not have enough knowledge to intelligently correspond with many of your dental related points. However, I will tell you that the ambulance chasers and shady lawyer types are lurking around many professions just waiting for people to screw up - and there are bad consumers/customers/patients in nearly every public profession - and for those who do not deal with the general public, there are shady employees that will fake injuries and jack up your insurance claims, and others that will steal from you - etc. I can tell you that if you have been practicing dentistry for 40+ years, it is likely that you haven't had to experience much of the same in other professions or industry. I've had at least 8+ bogus workers comp claims that caused my insurance to be nearly unaffordable...I've had 3 client companies that claimed bankruptcy over the last two years and screw me out of $90,K…I’ve had recurring employee thefts that are justified because: “he will never notice”…”I deserve more pay”…”screw the owners, they’re rich”. I will tell you that having owned 3 businesses over the course of 10 years; I can submit a boat load of headaches that are associated with almost ANY industry.

I don't intend to offend, but your post sounds both disturbing and extreme. If your post is legitimate, I question whether or not you would be happy doing anything. You sound like someone who may actually be scaring patients away. Also with your brand new shiny ID, I am more inclined to think that this post was meant to be a bad joke. If your post IS real, I think it deserves to be here because all legitimate feedback should be heard. Someone who is bitter about the field has just as much to offer as those revering it. It sounds like your biggest mistake was staying in a profession that you seem to dislike. Get out in the "real" world, and you might see that you don't have it so bad. You might have been happier working on an assembly line without any human interaction.

That being said, best of luck.
,,Dump the Goliad posts. Best wishes, Gol
 
JamieMac said:
I have to admit that I do not have enough knowledge to intelligently correspond with many of your dental related points. However, I will tell you that the ambulance chasers and shady lawyer types are lurking around many professions just waiting for people to screw up - and there are bad consumers/customers/patients in nearly every public profession - and for those who do not deal with the general public, there are shady employees that will fake injuries and jack up your insurance claims, and others that will steal from you - etc. I can tell you that if you have been practicing dentistry for 40+ years, it is likely that you haven't had to experience much of the same in other professions or industry. I've had at least 8+ bogus workers comp claims that caused my insurance to be nearly unaffordable...I've had 3 client companies that claimed bankruptcy over the last two years and screw me out of $90,K…I’ve had recurring employee thefts that are justified because: “he will never notice”…”I deserve more pay”…”screw the owners, they’re rich”. I will tell you that having owned 3 businesses over the course of 10 years; I can submit a boat load of headaches that are associated with almost ANY industry.

I don't intend to offend, but your post sounds both disturbing and extreme. If your post is legitimate, I question whether or not you would be happy doing anything. You sound like someone who may actually be scaring patients away. Also with your brand new shiny ID, I am more inclined to think that this post was meant to be a bad joke. If your post IS real, I think it deserves to be here because all legitimate feedback should be heard. Someone who is bitter about the field has just as much to offer as those revering it. It sounds like your biggest mistake was staying in a profession that you seem to dislike. Get out in the "real" world, and you might see that you don't have it so bad. You might have been happier working on an assembly line without any human interaction.

That being said, best of luck.
,,,get rid of Goliad posts. Best of luck to you too. Gol
 
golfmontpoker said:
Damn dude... Take a prozac and drink a beer bro, you are obviously to stressed
,,,,no big deal. Just dump Goliad posts. Good luck. Gol
 
JamieMac said:
I have to admit that I do not have enough knowledge to intelligently correspond with many of your dental related points. However, I will tell you that the ambulance chasers and shady lawyer types are lurking around many professions just waiting for people to screw up - and there are bad consumers/customers/patients in nearly every public profession - and for those who do not deal with the general public, there are shady employees that will fake injuries and jack up your insurance claims, and others that will steal from you - etc. I can tell you that if you have been practicing dentistry for 40+ years, it is likely that you haven't had to experience much of the same in other professions or industry. I've had at least 8+ bogus workers comp claims that caused my insurance to be nearly unaffordable...I've had 3 client companies that claimed bankruptcy over the last two years and screw me out of $90,K…I’ve had recurring employee thefts that are justified because: “he will never notice”…”I deserve more pay”…”screw the owners, they’re rich”. I will tell you that having owned 3 businesses over the course of 10 years; I can submit a boat load of headaches that are associated with almost ANY industry.

I don't intend to offend, but your post sounds both disturbing and extreme. If your post is legitimate, I question whether or not you would be happy doing anything. You sound like someone who may actually be scaring patients away. Also with your brand new shiny ID, I am more inclined to think that this post was meant to be a bad joke. If your post IS real, I think it deserves to be here because all legitimate feedback should be heard. Someone who is bitter about the field has just as much to offer as those revering it. It sounds like your biggest mistake was staying in a profession that you seem to dislike. Get out in the "real" world, and you might see that you don't have it so bad. You might have been happier working on an assembly line without any human interaction.

That being said, best of luck.
,,Just disregard Goliad posts. Good luck. Gol
 
JamieMac said:
I have to admit that I do not have enough knowledge to intelligently correspond with many of your dental related points. However, I will tell you that the ambulance chasers and shady lawyer types are lurking around many professions just waiting for people to screw up - and there are bad consumers/customers/patients in nearly every public profession - and for those who do not deal with the general public, there are shady employees that will fake injuries and jack up your insurance claims, and others that will steal from you - etc. I can tell you that if you have been practicing dentistry for 40+ years, it is likely that you haven't had to experience much of the same in other professions or industry. I've had at least 8+ bogus workers comp claims that caused my insurance to be nearly unaffordable...I've had 3 client companies that claimed bankruptcy over the last two years and screw me out of $90,K…I’ve had recurring employee thefts that are justified because: “he will never notice”…”I deserve more pay”…”screw the owners, they’re rich”. I will tell you that having owned 3 businesses over the course of 10 years; I can submit a boat load of headaches that are associated with almost ANY industry.

I don't intend to offend, but your post sounds both disturbing and extreme. If your post is legitimate, I question whether or not you would be happy doing anything. You sound like someone who may actually be scaring patients away. Also with your brand new shiny ID, I am more inclined to think that this post was meant to be a bad joke. If your post IS real, I think it deserves to be here because all legitimate feedback should be heard. Someone who is bitter about the field has just as much to offer as those revering it. It sounds like your biggest mistake was staying in a profession that you seem to dislike. Get out in the "real" world, and you might see that you don't have it so bad. You might have been happier working on an assembly line without any human interaction.

That being said, best of luck.
,,Just disregard Goliad posts. Gol
 
xxxTheDonxxx said:
same here!!! I'm mean from time to time you might have encounter stress, but that's part of everyday's life. Also, who gives a crap about "the real doctors" and "the dentists who can't get into med school", this is what you like then that shouldn't bother you. I'm a current junior and one of my classmates starts with that joke because he was aiming for med school;the funny thing is that his GPA is significantly lower than mine and he's not even smart. My GPA is high enough to get in med, but I've never taken or even thought about taken the MCAT. Any physicians or anybody who start with that joke is no doubt in my mind a shallow and ignorant person. I think destistry is a higly respected and the most rewarding profession, that's why i want to be in it. All in all, if you do what you think is best for you, you should be happy.
,,Bud, just dump Goliad posts. Gol
 
Just ignore, disregard, and dump all Goliad posts. Sincerely, Gol
 
Dr. Dai Phan said:
Hello,

I almost did not want to reply to this post since I thought that it may be a joke. In case it is not, then please read my reply... What you just post in this forum indicated to me by far is the most uneducated, unprofessional and unjustified comment by any professionals I have know in my life time. It is your attitute that gives a bad name to yourself as well as to our profession. It seems to me that you have the most inferiority complex image ever casted on a dentist. Only insecure dentist like yourself have issues with " real doctors " and so forth... Have you ever seen this insecurity in PhDs, JDs ...? You have made obviously a wrong choice for your career and then in turn hates dentistry for it. Perhaps you always wanted to be a "real doctor" and had to settle for dentistry forever imagining yourself as a physician? If so, you are the most confused man I know who entered dentistry for the wrong reason. I suggest you get out of dentistry now before you do more harm to the public as well as to yourself.

Now, my response to the stress of dentistry is this... EVERY single fiels has its own problem. It is a part of life whether you choose medicine,dentistry, optometry or anything you choose. Nothing in life comes without a price. Do I think dentistry is more stressful than other profession? For some it is, for others like myself it is not. Dentistry is an excellent field with income potential and it will get even better. Don't let anybody tells you otherwise. DP
,,just dump the Goliad posts. Gol
 
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